I was wondering about this. Are Christians Gentiles? Are we also Israel, or are we separate. Because I know Christ has one bride. Are we the grafted in ones?
We are the Last Generation =the Fig Tree Generation
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I was wondering about this. Are Christians Gentiles? Are we also Israel, or are we separate. Because I know Christ has one bride. Are we the grafted in ones?
More mindless knee-jerk Dispie nonsense in defense of their anti-Christian poison. Yeah, slap a label on something you don't like and then quote some Bible verses that don't support you, and pretend you've done something you haven't. Sad.
Show us, GISMYS that the nation-state of Israel is the Israel Paul speaks of in Romans 11. Tell me, GISMYS, if gentiles have been grafted on, as described in Romans 11, how are gentiles not Israel?
I'm not speaking tongues, GISMYS. Why don't you understand what I'm saying?
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I just made a correlation of Adam and Eve sewing fig leaves to cover themselves and then God made them coverings of skin.....and Jesus cursed the fig tree.…..and now the fig tree generation....and what you just said I was not aware of but it made me see the whole picture of the fig.
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i wish i could post some support, but i don't even recall how i got this, it is just something that kind of sets in over time or something. Figs are sycamores, sycamore destroyed at ground zero, got me started there...and have you ever touched a sycamore/fig leaf? You would not want it anywhere near your privates lol, very sandpaper
I just made a correlation of Adam and Eve sewing fig leaves to cover themselves and then God made them coverings of skin.....and Jesus cursed the fig tree.…..and now the fig tree generation....and what you just said I was not aware of but it made me see the whole picture of the fig.
i'm not sure infidelity is the right term though, there are also uses that seem to mean "good," and apparently there are two kinds of fig trees, figs and sycamore-figs...
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The fig tree and figs are featured in the Book of Jeremiah and mentioned briefly in the Book of Micah.
Another species of ficus, the Egyptian sycamore fig is occasionally mentioned as well, for example 1 Kings 10:27." Figs in the Bible | Wikiwand
Fig Trees (BiblePlaces.com)
has some interesting stuff too, flowers never seen, i've even heard the "tiny wasps" thing might have significance, dunno
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Dispies lie about everything. In this case, they lie about the meaning of "this generation." dictionary dot com defines "this" as: used to indicate a person, thing, idea, state, event, time, remark, etc., as present, near, just mentioned or pointed out, supposed to be understood, or by way of emphasis.
"This" means that which is present, i.g. Jesus' own generation. Jesus didn't otherwise mention a generation so "just mentioned" doesn't apply.
Some dispies lie and say "generation" refers to the Jewish race. This is also not not the meaning of generation. There's no relevancy for generation to mean the jewish race. And, contrary to the ceaseless lies of dispies, the Jewish race ceased to exist about 70 AD (no one sense about then has genealogies back to Jacob).
Dispies, who lie in all things, also insist Jesus was referring to Israel being restored in 1948 when Jesus made mention of the fig tree. Jesus didn't equate the fig tree with Israel. He mentioned the fig tree to define "at hand", which is not 2000 years, contrary to the claim of Dispy liars -- When the fig tree starts to leaf, you know summer is at hand, explained Jesus. Also, Israel is the church, not a state of Jesus-haters who named their state Israel.
If you have dispies in your church, you should throw them out. What say you GISMYS? You speak falsehoods and when your falsehoods are pointed out, you continue to speak the same falsehoods, proving they're no mistake.
When Israel is redeemed, they the descendants of Jacob/Israel, not only have to repent of their fathers sins, over a period of four ages but also of their own sins of idolatry either early at the beginning of the harvest season of the Millennium Age or the later figs towards the end of the harvest season towards the end of the Millennium Age.
It is not until the very end of the allotted time period of the gentiles trampling the sanctuary of God will Israel repent of their sins when they see their Messiah judging/doing battle with the Kings of the earth that Israel will seek God's/Jesus' terms of peace, i.e. salvation.
Shalom
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Not to my knowledge, unless I missed the Armageddon event this weekend by going away over night, because that is the time when the Gentiles trampling the sanctuary will come to an end, and Paul in Romans 11, tells us that when the Daniel 8's 2,300 years prophecy is completed, that All of Israel will be saved/redeemed.
What is the evidence that someone is in Israel?
When you all Israel will be saved, do you mean just one final generation, or do you mean every generation that has been part of Israel?
Do you agree with Jesus that Jews are of their father the devil?
To put it simply for you, until the Armageddon event occurs, the last generation/age is not in play.
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a spiritual thing, not a literal thing
it's a spiritual thing, not a literal thing wadr
so yes, you missed it, sorry
it's a spiritual thing, not a literal thing wadr
You only answered one of three questions I asked, and that answer is vague. Why didn't you answer the other questions?
You say "All Israel will be saved"is the last generation/age. Which is it, generation or age? Is one generation of Jews "all Israel"?
If "All Israel will be saved" isn't in play yet, why do Dispies love to repeat this phrase, as if it's in play now?
Also, can you tell me what is the evidence that someone is in Israel?
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That's very interesting. Never heard this application before, and it's highly credible in light of Greek usage.
Where did you get it, Enoch, if I might ask?
If I recall correctly the original Scofield Reference Bible had put this forward, and it is probably the best explanation.
It's a common dispie argument, when they're not lying about the meaning of "this", that Jesus meant the Jewish race when he said, "this generation." ("This" means that which is present, not something far away. "This generation" necessarily means Jesus' generation.)
Rule #1, everything Dispies say is a lie.
From "this generation" generation is the Greek word is γενεὰ, used always to mean a generation. "Generation" maybe used sort of as a race (1Pet2:9) is γένος, used to mean a kind. A race is a kind, but race is not at all the inherent meaning in γένος.
Remember rule #1, everything Dispies say is a lie.
Strong's combines γενεὰ and γένος in the same entry. And the definition Strong's provides is "metaphorically, a race of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character." So, γένος doesn't mean race. The word is used metaphorically to mean men who are similar to each other, of the same kind.
Dispies lie about he meaning of "this" and the meaning "generation" in "this generation." They lie about what Strong's says. They lie about the whole conversation Jesus had with his disciples:
The disciples asked when the Temple would be destroyed. Jesus answered before their generation dies off. In fact, the temple was destroyed in 70 AD, before their generation died off. The dispy who redefine "generation" as race would have Jesus answer "Before the Jewish race dies off." That's not an answer. When is that? And, after the "Jewish race" dies off, the Temple would have no relevance, so it wouldn't matter.
Do you still remember rule #1, everything Dispies say is a lie.
Jews aren't a race, in spit of Dispy claims. Jews are people who practice Judaism (the chief and universal doctrine modern so-called Judaism is the rejection of Jesus as Christ). Still, same difference, if there are no Jews, then there's no one to use the Temple.
Contrary the the claims of Dispies, Jews became extinct around 70 AD. Since the Temple's destruction, no one practices Judaism (BTW, Judaism doesn't require a temple.)
If we go with the irrelevant definition of Jew, a physical ancestor of Jacob (or, specifically Jewdah). These Jews are also extinct. Mathematically, practically everyone on the planet today has some of Jacob's blood in them. But, not a single person on the planet can demonstrate Jacob is their ancestor. After the Temple's destruction, all the Jewish genealogies were lost.
Finally, having Jacob as an ancestor doesn't make anyone one of God's people. People have been of God now and through all history only by faith, including in all the Old Testament teaching. All of Dispy doctrine is a lie, of the most satanic nature.
Hidden In Him
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Not even everything Satan says is a lie.
I study Greek, and this is another blanket statement you are basing on little more than blind assumption. No offense, Vexatious, but I stopped reading after that.
P.S. You appear to be aptly named, LoL.
You're amazingly useless for someone who claims to study Greek. Why don't you elaborate? It's not a blanket statement based on a blind assumption. My statement is based on the several dozen times γενεὰ is used in the New Testament. More importantly, where is it ever used to mean race? Thank you for wasting our time, Dispy.
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