What does it mean "there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus".....

[CadyandZoe]

the "repent or perish" I just briefly saw in someone else's thread but I think it's really there in the Bible, I just don't know in what context it was written though I think it might've been written to Christians vs non-Christians, I'm not sure!
I just had to write, I think I will always be condemned in Christ since I find it hard not to walk in the flesh in certain areas. For example, can I buy new clothes even if I still have stained old clothes? lol, this is not the only fleshly area I have trouble with, there's another area too. Thanks for replies.

In the context of Romans 8, Paul isn't talking about morality as such. According to Paul, there are two distinct ways to live as a moral person. "Walking in the flesh" is simply living in an attitude of self-righteousness. "Walking in the spirit", on the other hand, is living in an attitude informed by the gifts of the spirit such as patience, kindness, humbleness, graciousness, forgiveness and etc. God is not interested in our perfect obedience right now. We will fail, and we will fail less as we mature. But God is interested in our spirituality, i.e. the Holy Spirit's work in our hearts and minds. Our mind and heart is being renewed and as believers in Jesus, we walk according to our new enlightenment.

Bottom line, confess your sins with a contrite heart and walk in the light of Jesus.

 

[Behold]

but then the "repent or perish", why is there a contradiction, or is it? Thanks this can really help me right now.

What does it mean "there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus".....​

It means that God does not condemn you any longer for being a Christ rejecting sinner., which means you are not this one....... John 3:36.
See, unbelievers are under the condemnation of God, they are CONDEMNED to damnation, currently....right now. They are HELL BOUND, waiting to die and go there.
Believers are not. Believers are free from this Eternal JUDGMENT against their unbelief, and therefore they don't exit under the condemnation of God's eternal judgement.
Why not?
Because they are "in CHRIST" if they are born again, and "in Christ" there is no Condemnation.....there is no JUDGEMENT Against their sin or their unbelief any longer.

= WELCOME TO SALVATION

They have PASSED from "death", which is hell and damnation,.......into """"LIFE"""" = Forgiveness and Eternal life, having become a Son/Daughter of God.
= Born again.

 

[robert derrick]

It starts in election, God chose a people in Christ Jesus before the foundation Eph 1:4 and consequently by virtue of that, they arent condemned by God since they are in Christ.

Anyonje sinning in works of the flesh is condemned as anyone sinning in works of the flesh.

God is not a respecter of persons and unjust judge to condemn strangers, while excuse His own family.

No one is born of God and sons of God while sinning and fellowshipping with the devil, rather than doing righteousness and supping with the Lord.

 

[Behold]

God is not a respecter of persons and unjust judge to condemn strangers, while excuse His own family.

Reader,

The forgiveness of God, is not applied to a Christ Rejector, who is never born again... = John 3:36

The Salvation of God has been applied to God's redeemed, (Born again).... and all their sin has been dealt with by the Cross of Christ.

Romans 4:8 teaches that God does not charge the born again with their sin.
Why?
Because God has judged Jesus on the Cross for all their sin, already.... 2000 yrs ago.

Notice this verse, carefully... 2 Corinthians 5:19

 

[quietthinker]

quietthinker


False, scripture has never taught that in any sense.

I see you are unfamiliar with the scripture. Selective listening and seeing is a common issue amongst those who take the name of Jesus. Trim your lamp.

 

[quietthinker]

The forgiveness of God, is not applied to a Christ Rejector, who is never born again... = John 3:36

The Salvation of God has been applied to God's redeemed, (Born again).... and all their sin has been dealt with by the Cross of Christ.

Romans 4:8 teaches that God does not charge the born again with their sin.
Why?
Because God has judged Jesus on the Cross for all their sin, already.... 2000 yrs ago.

Have you ever considered who is that gives the Devil life?

 

[brightfame52]

Anyonje sinning in works of the flesh is condemned as anyone sinning in works of the flesh.

God is not a respecter of persons and unjust judge to condemn strangers, while excuse His own family.

No one is born of God and sons of God while sinning and fellowshipping with the devil, rather than doing righteousness and supping with the Lord.

Being in Christ commences in Election in Him before the foundation of the world, prior to actual physical existence Eph 1:4

 

[brightfame52]

I see you are unfamiliar with the scripture. Selective listening and seeing is a common issue amongst those who take the name of Jesus. Trim your lamp.

Lol, I see you deceived. Only a remnant of men are elect ! Rom 11:5

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Do you know what a remnant is ?

 

[quietthinker]

Lol, I see you deceived. Only a remnant of men are elect ! Rom 11:5

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Do you know what a remnant is ?

Understanding context is very helpful. Not understanding it creates confusion and misunderstanding.
You need to enquire instead of making blanket statements about what you think you understand but don't.

 

[brightfame52]

Understanding context is very helpful. Not understanding it creates confusion and misunderstanding.
You need to enquire instead of making blanket statements about what you think you understand but don't.

I understand the context. Truth is found in the context of scripture. Now do you know what a remnant is ? Election always has to do with a remnant.

 

[quietthinker]

I understand the context. Truth is found in the context of scripture. Now do you know what a remnant is ? Election always has to do with a remnant.

of course I know what a remnant is.....but please don't preach at me....because if that's your intention, you've lost me.
Talk to me, I am an intelligent and reasonably informed person.....even about your view of election.

 

[RR144]

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. - Rom. 8:1

The previous chapter showed that God judges the new creature, not the old man. God commends the will that wants to do right. The efforts made by the new mind to control the flesh show the good intentions. We would be discouraged if we judged ourselves according to the flesh. “Walk ... after the Spirit [not the flesh]” implies a continual, lifelong struggle. We are judged by the general tenor of our life, not by an individual act.

It should be noted that the last ten words, “who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit,” are spurious and do not appear in earliest manuscripts.

 

[thelord's_pearl]

Thank you everyone, I don't need anymore help on this scripture but you guys can still continue. It says there's no condemnation for those who are in Christ, who walks not in the flesh, but by the Spirit, so it should mean if as a Christian we walk by the flesh and not by the Spirit we're still condemned. I need help with the other thread I made called "fruit of the Spirit". Thanks :)

 

[Lambano]

Thank you everyone, I don't need anymore help on this scripture but you guys can still continue. It says there's no condemnation for those who are in Christ, who walks not in the flesh, but by the Spirit, so it should mean if as a Christian we walk by the flesh and not by the Spirit we're still condemned. I need help with the other thread I made called "fruit of the Spirit". Thanks :)

Ms. Lord's Pearl, most manuscripts do not have "who walk not in the flesh, but by the Spirit". Here's what NETBible's translators' notes say:

tc The earliest and best witnesses of the Alexandrian and Western texts, as well as a few others (א* B D* F G 6 1506 1739 1881 co), have no additional words for v. 1. Later scribes (A D Ψ 81 365 629 vg) added the words μὴ κατὰ σάρκα περιπατοῦσιν (mē kata sarka peripatousin, “who do not walk according to the flesh”), while even later ones (א D 33 M) added ἀλλὰ κατὰ πνεῦμα (alla kata pneuma, “but [who do walk] according to the Spirit”). Both the external evidence and the internal evidence are compelling for the shortest reading. The scribes were evidently motivated to add such qualifications (interpolated from v. 4) to insulate Paul’s gospel from charges that it was characterized too much by grace. The KJV follows the longest reading found in M.

So, the verse as Paul originally wrote it most probably only said, "Therefore, there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus", period, exclamation point. This is reflected in most translations.

So there! You're not condemned just because you bought new clothes.

 

[brightfame52]

of course I know what a remnant is.....but please don't preach at me....because if that's your intention, you've lost me.
Talk to me, I am an intelligent and reasonably informed person.....even about your view of election.

Okay so election consiteth in a remnant, not all. Those Chosen in Christ before the foundation in Eph 1:4 is a remnant.

 

[Jim B]

Ms. Lord's Pearl, most manuscripts do not have "who walk not in the flesh, but by the Spirit". Here's what NETBible's translators' notes say:

tc The earliest and best witnesses of the Alexandrian and Western texts, as well as a few others (א* B D* F G 6 1506 1739 1881 co), have no additional words for v. 1. Later scribes (A D Ψ 81 365 629 vg) added the words μὴ κατὰ σάρκα περιπατοῦσιν (mē kata sarka peripatousin, “who do not walk according to the flesh”), while even later ones (א D 33 M) added ἀλλὰ κατὰ πνεῦμα (alla kata pneuma, “but [who do walk] according to the Spirit”). Both the external evidence and the internal evidence are compelling for the shortest reading. The scribes were evidently motivated to add such qualifications (interpolated from v. 4) to insulate Paul’s gospel from charges that it was characterized too much by grace. The KJV follows the longest reading found in M.

So, the verse as Paul originally wrote it most probably only said, "Therefore, there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus", period, exclamation point. This is reflected in most translations.

So there! You're not condemned just because you bought new clothes.

I find the NET translation, with its copious notes, to be a truly excellent translation, both for careful study and general reading.

 

[Lambano]

I find the NET translation, with its copious notes, to be a truly excellent translation, both for careful study and general reading.

Oh, man, I do too! Very readable, and I like seeing why the translators translated a verse the way they did.

 

[quietthinker]

Okay so election consiteth in a remnant, not all. Those Chosen in Christ before the foundation in Eph 1:4 is a remnant.

There is a bigger picture which needs to be understood so that the term 'the remnant' can be understood.

We start with Adam.....we are all his progeny therefore we are all in him (no choice of our own). Adam is the representative of the human race. What happens/happened to Adam, happens to us (we die) Adam's sin shifted something in his whole reality....everything changed; spiritually, emotionally, relationally and physically. Separation/alienation became endemic.....separation from himself, others and God....finally he died just as God said he would if he took the forbidden route.

The promised Saviour Jesus, took on flesh and blood.....he became the new representative for the human family. He became the second Adam (no choice of our own).....and in him all humanity is represented. He overcame; he was victorious.....and in him all humanity. (we live) This is specifically the good news. The parameters of this good news is the privilege of humanity to hear/discover. Paul lays it out in Romans 5. He repeats himself several times as well as five times between vs 15-19, just so we don't miss it.

Does this mean all people will be saved in the final out come? I don't think so. We all now can choose to whom we will pay allegiance. Those who do not resist the prompting of God's Spirit when they hear the good news are ultimately called 'the remnant'. They have not refused the call by which all men are called.

This is the larger picture and scriptures which speak of 'the elect' need to be seen in this light.

What does this do? It does not allow a sense of entitlement by those who feel/think they are chosen above all others. It levels the playing field and enables us to see those who do not see as we do as our brother. It gives us every reason to get off our judgemental horse and wash the others feet.....particularly the messy ones!

 

[brightfame52]

There is a bigger picture which needs to be understood so that the term 'the remnant' can be understood.

We start with Adam.....we are all his progeny therefore we are all in him (no choice of our own). Adam is the representative of the human race. What happens/happened to Adam, happens to us (we die) Adam's sin shifted something in his whole reality....everything changed; spiritually, emotionally, relationally and physically. Separation/alienation became endemic.....separation from himself, others and God....finally he died just as God said he would if he took the forbidden route.

The promised Saviour Jesus, took on flesh and blood.....he became the new representative for the human family. He became the second Adam (no choice of our own).....and in him all humanity is represented. He overcame; he was victorious.....and in him all humanity. (we live) This is specifically the good news. The parameters of this good news is the privilege of humanity to hear/discover. Paul lays it out in Romans 5. He repeats himself several times as well as five times between vs 15-19, just so we don't miss it.

Does this mean all people will be saved in the final out come? I don't think so. We all now can choose to whom we will pay allegiance. Those who do not resist the prompting of God's Spirit when they hear the good news are ultimately called 'the remnant'. They have not refused the call by which all men are called.

This is the larger picture and scriptures which speak of 'the elect' need to be seen in this light.

What does this do? It does not allow a sense of entitlement by those who feel/think they are chosen above all others. It levels the playing field and enables us to see those who do not see as we do as our brother. It gives us every reason to get off our judgemental horse and wash the others feet.....particularly the messy ones!

Election is about an remnant, Christ seed is the Seed of Abraham, thats who He represented, not all mankind. You made a erroneous statement, all people are not in Christ, nowhere close does the scripture say or imply that.

Christ took on the flesh of a particular people, a seed Heb 2:16-17

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

 

[Scott Downey]

Election is about an remnant, Christ seed is the Seed of Abraham, thats who He represented, not all mankind. You made a erroneous statement, all people are not in Christ, nowhere close does the scripture say or imply that.

Christ took on the flesh of a particular people, a seed Heb 2:16-17

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

And HIS BRETHREN are not all men, only the ones God gave to Christ to be a part of His family are of the family of God.

Hebrews 2
10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He who [g]sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying:

“I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You.”
13 And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”
And again:

“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”
14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For indeed He does not [h]give aid to angels, but He does [i]give aid to the seed of Abraham. 17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being [j]tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.

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