Were angels ever people?
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Does the fact that we judge angels make us higher than angels? If you go to court, is the judge higher than you?
Deborah_
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Rockerduck
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Yes we shall judge angels and the world.
1 Corinthians 6:2-4 - Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
1 Corinthians 6:2-4 - Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
Aunty Jane
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It seems to be a given that “we” in that statement, (1 Cor 6:2-4) means all Christians……yet not all Christians will go to heaven….the majority will enjoy everlasting life here on earth as God first intended. The “we” in that scripture is “the elect”…the “chosen ones” who will rule the “new earth”……not a new planet but a cleansed earth, starting afresh with the “new heavens” ruling over us. (2 Peter 3:13) Every vestige of the world as it stands today under satan’s rulership, will have “passed away.…leaving only those have obeyed Christ’s teachings to the letter.
Revelation 21:3-4….
“With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
It was never God’s intention to take humans to heaven because he created us to live forever on a lovingly prepared earth. Those chosen to rule with Christ in heaven will be “higher than the angels” because they will rule as kings and priests. (Rev 20:6) The angels, like their earthly ‘brothers’, are servants of God, not rulers.
No. The body dies. The soul is the record of your life. The spirit (angel) rises and stands for judgment and the books are opened (those soul records). The angel is judged based upon your life-- the life that angel guided and was "married to" -- in this way 'you' judge angels.
Rockerduck
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Born again from above Christians do not turn into angels, period. Nothing in the bible says so.
Aunty Jane
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Where will I find any of that in the Bible?
The body dies because of Adam’s sin…..death was not inevitable, as there is no ‘natural’ cause of death mentioned to Adam and his wife….death was a penalty for disobedience, so if they had not disobeyed, they never would have died. Access to the “tree of life” meant living forever on earth as God intended. (Gen 3:22-24)
This life is not some sort of training ground for heaven. God already has a large spiritual family of sons there. Earth was lovingly prepared for us.
As for the resurrection, the Bible states that there are two different ones….a “first resurrection” for those of the elect, chosen to rule with Christ in heaven, (Rev 20:6) and a general resurrection for those who will live n earth as God intended. (John 5:28-29)
Angels are servants of God and these spirit beings have the capacity to serve God in both realms. Angels materialized and brought messages to God’s earthly servants in times past. When they appeared to humans they had human form. The angel Gabriel for example brought a message to Daniel some 500 years before he appeared to Mary to inform her of the future birth of Jesus. Both times he appeared in human form.
The angels that came to Abraham to tell him of the birth of his son also appeared in human form, and Abraham entertained with with a feast, at which they ate and drank. They went on to Sodom to rescue Lot and his family before the destruction of that immoral city and its sister city Gomorrah. (Genesis 18)
Angels have never been Adamic beings, (born in the human way) but had the ability to materialize and dematerialize human form at will.
I think you have invented your own scenario here….as there is no scriptural backing for your claims.
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Are you suggesting beings that are made of the earth, earthy as Paul puts it - creatures of flesh and blood were immortal in nature?
Have you thought that through Jane?
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Ronald David Bruno
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Never really got why we would be judging angels? Angels do everything right, they take orders from God and perform them. They don't sin.
Now fallen angels (demons, along withe Satan) will be thrown into the Lake of Fire and destroyed. So we wouldn't be judging them, they are already judged and condemned. ??
Ronald David Bruno
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Ronald David Bruno
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The spirit is spirit. It is not mortal. The flesh is mortal-- the part that dies. When the flesh dies, the spirit returns to God from where it came.
They don't sin, but in this world, that makes them a target, doesn't it?
References include literal interpretation of Jeremiah 1:5. There’s also no Bible verse that says anything to the contrary like “no part of a newborn baby existed a year before”.
We could go back and forth ping-ponging references, but honestly I don’t find that helpful for anyone.
That's like asking- what is the difference between sitting and riding?
You can sit in a car, or ride in a car-- and while in both instances you are actually sitting, one implies more. Motion. Action. So too with horses. Is there a difference between sitting on a horse, and riding a horse? Of course. Of course.
And it's the same principle you could apply to your question. A spirit is a spirit and an angel is a spirit, but the term angel implies something more. A spiritual being references the nature of that being, which of course, is spiritual (divine) in nature just as a physical being is physical (mortal) in nature. To be an angel, however- implies more. Motion. Action. An angel is a messenger, a sent one, a swift one.... it's the difference between sitting and riding.
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