What does it mean to be created male and female?

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Madad21

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What does it mean to be created male and female?

Genesis 1:27 "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them".


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River Jordan

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Maybe the bigger question is what "in His image" means. Does it refer to physical characteristics? Does that mean God has all our physical features?

Or does it refer to our spiritual nature?
 

Madad21

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laid renard said:
It means I get to wear a dress and you don't. :p
who said I dont wear a dress. LOL

River Jordan said:
Maybe the bigger question is what "in His image" means. Does it refer to physical characteristics? Does that mean God has all our physical features?

Or does it refer to our spiritual nature?
Thank you River your on the ball!.

I was on the topic of Scripture as a source of theology I actually found this particular question while looking into a broader range of questions all based around how we inform our own theology's according to scripture.
As I pondered this question the more profound it became. Your question about His image is relevant to this answer, but I cant help to ask still what is it with male and female? (maybe you could extend your thoughts?)

I found this while I was fishing around
"The creation of Adam was followed by that of Eve. Flesh, received from God, makes possible the union of love between man and woman, and thus, to transmit life. The bodies of Adam and Eve, before the Fall, appeared to be in perfect harmony. Their bodies had a language they did not create, an eros rooted in their nature which invited them to receive each other mutually, from the Creator, so that they could give reciprocally.
We understand then how, in love, man is "re-created." Incipit vita nuova (a new life begins), Dante wrote (Vita Nuova I,1), the life of the new union of two in one flesh." (http://vita-nostra-in-ecclesia.blogspot.com.au/2011/05/theology-of-body-is-theology-of.html)

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance
 

River Jordan

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Madad21 said:
As I pondered this question the more profound it became. Your question about His image is relevant to this answer, but I cant help to ask still what is it with male and female? (maybe you could extend your thoughts?)
The way it's worded I just can't read it as a simple statement of fact. Who talks like that?

So I went to the store today, into the store I went, the store I went to today

In fact, if you look at the NIV that passage is formatted as prose. Given the repetitive, rhythmic nature of that verse I think that's what it is.

I found this while I was fishing around
"The creation of Adam was followed by that of Eve. Flesh, received from God, makes possible the union of love between man and woman, and thus, to transmit life. The bodies of Adam and Eve, before the Fall, appeared to be in perfect harmony. Their bodies had a language they did not create, an [/size]eros rooted in their nature which invited them to receive each other mutually, from the Creator, so that they could [/size]give reciprocally.[/size]
We understand then how, in love, man is "re-created." [/size]Incipit vita nuova (a new life begins), Dante wrote ([/size]Vita Nuova I,1), the life of the new union of two in one flesh." ([/size]http://vita-nostra-in-ecclesia.blogspot.com.au/2011/05/theology-of-body-is-theology-of.html)

Any thoughts?
That's a beautiful way of thinking about it.

Thanks in advance
 

Madad21

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River Jordan said:
The way it's worded I just can't read it as a simple statement of fact. Who talks like that?

So I went to the store today, into the store I went, the store I went to today

In fact, if you look at the NIV that passage is formatted as prose. Given the repetitive, rhythmic nature of that verse I think that's what it is.


That's a beautiful way of thinking about it.

Thanks in advance
Yeah actually I think I made a mistake putting that scripture up in my OP, I found it as an after thought, but I didnt have that scripture in mind at the time, my apology's.
Im no good at starting threads which is obvious, It was just that the question seems to promote a serious theological response, like you said there is a deeper spiritual meaning. So I thought I would in-list some help to try and figure it out.
I think I'll make this my last thread, my track record hasnt been too good with them LOL
Thanks for your patience :)
 

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Madad21 said:
Yeah actually I think I made a mistake putting that scripture up in my OP, I found it as an after thought, but I didnt have that scripture in mind at the time, my apology's.
Im no good at starting threads which is obvious, It was just that the question seems to promote a serious theological response, like you said there is a deeper spiritual meaning. So I thought I would in-list some help to try and figure it out.
I think I'll make this my last thread, my track record hasnt been too good with them LOL
Thanks for your patience :)
With my cane, I have you beat wiith a distance of 25 foot, foot race at the 'track.' Careful, I may trip you with it. I was thinking more with the rest of the Scriptures construed with Gen.1:27 resulting in saying that God on the 6th actual day created "man," yet this term is meant generically "man." Then as a special work "woman" was brought into being. My point:

"male" and "female" from the Hebrew roots according to some of the big boys, means to perforate which I agree with.

Old agreeing Jack
 

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Madad21 said:
Yeah actually I think I made a mistake putting that scripture up in my OP, I found it as an after thought, but I didnt have that scripture in mind at the time, my apology's.
Im no good at starting threads which is obvious, It was just that the question seems to promote a serious theological response, like you said there is a deeper spiritual meaning. So I thought I would in-list some help to try and figure it out.
I think I'll make this my last thread, my track record hasnt been too good with them LOL
Thanks for your patience :)
K-Pasta......................Madad...have you ever read the book... The Shack? It's fiction........I don't ususally like reading fiction....It was hot in America a few years back....many churches were reading it. Many people didn't understand it, even Christians...........even my wife......and she is totaly hot on fire for Christ..........there isn't even a second goes by in her life that she isn't talking about God.

Dude.......:)..I can't even remember why I brought this up...............good grief :) Dah :mellow:

Anyway since I'm here....HOPE YA ARE HAVIN A GREAT DAY....LOVE YA
Sure enjoy your threads............at least ya don't get reeeeeeeeeemed like I do when I start a thread :D

Thread on Bratha...........Thread On !
 

Madad21

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RANDOR said:
K-Pasta......................Madad...have you ever read the book... The Shack? It's fiction........I don't ususally like reading fiction....It was hot in America a few years back....many churches were reading it. Many people didn't understand it, even Christians...........even my wife......and she is totaly hot on fire for Christ..........there isn't even a second goes by in her life that she isn't talking about God.

Dude....... :)..I can't even remember why I brought this up...............good grief :) Dah :mellow:

Anyway since I'm here....HOPE YA ARE HAVIN A GREAT DAY....LOVE YA
Sure enjoy your threads............at least ya don't get reeeeeeeeeemed like I do when I start a thread :D

Thread on Bratha...........Thread On !
Yeah I heard a lot of controversy about that book, not good for Christians as I recall, Oprah really endorsed it.

Yeah Im having a good day my bro hope you are to mate, love ya right back my bro.

My threads suck because Im not controversial!! LOL

I just leave em up to you aye cuz
 

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Madad21 said:
The creation of Adam was followed by that of Eve. Flesh, received from God, makes possible the union of love between man and woman, and thus, to transmit life.
Christian theologies have corrupted Genesis from the redefining and retranslation of the writings in order to reshape the context of the scriptures in order to validate the legitimacy of their carnal doctrines that it is little wonder that 'evolution' has been so widely adopted as a scientific axiom for the origin of mankind upon earth.


Genesis 1:27 "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them".
In the original text it was written that God created man in his own image, however as I stated the carnal minded retranslate the scriptures to fit their carnal doctrines.

If one was born of the Spirit and the Word, it would be simple for them to understand the meaning of being created in the image of God. In the beginning was the Word, and
the Word was with God, and the Word was God. As written in Genesis 2:7, And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.

In such, brings up this question for consideration, does the gift of tongues give man the to speak or does the ability to speak originate from the flesh?
 

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Forsakenone said:
If one was born of the Spirit and the Word, it would be simple for them to understand the meaning of being created in the image of God. In the beginning was the Word, and
the Word was with God, and the Word was God. As written in Genesis 2:7, And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.
man that's irritating.....

Yes thank you for pointing out what is basic and obvious.

However Christians like to have theological discussions on scripture, because in the Word there is more to be seen and God shows us these things as we meditate on his Word. This is Christianity 101 and its called studying the word of God. By studying and understanding what has been said we form our theological understanding of who God is and what he has done, Talking thinking and writing about God using the understanding we are given through His Word is something that is both edifying and worship.

If you dont believe in or agree with Christian doctrine then you have no business being on a Christian forum.

Proverbs 18:2
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.

Psalm 119:130
The unfolding of your words gives light; it imparts understanding to the simple.

Proverbs 4:7
The beginning of wisdom is this: Get wisdom, and whatever you get, get insight.

If one was born of the Spirit and the Word they would already know this.

:)
 

Forsakenone

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man that's irritating......
You posted a question, I posted a response.

Yes thank you for pointing out what is basic and obvious.
Then do you care to answer the question regarding man's ability to speak, does it originate in man [male or female] from their flesh or is a gift of the Spirit to the spirit of man?

Proverbs 18:2
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.


If you dont believe in or agree with Christian doctrine then you have no business being on a Christian forum.




If one was born of the Spirit and the Word they would already know this.
Imitation is the highest form of flattery, thanks!
 

Madad21

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Forsakenone said:
You posted a question, I posted a response.
Your ugly response being that Christian doctrine is false and that Christians who discuss the Word dont understand scripture and dont have the Spirit.


Forsakenone said:
Then do you care to answer the question regarding man's ability to speak, does it originate in man [male or female] from their flesh or is a gift of the Spirit to the spirit of man?
I dont care to answer the questions of the arrogant and foolish, why dont you go set up your own thread and ask your own question there.


Forsakenone said:
Imitation is the highest form of flattery, thanks!
If that's how you rationalise your stupidity then go for your life.
 

Forsakenone

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Your ugly response being that Christian doctrine is false and that Christians who discuss the Word dont understand scripture and dont have the
Spirit.
That is your misrepresentation of my comments,

Christian doctrine is false
"Christian theologies have corrupted Genesis from the redefining and retranslation of the writings"

Christians who discuss the Word dont understand scripture and dont have the Spirit
"In the original text it was written that God created man in his own image, however as I stated the carnal minded retranslate the scriptures to fit their carnal doctrines."


Madad21 said:


If that's how you rationalise your stupidity then go for your life.
Kind of ironic that you misspelled 'rationalize' when calling someone else stupid.
 

Madad21

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Forsakenone said:
Kind of ironic that you misspelled 'rationalize' when calling someone else stupid.
You forgot arrogant and foolish.

I wont be speaking with you again or I will be guilty of Prov 26:4

Have a nice day :)

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Back to the topic...............

Genesis 1:26–28

Genesis 1:26–28 tells us the seven most important truths we need to know about the essence of humanity (again, apart from the fact of sin):
Then God said, “Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”
So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.”

God’s crowning creative achievement is portrayed in these majestic words.
Seven foundational truths about humankind are asserted through the words used in this passage:

• God: In Scripture humankind is always defined in relation to God.

• make: We are creatures with a finite existence.

• humankind: We are the culmination of God’s creative acts.

• image/likeness: Our uniqueness lies in our having been made in the divine image.

• dominion: This divine image is expressed in the dominion God has given us to rule and care for the created order.

• male/female: Human sexuality is a part of God’s design for humankind, and both sexes are made in God’s image.

• blessed/be fruitful: God personally and lovingly blessed and ordained our role in his creation, commanding us to fill the earth and subdue it in a loving nurture. This blessing is a powerful reality attested in Scripture.


These truths about humanity can only be fully known through biblical revelation. Any attempt to define humankind apart from our fundamental relationship with God is futile. Even a natural theology falls far short at this point. The Bible provides the only adequate basis for belief in the dignity of humanity.

shturt678 said:
With my cane, I have you beat wiith a distance of 25 foot, foot race at the 'track.' Careful, I may trip you with it. I was thinking more with the rest of the Scriptures construed with Gen.1:27 resulting in saying that God on the 6th actual day created "man," yet this term is meant generically "man." Then as a special work "woman" was brought into being. My point:

"male" and "female" from the Hebrew roots according to some of the big boys, means to perforate which I agree with.

Old agreeing Jack
Interesting, but Im not sure I fully grasp what is meant by "to Perforate"

Thanks Jack
 

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Madad21 said:
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Back to the topic...............

Genesis 1:26–28

Genesis 1:26–28 tells us the seven most important truths we need to know about the essence of humanity (again, apart from the fact of sin):
Then God said, “Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”
So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.”

God’s crowning creative achievement is portrayed in these majestic words.
Seven foundational truths about humankind are asserted through the words used in this passage:

• God: In Scripture humankind is always defined in relation to God.

• make: We are creatures with a finite existence.

• humankind: We are the culmination of God’s creative acts.

• image/likeness: Our uniqueness lies in our having been made in the divine image.

• dominion: This divine image is expressed in the dominion God has given us to rule and care for the created order.

• male/female: Human sexuality is a part of God’s design for humankind, and both sexes are made in God’s image.

• blessed/be fruitful: God personally and lovingly blessed and ordained our role in his creation, commanding us to fill the earth and subdue it in a loving nurture. This blessing is a powerful reality attested in Scripture.


These truths about humanity can only be fully known through biblical revelation. Any attempt to define humankind apart from our fundamental relationship with God is futile. Even a natural theology falls far short at this point. The Bible provides the only adequate basis for belief in the dignity of humanity.


Interesting, but Im not sure I fully grasp what is meant by "to Perforate"

Thanks Jack
Thank you for your response again!

Got pretty much caught up and can spend more time here finally, ie, hope anyway? I guess long ago a bunch of big boys posited that Adam was created half man and half woman thus they used the root understanding to nip this heresy in bud, ie, "to perforate" whatever that means? Have to get on the coconut wireless again, and give RANDOR a jingle again on this one?

Old rooting out Jack
 

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Malad, now I'm really beginning to see what you're saying about self righteous Christians. It seems there's a gauntlet of them right on this forum.