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Think of it this way...when you give birth to a child, that child is going to show signs of you and your spouse's genetic dna. If you and your spouse are both blue eyed blondes, there's a pretty good chance the baby will also be a blue eyed blonde. If your family has a genetic propensity for, say, diabetes, your child will be at greater risk for this disease than the child of parents who have no genetic risk for this disease.
In other words, the child will be very similar, at least in his body type and in his overall looks, to one or both of his parents.
If both parents are super intelligent, there's a fair chance the kid will be, too, or if both parents are retarded, the child will probably also have that disability.

In the same way, someone who is born of God will "inherit" His (that is, Christ's) character. Of course, he is just a baby in Christ, and he still has his old sin nature that he inherited from his human parents....but given time, that Christ-character will mature and grow....IF it is properly nourished, that is. Eventually, he will be weaned from his milk, and go on to be able to digest real meat.
But a baby cannot grow and mature without the guidance of his parent...in this case, God. And God will discipline every child of His. If that child sins, he will feel the rod of discipline well applied to the seat of his understanding...metaphorically speaking, of course. He will understand, after being soundly "spanked", that he cannot sin, and still expect to go to Heaven....
 

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The Barrd said:
Think of it this way...when you give birth to a child, that child is going to show signs of you and your spouse's genetic dna. If you and your spouse are both blue eyed blondes, there's a pretty good chance the baby will also be a blue eyed blonde. If your family has a genetic propensity for, say, diabetes, your child will be at greater risk for this disease than the child of parents who have no genetic risk for this disease.
In other words, the child will be very similar, at least in his body type and in his overall looks, to one or both of his parents.
If both parents are super intelligent, there's a fair chance the kid will be, too, or if both parents are retarded, the child will probably also have that disability.

In the same way, someone who is born of God will "inherit" His (that is, Christ's) character. Of course, he is just a baby in Christ, and he still has his old sin nature that he inherited from his human parents....but given time, that Christ-character will mature and grow....IF it is properly nourished, that is. Eventually, he will be weaned from his milk, and go on to be able to digest real meat.
But a baby cannot grow and mature without the guidance of his parent...in this case, God. And God will discipline every child of His. If that child sins, he will feel the rod of discipline well applied to the seat of his understanding...metaphorically speaking, of course. He will understand, after being soundly "spanked", that he cannot sin, and still expect to go to Heaven....
Would you like to know how to become an overcomer Barrd.
 

Barrd

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ATP said:
Would you like to know how to become an overcomer Barrd.
ATP, I've already had my own trip to the woodshed. I know that I cannot sin and still expect to go to heaven. (EDIT) That is I know that if I should "mess up" again, I will need to repent and turn from that sin.

But why don't you go ahead and explain it to me anyway. I'm listening...
 

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ATP, I've already had my own trip to the woodshed. I know that I cannot sin and still expect to go to heaven.

But why don't you go ahead and explain it to me anyway. I'm listening...
Rom 10:9-10 NIV If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
 

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justaname said:
Name the post where where I refused to accept Jesus' command of being faithful please.

Also if you refuse to answer my questions why am I obligated to answer yours?
No, Justaname, you have not said that you refuse to accept Jesus' command. That is true.

Are you playing "devil's advocate" then? Just curious...
 

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Rom 10:9-10 NIV If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
That's a terrific verse, ATP. Yes, it is.
But it isn't the only verse in the Bible. There are many, many others. We've talked about this, and I've watched you tapdance your way around all sorts of those precious verses. You're very, very good at it.
But in the end, you're only fooling yourself. The idea that you can rape, and murder....commit all sorts of gross and vulgar sins, do it deliberately and with "malice aforethought" as it were, never bother to repent at all, or even feel a lick of remorse, and still go to live in Heaven is an obvious lie. I'll be dog-gone if I can figure out how a fairly intelligent man (you are a man, I take it?) can fall for such a blatant lie. I just do not understand it at all....
 

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I don't see myself as a teacher at all. I see myself as an author.
The nickname "Bard of Angels" was given to me by a group of Christian writers on another website. I was and am rather pleased with it, and I have kept it and use it as my pen name...except that I have doubled the "r" in honor of my Welsh mother.

Here is a very small sample:


FAITH

Tossed upon my mind’s oceans
Burning with my deepest emotions
Ridden with my guilts and fears
Watered with my bitter tears
Teaching me trust in a world of deceit
Teaching me to be gentle and meek
Showing me love in world filled with hate
Showing me grace that has opened the gate
Building on my heart’s tenderness
Filling me with wild happiness
Oh, with what joy my soul has received!
I know in Whom I have believed.

I have literally reams of this kind of poetry, several short stories, and one two part novel, and I am currently working on my second novel...whenever I'm not wasting time playing on the internet.
You can find some of this stuff on Amazon under "Deborah Anne Barrd".

As I say....I am a writer, not a teacher. My prayer is that I might bring people closer to God through the words He has given me.
 

Barrd

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Bible_Gazer said:
It is referring to their salvation he told them to repent.
That church belong to Jesus and he threaten to leave them.

When ever a person except Jesus into their life, do you think Jesus's intention in his words is that they will serve him the rest of their life with a
honest true heart and go all the way in obeying in righteousness to be an overcomer ?
Then they would have eternal life abiding within them forever from the start.
Then those scriptures you gave would be right for those he gives eternal life to, a believer that believe what he says to do is included in their belief.


I believe in once save always save as long as they stay in righteousness.
"as long as they stay in righteousness"...
Now, that, I can agree with.
 

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Justaname, I'm not going to argue with you about whether or not I am a teacher. I am what I am...if you see me as a self-proclaimed teacher, so be it. If you think that what I am expressing here are just my opinions, that's just fine.
Like I said, you do not have to listen to me. You can just brush me aside as another old crackpot who doesn't have a clue what she's talking about. I won't lose any sleep over it.

But I will continue to say, with my dying breath...you must repent. You will not get into heaven if you deliberately sin, believing yourself to have everlasting life just because you made a claim to believe in Jesus Christ. If you truly did believe in Jesus Christ, you would believe the words He said to you...not just the ones you liked, but all of them. You would, for instance, love your enemies...yes, all of them. You would give to those who asked you, without expecting anything in return. You would obey His commands, because He said "if you love Me, obey My commands." And if...or no, I should say when...when you mess up...because we all "mess up"....it will make you sad because you disappointed Him, and you will repent. If you will not repent, you are showing that you really do not love Him at all....what you love is your flesh.

Is that just my opinion? If you say so. Or, in His words- "thou sayest"

By the way, I'm not saying that Justaname does or doesn't do these things. I don't know you any more than you know me. For all I know, you may be a very devout Christian.
You may be like that publican who would not raise so much as his eyes toward heaven, but who beat on his breast, crying "God be merciful to me, a sinner".
I hope that is true, for then, you will go down justified to your place.
Now here is a humble post I can respect...

Let me encourage you to express your opinions and interpretations of Scripture! Honestly I believe we will agree more than disagree, but if we do disagree let iron sharpen iron.



The Barrd said:
No, Justaname, you have not said that you refuse to accept Jesus' command. That is true.

Are you playing "devil's advocate" then? Just curious...

No it is just the language I disagree with in the OP...

You see I believe we are born again as described by Jesus' teaching in the Bible...

5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 “Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’
8 “The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”


13 “No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.
14 “As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up;
15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.
16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His conly begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
17 “For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
18 “He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


This is the teaching of being born again...I can unpack the interpretation if you like...

And for the record I do not like the language of OSAS either...

The Bible teaches we are saved (past tense) and that we are being saved (ongoing or present), yet it also teaches that our salvation is passive meaning God is doing the saving not that we are saving ourselves. So to say once saved always saved is misleading.

Yet from God's perspective all those He is saving will be saved, and He will not lose one. God's vision is not hindered through time as He is eternal. He knows all that will be saved, so from this perspective no one will lose their salvation.

We on the other hand see things linear through time. We do not know who will endure to the end. For us those who keep or obey the commands evidence the salvation that God is preforming in them.

From my studies of the Bible I do not see any other requirement for salvation other than faith. Yet as I study what it is to have faith, it is coupled with the work of love. And as we know Jesus teaches those who love Him will keep His commands. The commands are clearly and plainly spelled out in 1John as: Believe in the Name of the Son of God, Jesus, and love one another.

As you can see from my signature I admire the greatest and second commands, Love God, Love Others...in these as taught by Jesus are the whole of the Law and prophets...these are the commands I seek daily to fulfill.

So then it is not easy beliefism or a concoction of magic words that will cause us to endure, yet it is the hard task of faith coupled with love. Truly only an act of God will produce salvation. Faith involves trust. Faith involves repentance of the old way of thinking that you have to be good enough. Faith involves believing Jesus actually purchased you through His shed blood. Faith involves understanding Jesus took upon Himself the penalty you deserve.

As the Scripture says, He who believes in Him is not judged.

John 5:24
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

I pray you believe this...

We are not required to be good enough because we can not be, yet why would anyone be confident of their faith if they do not love as commanded to. Without the evidence of love, their faith is dead. Yet with the evidence of love we can have confidence...

1John 3:14
We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death.

I pray you believe this...

In the Love of Christ,
Justaname
 

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justaname said:
Now here is a humble post I can respect...

Let me encourage you to express your opinions and interpretations of Scripture! Honestly I believe we will agree more than disagree, but if we do disagree let iron sharpen iron.





No it is just the language I disagree with in the OP...

You see I believe we are born again as described by Jesus' teaching in the Bible...

5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 “Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’
8 “The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”


13 “No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.
14 “As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up;
15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.
16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His conly begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
17 “For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
18 “He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


This is the teaching of being born again...I can unpack the interpretation if you like...

And for the record I do not like the language of OSAS either...

The Bible teaches we are saved (past tense) and that we are being saved (ongoing or present), yet it also teaches that our salvation is passive meaning God is doing the saving not that we are saving ourselves. So to say once saved always saved is misleading.

Yet from God's perspective all those He is saving will be saved, and He will not lose one. God's vision is not hindered through time as He is eternal. He knows all that will be saved, so from this perspective no one will lose their salvation.

We on the other hand see things linear through time. We do not know who will endure to the end. For us those who keep or obey the commands evidence the salvation that God is preforming in them.

From my studies of the Bible I do not see any other requirement for salvation other than faith. Yet as I study what it is to have faith, it is coupled with the work of love. And as we know Jesus teaches those who love Him will keep His commands. The commands are clearly and plainly spelled out in 1John as: Believe in the Name of the Son of God, Jesus, and love one another.

As you can see from my signature I admire the greatest and second commands, Love God, Love Others...in these as taught by Jesus are the whole of the Law and prophets...these are the commands I seek daily to fulfill.

So then it is not easy beliefism or a concoction of magic words that will cause us to endure, yet it is the hard task of faith coupled with love. Truly only an act of God will produce salvation. Faith involves trust. Faith involves repentance of the old way of thinking that you have to be good enough. Faith involves believing Jesus actually purchased you through His shed blood. Faith involves understanding Jesus took upon Himself the penalty you deserve.

As the Scripture says, He who believes in Him is not judged.

John 5:24
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

I pray you believe this...

We are not required to be good enough because we can not be, yet why would anyone be confident of their faith if they do not love as commanded to. Without the evidence of love, their faith is dead. Yet with the evidence of love we can have confidence...

1John 3:14
We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death.

I pray you believe this...

In the Love of Christ,
Justaname
Yes, Justaname...I think we agree more than we disagree.
Christianity...truly following Jesus Christ...is all about love.
Think of it this way...
He says to us "Take my burden upon you, for my yoke is easy, and my burden light".
What is His yoke?
That we love one another.
What is His burden?
As He has also loved us.

It's after midnight here.
Good night, everyone!
^_^
 

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Joyful said:
Do you know how to overcome the world?
Yes, by believing in the one that overcame the world for me.

John 16:33 NIV "I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."

Rom 10:9-10 NIV If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

1 John 5:4-5 NIV for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

The Barrd said:
But in the end, you're only fooling yourself. The idea that you can rape, and murder....commit all sorts of gross and vulgar sins, do it deliberately and with "malice aforethought" as it were, never bother to repent at all, or even feel a lick of remorse, and still go to live in Heaven is an obvious lie.
But in the end, the Word of God is eternal and will never change. If you are truly saved by grace you will understand eternity. This is an issue that you would have to bring to God. Believing that Jesus died for all your sins and then rose again is hard, I understand. Do you understand that Jesus died for past, present and future sins. YOUR sins Barrd. Blessed are you whose sins are covered and will never count against them Barrd Rom 4:7-8. Most people will not accept a love like that because they can't bring themselves to believe Jesus did this.

John 1:29 NIV The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Acts 10:43 NIV All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."

Acts 13:38-39 NIV "Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. 39 Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.

Rom 4:7-8 NIV “Blessed are those whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. 8Blessed is the one whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”

Rom 6:10 NIV The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

1 Cor 15:3 NIV For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,

2 Cor 5:14-15 NIV For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. 15 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.

Gal 1:3-4 NIV Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father,

Gal 2:19-20 NIV For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Col 1:13-14 NIV For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Col 2:13-15 NIV When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

Heb 7:27 NIV Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.

Heb 10:10-12 NIV And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God.

1 John 2:2 NIV He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 John 2:12 NIV I am writing to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of his name.

Rev 1:4-5 NIV John, To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood,
 

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ATP said:
That's actually not how scripture defines "overcomer". Overcoming is through belief only..

1 John 5:4-5 NIV for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
Are you holy when you be believe only ?
A complete overcomer is holy and righteous.

Revelation states it this way. " he that overcometh " will I give
This is stating if you do overcome.
He is not saying you are an overcomer by believing.
Its a process .
 

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Are you holy when you be believe only ?
A complete overcomer is holy and righteous.

Revelation states it this way. " he that overcometh " will I give
This is stating if you do overcome.
He is not saying you are an overcomer by believing.
Its a process .
Incorrect, we are only made holy by believing. It is only because of Him that we are holy 1 Cor 1:30 NIV, 2 Tim 1:9 NIV. Our righteousness is but filthy rags. Sanctification is the process, but believing only comes once Rom 3:22 NIV, Rom 4:3 NIV, Rom 4:24 NIV, Rom 10:4 NIV.

Isa 64:6 NIV All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

Matt 6:1 NIV “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

Matt 23:25-26 NIV “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

Matt 23:27-28 NIV “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

Luke 18:19 NIV "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

Rom 3:9-20 NIV What shall we conclude then? Are we any better ? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. 10 As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one; 11 there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. 12 All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one." 13 "Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit." "The poison of vipers is on their lips." 14 "Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness." 15 "Their feet are swift to shed blood; 16 ruin and misery mark their ways, 17 and the way of peace they do not know." 18 "There is no fear of God before their eyes." 19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.

Rom 3:21-31 NIV But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished-- 26 he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. 27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. 28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. 29 Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

Rom 4:3-11 NIV What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." 4 Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: 7 "Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him." 9 Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness. 10 Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them.

Rom 4:22-24 NIV This is why "it was credited to him as righteousness." 23 The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone, 24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness--for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

Rom 5:17-21 NIV For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ. 18 Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. 20 The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 6:16-20 NIV Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness. 19 I put this in human terms because you are weak in your natural selves. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness. 20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness.

Rom 8:9-11 NIV You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 11And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

Rom 9:30-33 NIV What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. 32 Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the "stumbling stone." 33 As it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."

Rom 10:3-4 NIV Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

1 Cor 1:30 NIV It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God--that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.

1 Cor 8:1 NIV Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.

Gal 2:21 NIV I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

Gal 3:6-7 NIV Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." 7 Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham.

2 Tim 1:9 NIV He has saved us and called us to a holy life--not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time,

Titus 3:5 NIV he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
 

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...following a Jewish carpenter...
If you believe in Him, you will believe His words.
If you believe in Him, you will love Him.
If you love Him, you will be made sad when you sin, because you will have disappointed Him, and you will repent.
You will not see Heaven if you deliberately sin and will not repent. If you can live with deliberate sin in your life, you obviously don't love Him.
If you don't love Him, you don't believe in Him.

OSAS is only true if you respond to Jesus' love with love of your own...

It's not rocket science.
 

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The Barrd said:
If you believe in Him, you will believe His words.
If you believe in Him, you will love Him.
If you love Him, you will be made sad when you sin, because you will have disappointed Him, and you will repent.
You will not see Heaven if you deliberately sin and will not repent. If you can live with deliberate sin in your life, you obviously don't love Him.
If you don't love Him, you don't believe in Him.

OSAS is only true if you respond to Jesus' love with love of your own...

It's not rocket science.
Yea, rocket science is easy. You can keep launching rockets till you get it right, but you only have one life.

How does it work practically, and why is it that those who love Jesus do what he says? There can be many obstacles to overcome in order to conform to his will. Is that scripture helpful other than to reinforce the understanding that you must overcome?