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Historicism is "Partial Preterism" and you know this well as you distract from this truth
Dispensationalism denies any fulfillment of Matthew 24.
I deny any fulfillment in Matthew chapter 24, I also deny a pre-trib rapture and millennial kingdomDispensationalism denies any fulfillment of Matthew 24.
You deny any fulfillment of Matthew 24.
You're a dispensationalist.
Thank you Marks. I do happen to believe that the "elect" are all people who follow the teachings of Christ. If we see this as only for the Jews then, we have to look at all the other gospels as being only for the Jews too. There were as I'm sure you know, other Gentiles who were saved before the cross too.
Yes, gentiles were saved by becoming a part of Israel. And there is Jesus, "I was sent to the lost sheep of Israel".
Actually, I think the grafting in refers to the gentiles being grafted into Abraham, wild branches, to join the natural branches, the Israelites. One new man, neither Greek nor Jew.
1 thes 4
Partial preterism sees most of the Olivet Discourse and book of Revelation as being fulfilled around 70 AD while historicism sees the Olivet Discourse and Revelation as being filled throughout history over time. So, they are not the same. Saying they are the same is like saying pre-trib dispensationalism and post-trib historic premillennialism are the same. You are very naive when it comes to understanding the different labels for the various end times views.
No, He did not. That is utter nonsense. And you are completely incapable of supporting that claim, which is why you don't even attempt to do so.
Were Jesus and His disciples literally physically at the temple, as Matthew 24:1 describes?
I do not remember where I found this concise article showing the scriptures that IMHO disprove the PTR. I too was, for a couple of decades was also a proponent of it, and sadly taught others in it
"Why I no longer believe in a pretrib rapture...it isn't biblical:
Many people stop believing in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture (Pre-Trib) by seeing that scripture points to one return of Jesus, not two (Rapture then Second Coming), often citing that verses about the "last trumpet" (1 Cor 15:52) and meeting Christ in the air (1 Thess 4:17) describe the end of the tribulation, not before, with passages like Matthew 24 and Revelation 20 suggesting the resurrection and gathering of believers happens after tribulation, with the "falling away" (2 Thess 2:3) and revealing of the Antichrist happening before the Day of the Lord, meaning Christians will face the Great Tribulation as the "first resurrection" (Rev 20:5) is post-tribulation, challenging the idea of an imminent, secret escape before it. Here are key scripture-based reasons: One Return, Not Two: The Bible describes one single, visible return of Christ, not a secret rapture followed by a public second coming seven years later. Matthew 24:29-31: Says the coming of the Son of Man happens immediately after the tribulation, with the gathering of the elect. Revelation 20:5: Calls the resurrection of believers "the first resurrection," implying it occurs after the tribulation mentioned in the preceding chapters, not before. The Falling Away & Man of Sin: Scripture links the coming of the Lord with specific events that must happen first. 2 Thessalonians 2:3: "That day will not come unless the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction". This suggests the Antichrist must appear before the Day of the Lord. The Trumpet & Resurrection: The "last trumpet" and the gathering in the air are seen as happening at the end. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52: "In a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed". 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17: The voice, archangel, and trumpet sound as the Lord descends, bringing the dead with Him, consistent with a post-tribulation return, not a secret, pre-trib event. The "Taken" & "Left" in Matthew/Luke: These passages are often interpreted as the wicked being "taken" to judgment and believers "left" to face the coming King, the opposite of the Pre-Trib view. No Separate "Wrath" for Saints: The Bible teaches believers will go through the tribulation, enduring its hardships, rather than being removed from it, as seen in Revelation's seals and the warnings to persevere."
Now, I have many friends and family members who are huge proponents of the PTR and I love all of them dearly. My only objection is that those they teach this to (esp. their children) could be teaching them in error. What is so hard about looking at the other side of things and praying about what they should be teaching...especially those who are "certain" of this doctrine. Just teach both sides and let the chips fall where they may?
This is all only your opinions with nothing in scripture to back it up. You can't hope to understand the book of Revelation if you don't recognize that it's not all in chronological order. Revelation 14:14 is one of several parallel verses in Revelation that describe things in relation to the ONE future coming of Christ.
What synonym for "escapists" would you prefer she use instead?
I NEVER called pre-tribbers escapists, I said the DOCTRINE was "to me" ESCAPISM.
The fact is . . . all Christians who are no longer alive have "escaped" the great tribulation. And many who are alive now, I would think, will likewise "escape" the great tribulation by no longer being here when it comes. Whether by death or by rapture.
How so? What is it about my thinking, my understanding, my character, whatever, that makes me escapist, or that has me to believe an escapist doctrine?
Has he no respect for his superior, Ice T?
Was Jesus literally at the physical temple below when he stated "Destroy This Temple"?
