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This thread is mostly to address again how it is said to be bad to “Spiritualize” scriptures. I hear it all the time even to the point where you can’t post anything..any connections you feel help or at least verses that have helped you… without it being condemned as “out of context” or as “over-spiritualizing”. I’m sure this will be condemned also as being taken out of context: Romans 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Romans refers to “but what I hate, that I do.”
I get this passage speaks about sin. I’m not disputing that. I’m asking about what we say is sin to us …that is sin. Those who feel very strongly of a thing as sinful or to be condemned…to me they are calling it a sin and condemned to “over-spiritualize”. Maybe I’m wrong but when those post come to a thread it is clear they hate “over-spiritualizing.” From their perspective “taken out of context” …is a sin? Which Romans 7:15 talks about “sin”.
Another verse that connects I think is… hoping I won’t be condemned in that which I allow.
I seriously do not understand how those who hate over-spiritualizing can then spiritualize whenever they choose. I truly don’t get the inequality of what is allowed for me is condemned in you.
How it is ok for them …for instance “you must eat my flesh and drink my blood” to then be “Spiritual”. They say there are clues leading up to when it is okay to “spiritualize” or to take a thing as Spiritual. Like with parables…but I don’t see any clues there when Jesus spoke of drinking his blood and eating his flesh. I’ve been in churches that condemn spiritualizing the Word …hating and despising it …but at the same time I’ve heard their “types” and “shadows” in taking things out of context even to the point of coming up with what the names mean as a type or shadow. What if those “types” And “shadows” are just as wrong as connecting verses said to be taken out of context. It could all be wrong…but that isn’t the point. The point is …why is one a sin and there is no forgiveness for errors…and one is not a sin confident theirs is no errors?
For me Romans helps in pointing out that we do what we hate. To me this helps with all condemnation. How often the thing we hate and despise, that thing we also do. To me we will allow it when we do it, and then turn around and condemn ourselves by hating in others; what we allow for ourselves but hate in them… “but what I hate, that I do.”
Romans refers to “but what I hate, that I do.”
I get this passage speaks about sin. I’m not disputing that. I’m asking about what we say is sin to us …that is sin. Those who feel very strongly of a thing as sinful or to be condemned…to me they are calling it a sin and condemned to “over-spiritualize”. Maybe I’m wrong but when those post come to a thread it is clear they hate “over-spiritualizing.” From their perspective “taken out of context” …is a sin? Which Romans 7:15 talks about “sin”.
Another verse that connects I think is… hoping I won’t be condemned in that which I allow.
I seriously do not understand how those who hate over-spiritualizing can then spiritualize whenever they choose. I truly don’t get the inequality of what is allowed for me is condemned in you.
How it is ok for them …for instance “you must eat my flesh and drink my blood” to then be “Spiritual”. They say there are clues leading up to when it is okay to “spiritualize” or to take a thing as Spiritual. Like with parables…but I don’t see any clues there when Jesus spoke of drinking his blood and eating his flesh. I’ve been in churches that condemn spiritualizing the Word …hating and despising it …but at the same time I’ve heard their “types” and “shadows” in taking things out of context even to the point of coming up with what the names mean as a type or shadow. What if those “types” And “shadows” are just as wrong as connecting verses said to be taken out of context. It could all be wrong…but that isn’t the point. The point is …why is one a sin and there is no forgiveness for errors…and one is not a sin confident theirs is no errors?
For me Romans helps in pointing out that we do what we hate. To me this helps with all condemnation. How often the thing we hate and despise, that thing we also do. To me we will allow it when we do it, and then turn around and condemn ourselves by hating in others; what we allow for ourselves but hate in them… “but what I hate, that I do.”
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This meant a lot to me. I struggle with that question every day “are you seeking the approval of men or of God”? You are a blessing to me in what you said. It is encouraging and comforting to me. I was thinking about this the other day …about “voice”. Because I think a lot about what men say and question often: if it is only my own voice I hear in His Word. I’ve thought the same things … “there is no way you put that together on your own.” So to have you say this was a blessing to me. No one has ever said that but instead the opposite which just supports and amplifies my doubt. I don’t want it to be my voice I hear but His. I’m going to a counselor because “my voice” is scrambled, sick and confused; always negative. When I said I’ve thought a lot about “voice” and how others sometimes come at me that I’m just hearing my own…I think there is no way because my voice destroys me, my voice wears me out, my voice condemns and leaves me second-guessing and assuming the worse; repeating in my mind. Like a looping trap. But His Voice is different than mine. His Voice is nothing like my own voice destroying and wearing me out; but His is renewing, loving, accepting, full of Hope and Joy. You asked if I seek the approval of men? No but too often it is too easy to believe what they say because …what they say agrees with the destroying and wearing out voice I’ve heard for so long. 
