What Did The Various Thing Under The Old Law Picture?

[Vengle53]

I will begin by listing the first one and then hopefully from there others will contribute different ones until we have a substantial list made.

Unclean Animals:

Acts 10:9 ¶On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

Acts 10:19 ¶While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.

The three men were Gentiles, one whose name was Cornelius, and here as follows is the key thing that Peter said to them that tells us the meaning of the unclean animal's under that Old Law:

Acts 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
27 And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.
28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

So there we see that the unclean animals under the Law were evidently considered by Peter to represent the uncleanness in men. After all, Peter having thought about the vision he was given, this was the conclusion he reached as to its meaning.

That well explains why men and nations were so often pictured as various kinds of beasts in the OT.

 

[Duckybill]

It wasn't just talking about people.

Acts 10:13 (NKJV)
[sup]13 [/sup]And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat.

Clearly meaning there are no more dietary restrictions.

 

[tomwebster]

It wasn't just talking about people.

Acts 10:13 (NKJV)
[sup]13 [/sup]And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat.

Clearly meaning there are no more dietary restrictions.

So Christ death and resurrection gave pigs sweat glands. Roast vacuum cleaner bags, anyone?

 

[Duckybill]

So Christ death and resurrection gave pigs sweat glands. Roast vacuum cleaner bags, anyone?

No, His death gave us the New Covenant wherein are ZERO dietary restrictions, ZERO executions for sin, ZERO animal sacrifices, etc. In fact, He calls religious dietary restrictions DOCTRINES OF DEMONS.

1 Timothy 4:1-3 (NKJV)
[sup]1 [/sup]Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and DOCTRINES OF DEMONS, [sup]2 [/sup]speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, [sup]3 [/sup]forbidding to marry, and COMMANDING TO ABSTAIN FROM FOODS which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.[sup]4 [/sup]For EVERY CREATURE OF GOD IS GOOD and NOTHING IS TO BE REFUSED if it is received with thanksgiving;

 

[TexUs]

If you don't like pork than don't eat it.

But don't make an excuse for not eating it, and try to persuade others based on old laws that don't apply to anyone anymore.

 

[tomwebster]

If you don't like pork than don't eat it.

But don't make an excuse for not eating it, and try to persuade others based on old laws that don't apply to anyone anymore.

I never said you couldn't eat pork. Eating unclean food is not a sin unto death, but it will make you sick. God did not create certain things to be eaten. Some things were created to cleanse the earth of pollutants. They are earth’s vacuum cleaners. If you look at the health laws you will see that they make sense for people that want to stay healthier. Do you wash your hands before you eat? Why? We do it because it is a healthier way to live.

 

[Duckybill]

I never said you couldn't eat pork. Eating unclean food is not a sin unto death, but it will make you sick. God did not create certain things to be eaten. Some things were created to cleanse the earth of pollutants. They are earth’s vacuum cleaners. If you look at the health laws you will see that they make sense for people that want to stay healthier. Do you wash your hands before you eat? Why? We do it because it is a healthier way to live.

1 Timothy 4
[sup][/sup].[sup]4 [/sup]For EVERY CREATURE OF GOD IS GOOD and NOTHING IS TO BE REFUSED if it is received with thanksgiving;

 

[TexUs]

I never said you couldn't eat pork. Eating unclean food is not a sin unto death, but it will make you sick. God did not create certain things to be eaten. Some things were created to cleanse the earth of pollutants. They are earth’s vacuum cleaners. If you look at the health laws you will see that they make sense for people that want to stay healthier. Do you wash your hands before you eat? Why? We do it because it is a healthier way to live.

I have never gotten sick from eating pork.

I have gotten sick from eating desserts (made from milk, sugar, chocolate, all things "clean").
I have gotten sick from eating other meats.
I have gotten sick from eating vegetables.

But never pork.

 

[tomwebster]

1 Timothy 4
[sup][/sup].[sup]4 [/sup]For EVERY CREATURE OF GOD IS GOOD and NOTHING IS TO BE REFUSED if it is received with thanksgiving;

Youconveniently left out the first part:

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

 

[TexUs]

I don't see how that changes what Ducky is saying.

 

[Duckybill]

Youconveniently left out the first part:

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

How did I leave it out? I quoted it before you did.

 

[Vengle53]

Youconveniently left out the first part:

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

I understand what you mean. You are saying that those verses only apply to meat that God has not forbidden.

But that view is wrong. We went back to how it was before the Law once Christ took that written Law out by nailing it with him to die. So then we ought to ask, Do I need guess at this or does the Bible tell me what was and what was not forbidden before that written Law was given?

And the Bible does tell us: Genesis 9:3 "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things."

So what are you going to say now; that God gave us permission to eat things that were bad for us to eat?

I know it does not feel good to be wrong. None of us like being wrong. But when we are, we are.

It is a good thing though in that it tests our humility to show us if we need to work on it.

 

[tomwebster]

I understand what you mean. You are saying that those verses only apply to meat that God has not forbidden.

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I said it before and I'll say it again, you can eat anything and everything you want. The fact is some things will make you sick and shorten your life. Not many people live to old age because we live in a polluted world and eat polluted things. I will eat a lamb chop any time rather than eating a pork chop. That is MY choice, if you want to eat pork, etc. go for it. Just remember pigs still don’t have sweat glands and the pollutants they eat are stored in their fat. Scavenger eat dead, rotting flesh, but fry them up and enjoy.

 

[Vengle53]

I said it before and I'll say it again, you can eat anything and everything you want. The fact is some things will make you sick and shorten your life. Not many people live to old age because we live in a polluted world and eat polluted things. I will eat a lamb chop any time rather than eating a pork chop. That is MY choice, if you want to eat pork, etc. go for it. Just remember pigs still don’t have sweat glands and the pollutants they eat are stored in their fat. Scavenger eat dead, rotting flesh, but fry them up and enjoy.

I entirely agree with what you said here. It is the course of wisdom to live with a knowledge of how what we choose to do whether in eating or activity affects our health.

I do not believe, however, that the Law that was given concerning unclean animals had so much (if anything) to do with our health needs, else God in effect sinned at Genesis 9: 3. The point was really about keeping ourselves morally clean before God as illustrated by not being allowed to present those meats God designated as unclean on his alter as sacrifice to him.

Too much of any food harms us. I cannot eat pork because my body manufactures too much uric acid and I get gout. It is the fact that pork is high in purines that makes it affect me that way. But many foods are high in purines. And even some of the meats that the Law said was clean have too many purines for my body to handle.

The weakness in my body is due to my body's breakdown due to sin. That is why what makes me sick does not make another person sick. It depends on how sin has taken its toll on our body and that varies from person to person. We cannot fight the toll sin has taken on our bodies so we have to live with our bodies using wisdom to not take into or do with our bodies what our body cannot handle. We cannot fight the toll of sin on our body but we do not have to help it along on its way to the death sin is pushing it toward. Having to live with our sin riddled dieing bodies should keep us mindful to fight sin in our spirit, where we can cast that sin out.

Each person needs to learn to live with their self in accord with a knowledge of what affects their body for better and worse and avoid things that affects their body for the worse.

 

[Duckybill]

There are no dietary restrictions in the NT.

Colossians 2:16 (NKJV)
[sup]16 [/sup]So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

Ok Lord, I won't.

 

[Vengle53]

There are no dietary restrictions in the NT.

Colossians 2:16 (NKJV)
[sup]16 [/sup]So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

Ok Lord, I won't.

Amen, and Romans chapter 14 goes well along with that verse.

 

[Vengle53]

Come to think of it, there is one restriction in the NT, but it was also given us before the Old Law:​

Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.​

Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.​

Genesis 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Some even take that to mean blood transfusions are prohibited.

I say it is just a matter of showing repect for life, as the scripture tells us also that: Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

 

[TexUs]

I'd agree about the offering thing, I won't eat the meat offered to other idols and I especially won't drink blood- it's just yucky, the Bible says no, and it comes with many health issues.

As far as pigs though, the lack of sweat glands isn't what makes animals more healthy or not. In fact I'd maintain sweat glands aren't even the primary means of removing toxins from the body (what do you think pee and poop are?)

 

[Vengle53]

I'd agree about the offering thing, I won't eat the meat offered to other idols and I especially won't drink blood- it's just yucky, the Bible says no, and it comes with many health issues.

As far as pigs though, the lack of sweat glands isn't what makes animals more healthy or not. In fact I'd maintain sweat glands aren't even the primary means of removing toxins from the body (what do you think pee and poop are?)

Also pigs surely asperate. In other words, they breath out moisture from their body. While that is to keep the lungs moist it also dispels some of the bloods impurities.

I like to look deeply at the scripture. I said that I thought it is just a matter of showing repect for life, as the scripture tells us also that: Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

God has grouped all blood together in that statement. I believe that is saying he allowed our life to continue that we might serve him (figuratively offerring our life on the alter to him).

That is how I see these words of Paul: 1 Corinthians 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not love, it profiteth me nothing.

Compare: Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

 

[Vengle53]

"Not all animals. Most mammals have sweat glands. Pigs, elephants, rabbits don't have sweat glands. You will find lions lazy because they have very few sweat glands and the best way to not get heated up is to do nothing!!<BR itxtvisited="1">Infact, a lion, due to the above facts, plus due to the fact that its eyes are extremely sensitive, hunts more during the night than the day.<BR itxtvisited="1">Sweating happens through paws and through the mouth moisture in many animals."<BR style="DISPLAY: block; CLEAR: left" itxtvisited="1">

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