what about transgender ? what if you were born as transgender

[MatthewG]

Engaging in homosexual or transgender behavior is sinful. However, I do believe that for many, it is unavoidable. As Paul described (see below), God has consigned ALL of us to sin. We all sin, just not necessarily in the same ways. I don't condemn or hate people who engage in homosexual/transgender lifestyles just like I don't condemn or hate people who are constant drunkards, gluttons, or idolators. What much of the world wants, of course, is for everybody to say that engaging in homosexual/transgender behavior is perfectly fine, which it definitely is NOT fine.


Romans 11:30-32
30For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may nowe receive mercy. 32For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

Praise God. I agree.

This right here reminds of how, we reap what we sow here now, and that is its reward. If we sow to the merits of heavenly, that is where our reward will be given at.

Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

Good words NotTheRock.

 

[Christian Soldier]

of course our glorified bodies will be perfect but what about now . do you support trans ?

If I was born as transgender, I would ask God to end my life so I can be born again according to Gods design. He made them, man and woman.

 

[quietthinker]

Human beings are a sorry mess. They are damaged, psychologically, emotionally, spiritually and physically.....and one points the finger at the other as if they were immune from any deficit.
The good news is we have a Saviour. A Saviour does for you what you cannot do for yourself.
Carry one another's burdens the scripture tells us. I hear that saying, do not point the finger but behave towards the other as God in Jesus behaves towards me.

 

[St. SteVen]

Human beings are a sorry mess. They are damaged, psychologically, emotionally, spiritually and physically.....and one points the finger at the other as if they were immune from any deficit.
The good news is we have a Saviour. A Saviour does for you what you cannot do for yourself.
Carry one another's burdens the scripture tells us. I hear that saying, do not point the finger but behave towards the other as God in Jesus behaves towards me.

Wow. Great post.
That's solid gold right there.

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[St. SteVen]

Engaging in homosexual or transgender behavior is sinful.

What do you consider "transgender behavior"?
And how do you conclude that it is sinful?

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[NotTheRock]

If I was born as transgender, I would ask God to end my life so I can be born again according to Gods design. He made them, man and woman.

Should a disabled person ask the same? Maybe we're supposed to try and be thankful for what we have and to follow and praise God for giving it to us. And perhaps we're supposed to learn from our own shortcomings as opposed to having everything given to us on a silver platter. Maybe we're supposed to overcome the things of this world and to learn to trust in and follow Jesus.

 

[quietthinker]

Should a disabled person ask the same? Maybe we're supposed to try and be thankful for what we have and to follow and praise God for giving it to us. And perhaps we're supposed to learn from our own shortcomings as opposed to having everything given to us on a silver platter. Maybe we're supposed to overcome the things of this world and to learn to trust in and follow Jesus.

We have a Saviour, we don't need maybe's as if we have something better to offer. Our maybes and perhaps's are failures and we know it. We are to cast ourselves wholly on God's grace and that boldly because (have we forgotten) ...we have a Saviour.....ie, not a maybe Saviour or a perhaps Saviour but one who shattered the fetters of death for us. We can trust this Saviour as the storm of dysfunction rages around and within us.....yes, we can rely on 'I will never leave you or forsake you.

 

[stredaleve]

Romans 1:21-25
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator —who is forever praised. Amen.

Romans 1:26-27
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Romans 1:28-32
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

What if you were born as LGBT? Sorry, but that is not a question I can answer as I am not a member of the LGBT community.

 

[Sheila3]

From what I've learned some women, more than we think are born with the XY chromosomes _ who generally has high levels of male testosterone _ who generally cannot have children - lack of ovaries or uterus and possibility of a testicle. Not all women with the y chromosome display male characteristics or desires - some do, some don't.

Swyer Syndrome

People with Swyer syndrome have XY (male) chromosomes and have functional female genitalia. Learn more about living with Swyer syndrome.

my.clevelandclinic.org

News: 'Gay genes': science is on the right... (The Guardian) - Behind the headlines - NLM

(The Guardian) 'Gay genes': science is on the right track, we're born this way. Let’s deal with it.. Associated research findings from the National Library of Medicine.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

What do the new ‘gay genes’ tell us about sexual orientation?

Two gene variants have been found to be more common in gay men, adding to mounting evidence that sexual orientation is at least partly biologically determined. How does this change what we already knew? Didn’t we already know there were “gay genes”? We have known for decades that sexual...

www.newscientist.com

Study show that there is a strong possibility that some are born - while a great many choose to....... genetic manipulation by the devil ( whether soon after creation, or only continual basis ) The Lord said a thief stuck in, in the night and sowed tares among his wheat but he will let them grow together and then reap and separate the wheat from the tares.
Are we as humans tend to give in to our own desires even those of us who believe in Scripture. At one point an LBGTQ person would fight against their desires - but no longer - now regardless of what the Bible says they feel that God created them that way and God accepts them that way. With the mind that I have now I would fight my desires if I was born a LBGTQ person.

Since the 1960s more males and females have been identifying as transgender / LBGTQ.
Is this a part of the prophecy is written in Scripture? As it was in the days of Lot? It is now legal in over 7 countries for same-sex marriage.

The restoration of the cities of Israel which is believed to have occurred in 1967 - (1960s again)..https://www.oneforisrael.org/israel/miraculous-restoration-jerusalem-1967/

The microchip invented in 1959 first used in the 1960s (1960s again) (the microchip is ideal to use as an implant to initiate the mark of the beast).

The microchip implants that let you pay with your hand

You can now get a payment chip injected beneath your skin, turning you into a human bank card.

www.bbc.com

https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/3817029-human-microchip-implants-take-center-stage/

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Should a disabled person ask the same? Maybe we're supposed to try and be thankful for what we have and to follow and praise God for giving it to us. And perhaps we're supposed to learn from our own shortcomings as opposed to having everything given to us on a silver platter. Maybe we're supposed to overcome the things of this world and to learn to trust in and follow Jesus.

is transgenderism a disability?

I am not sure I would put them both on the same mold.


one is physically limited due to a disability

the other is not.

 

[NotTheRock]

one is physically limited due to a disability

the other is not.

You're missing the point.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You're missing the point.

Not realy.

Its not apples to apples. its apples to oranges.

Many people who were gay, or transgender have come to Christ and realised their mistake. sadly many have went through these operations and now have to suffer that for the rest of their life because the idiot doctors instead of treating their mental illness. tried to treat their supposed physical illness 9whcih they did not have) and destroyed their lives.

many of them will not live a full life because of the damage done. and they will most likely die prematurely before they needed to.

a person who is physically handicapped.. Now they can possibly be healed as new technology comes.. And yes, i would pray for them as well.

But not in the same way. because they are diametrically apposed to each other in what they need.

 

[NotTheRock]

These types of threads

Not realy.

Its not apples to apples. its apples to oranges.

Many people who were gay, or transgender have come to Christ and realised their mistake. sadly many have went through these operations and now have to suffer that for the rest of their life because the idiot doctors instead of treating their mental illness. tried to treat their supposed physical illness 9whcih they did not have) and destroyed their lives.

many of them will not live a full life because of the damage done. and they will most likely die prematurely before they needed to.

a person who is physically handicapped.. Now they can possibly be healed as new technology comes.. And yes, i would pray for them as well.

But not in the same way. because they are diametrically apposed to each other in what they need.

Yes, you missed the point ENTIRELY. However, as you are so sure of your infallibility, I will refrain from ever again attempting to explain anything to you.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

These types of threads


Yes, you missed the point ENTIRELY. However, as you are so sure of your infallibility, I will refrain from ever again attempting to explain anything to you.

lol

its ok.. I would not take anything from you as any type of knowledge, especially in this context. so there is nothing you could say that would be of any value to me..

I like to look at reality. Not fantasy.. but move on

 

[Jack]

"what if you were born as transgender?"

Seriously?

 

[NotTheRock]

To me the biggest issue with Christian message boards is that people want to win arguments. That's why, by and large, I avoid such discussions and should have done so with this discussion.

Proverbs 20:3
It is an honor for a man to keep aloof from strife, but every fool will be quarreling.

 

[quietthinker]

From what I've learned some women, more than we think are born with the XY chromosomes _ who generally has high levels of male testosterone _ who generally cannot have children - lack of ovaries or uterus and possibility of a testicle. Not all women with the y chromosome display male characteristics or desires - some do, some don't.

Swyer Syndrome

People with Swyer syndrome have XY (male) chromosomes and have functional female genitalia. Learn more about living with Swyer syndrome.

my.clevelandclinic.org

News: 'Gay genes': science is on the right... (The Guardian) - Behind the headlines - NLM

(The Guardian) 'Gay genes': science is on the right track, we're born this way. Let’s deal with it.. Associated research findings from the National Library of Medicine.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

What do the new ‘gay genes’ tell us about sexual orientation?

Two gene variants have been found to be more common in gay men, adding to mounting evidence that sexual orientation is at least partly biologically determined. How does this change what we already knew? Didn’t we already know there were “gay genes”? We have known for decades that sexual...

www.newscientist.com

Study show that there is a strong possibility that some are born - while a great many choose to....... genetic manipulation by the devil ( whether soon after creation, or only continual basis ) The Lord said a thief stuck in, in the night and sowed tares among his wheat but he will let them grow together and then reap and separate the wheat from the tares.
Are we as humans tend to give in to our own desires even those of us who believe in Scripture. At one point an LBGTQ person would fight against their desires - but no longer - now regardless of what the Bible says they feel that God created them that way and God accepts them that way. With the mind that I have now I would fight my desires if I was born a LBGTQ person.

Since the 1960s more males and females have been identifying as transgender / LBGTQ.
Is this a part of the prophecy is written in Scripture? As it was in the days of Lot? It is now legal in over 7 countries for same-sex marriage.

The restoration of the cities of Israel which is believed to have occurred in 1967 - (1960s again)..https://www.oneforisrael.org/israel/miraculous-restoration-jerusalem-1967/

The microchip invented in 1959 first used in the 1960s (1960s again) (the microchip is ideal to use as an implant to initiate the mark of the beast).

The microchip implants that let you pay with your hand

You can now get a payment chip injected beneath your skin, turning you into a human bank card.

www.bbc.com

https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/3817029-human-microchip-implants-take-center-stage/

Have you considered that the mark of the beast is the reliance and the assumptions which exclude relationship with Jesus?

 

[St. SteVen]

Have you considered that the mark of the beast is the reliance and the assumptions which exclude relationship with Jesus?

That's interesting. How did you arrive at that conclusion?
What would the mark of the beast be in practical terms?

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[Christian Soldier]

Should a disabled person ask the same? Maybe we're supposed to try and be thankful for what we have and to follow and praise God for giving it to us. And perhaps we're supposed to learn from our own shortcomings as opposed to having everything given to us on a silver platter. Maybe we're supposed to overcome the things of this world and to learn to trust in and follow Jesus.

You can't compare people who were born with a disability to people who chose to go against their nature and identify as something else. The disabled person has no choice in the matter but the person who changes their identity made that choice, so there's no comparison.

 

[NotTheRock]

to people who chose to go against their nature

Is a mental/spiritual handicap any less disabling than a physical one? How do you make the judgment that someone is "going against" their nature? How do you know that the person in question isn't suffering from overwhelming and overpowering demonic oppression that has deceived, confused, and mislead them into believing that they were "born in the wrong body" and are behaving "naturally"? You cannot render a judgment that they are making a conscious decision to "go against their nature" because you don't know their situation; only God knows.

Maybe God is allowing them to be tormented to the extreme and to be lost for a period of time as a part of their preparation for God's Kingdom in the hereafter.

The Bible says that engaging in transgender lifestyles is contrary to God's wishes. Scriptures can be shared with others so that they can see for themselves what God's position is on the matter. We are not qualified, however, to render judgments.