What is “Mystery Babylon” and her connection to the Antichrist?

[Davy]

History and Scripture disagree with you, thus Abbingdon's CORRECT assessment of WHAT ISN'T.

And you have no clue of WHAT IS, but that doesn't deter your spoutings.
Bobby Jo

The Scripture is clear, but you won't read and heed it...

Rev 17:11
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV

So just how... is that beast that was, OF THE SEVEN? meaning of those seven previous kings?

 

[Rocky Wiley]

Not really sure what you're asking. You'll have to give me more detail.

Jesus dealt with children of the devil:
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

The ones Jesus was talking to were the ones who call themselves Jews.
Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

There are Jews all around us today. They control most of the money in the world. They don't hide the fact, since they still call themselves Jews and don't believe Jesus is the son of God.

 

[Bobby Jo]

... Jews ... control most of the money in the world. ...

Well, as I suggested in my Reply to your question, -- I didn't think you really wanted to know what Scripture and History support. So I guess I'm not surprised. Disappointed that you're as dishonest and lazy as so many others, -- YES --, but not surprised.

Bobby Jo

 

[Davy]

Jesus dealt with children of the devil:
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

The ones Jesus was talking to were the ones who call themselves Jews.
Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

There are Jews all around us today. They control most of the money in the world. They don't hide the fact, since they still call themselves Jews and don't believe Jesus is the son of God.

You're talking about the "mystery of iniquity".

Early in Israel's history the Canaanites crept in among them. God had told the children of Israel to destroy the seven specific peoples of the land of Canaan because of their iniquity, but also because the giants were there, and those hybrids were not part of God's plan. The Kenites of the land of Canaan especially crept in among Judah and became Israel's scribes (1 Chronicles 2:55). In Joshua 9, a group of Canaanites who feared destruction by Israel disguised themselves as travelers from a far off land. They made a pact with Joshua to dwell among the Israelites, and then it was discovered they were actually Canaanites. Joshua then made them bondservants. In Judges 2 & 3, God was angry with the children of Israel because they had not obeyed His command to wipe out all the Canaanites. So God said He would leave them among Israel to try Israel with.

In Solomon's days, the left-overs of the Canaanites were still among Israel as bondservants, hewers of wood and drawers of water. Some of them eventually became temple workers called Nethinims. And some of them would even creep into the priesthood (see Ezra 2).

Then there was the nation of Edom. Because they wouldn't allow the children of Israel to pass when they left Egypt to come into the lands of promise, God destroyed that nation. Many of the Idumeans thus became converted Jews dwelling among Judah. King Herod himself was a converted Jew of Idumean birth (Esau). So there's that group among today's Jews also.

Then the old nation of Khazaria converted to the Jew's religion long ago, and became religious Jews. Many of those wound up being the majority of the Ashkenazi Jews that migrated to Europe.

In the last verse of Zechariah 14, we are told then, in that future time, there will no more be the Canaanite in the house of God.

Thus the "synagogue of Satan" our Lord Jesus pointed to isn't simply about orthodox unbelieving Jews. It's more about the foreigners that crept in that God ordained to work the negative side of His plan. Per Paul in Romans 11, God put blindness on the majority of the 'authentic' Jews so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles. When that blindness is removed, they will believe on Jesus. But for the Canaanite crept in unawares, with their 'beast' nature, many of those likely won't convert to Jesus.

Jesus also showed His elect that He will make those of the "synagogue of Satan" to worship at the feet of His elect. So they will bow to Christ Jesus in the future during His Millennial reign, but they may not all believe to be saved. Yet that shows in Christ's future thousand years reign, it will be our job to teach them.

In summary then, those represent the "tares" in Christ's parable of the tares of the field. The good seed represent the good children of God. But the tares represent the children of the devil, his servants that were ordained to that condemnation per Jude 1. When the worker asked the master to harvest then before harvest time to get the tares out, the master said no lest you mistakenly reap some of the good wheat also. Instead wait until harvest time. That means it's not up to us to identity who the 'tares' are, as one deceived might be following them which otherwise would not (like Apostle Paul was once deceived against Christ). We are told to recognize the fruit.

That's who is in control of this world, except where God allows His servants to have power, like President Trump today. He represents the OT working of Jehu who cleansed Israel of a lot of the idols. That is why Satan's workers hate Trump so much.

 

[Bobby Jo]

...
Rev 17:11
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV
So just how... is that beast that was, OF THE SEVEN? meaning of those seven previous kings?

Who's Babylon / What's Babylon?

The Babylonian Empire used the Metropolis Model which we still use today. -- Even the creators of the Superman® comics recognized his city as "Metropolis" which we ALL recognize as NYC. But the church is deaf, dumb, and blind, (dumb -- not as hard of hearing, but as ~stupid~):

The Babylonian Empire was “the first true metropolis in western history, a business as well as an administrative center”[1] -- the prototype of governments as we see them to this day. The Babylonians controlled trade and commerce across western Asia, from the Mediterranean Sea to the Persian Gulf, building highways, legislating business, beautifying the capital, and creating the first amusement park -- the third Wonder of the World -- the Hanging Gardens.[2]

[1] John B. Christopher and Robert Lee Wolf, A History of Civilization, Prentice-Hall, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1967, p. 35
[2] Will Durant, Story of Civilization: Part II, Simon and Schuster, NY, 1954, pp. 223-224​

So we arrive from the "Image of Metals" as the Metropolis Model = "Babylon", and the Image will be struck on it's feet -- which is to say the Ten Toes.


Any more "challenges"? PLEASE throw them out. Ask why Dan. 1:21 contradicts 10:1, but BOTH are PERFECTLY CORRECT as written (i.e., Daniel DIED in the FIRST year of Cyrus). Ask why the Commentators can't resolve who Darius was. Ask why 11:1 doesn't make sense that a CONQUEROR needs to be "strengthened". Ask why Daniel's prophecies are assigned to Ancient "fulfillments" when the angel (12:4 & 9) insists they're approximate to the late 1900's. Ask why Rev. 17 is written in Future-Present-Tense. Ask why Dan. 9 is MODERN and the INTERPRETATION found in the Book of PSALMS.

I challenge YOU! Step up, be BRAVE and PROVE you're not a sissy girl that RUNS AWAY and HIDES like some have been accused.
Bobby Jo

 

[quietthinker]

YEAH, what bombast. -- You make accusations for WHY YOU HAVE NO ANSWERS and run away like a little girl.

So run, -- little sissy.
Bobby Jo

and so you resort to name calling as if that gives leverage. You should know better.

 

[Bobby Jo]

and so you resort to name calling ...

You are what you are, and your games are childish. Let me know when you grow up, -- yeah, like that'll ever happen.

Placed On IGNORE.
Bobby Jo

 

[Timtofly]

Christ's future thousand years reign that begins at His return will not... be a fleshy existence. On the day of Christ's coming all will be changed at the twinkling of an eye. The future state is with a "spiritual body", which is also the body of the resurrection which Apostle Paul taught. Only those with cave men secularist philosophy believe this flesh world is going to go on forever.

It is also not understood, but yet true that God created the stars, all angels on day 4, only 2 days before the sons of God on day 6. Then there was 1000 years as the first Lord's Day. The Second Lord's Day will start soon. That a third of the stars followed Satan did not happen until after the first 1000 years. Adam was in the Garden of Eden which God did not place until the first 1000 years was over. The Garden and Adam only lasted 30 years. Then Satan did succeed to tempt Eve. He probably had been trying a dozen years and during two easy pregnancies.

I know that this soon coming Day of the Lord will also be for the restored sons of God. They will have access to both earth and heaven from the restored place given to Adam, the Garden of Eden, Paradise, the temple of God. It is not yet New Jerusalem. That is not until the next reality of this cosmos. Who actually repopulates earth during the 1000 years it not actually revealed. If Satan gets 3.5 years, then those who get their heads chopped off will be some on earth. But no one on earth alive now, other than those perhaps killed in the Thunderings will live past the battle of Armageddon. That is the final harvest and all those go to hell. All 666 people go to hell.
All those saved in the Trumpets may not be considered in Christ, because after the 7th seal is opened that seems the church has been completed. And the Trumpets do not start until after the 7th seal, because there is silence and a pause in heaven and earth for a half an hour. It is the break signifying the church is complete. Adam's 6000 years of punishment is complete. The plan of the Atonement will be revealed. Then those all in Jacob's house, all descendants lost for 2500 years, will recognize The Lamb. They will ask about the wounds. They will know their 1st century fathers claimed, that if it was the Messiah, blood will be on their hands. The whole world will have this knowledge in the presence of God on the throne. This event may happen at any time, or not till next year. No one knows.

God is currently waiting for the church to take advantage of this covid19 inturruption. It seems to me the church is missing this opportunity, because all are looking for Satan and not the Lamb of God and God the Father on the throne. If the church knew she had only months to reap the harvest, would she be ready, or caught like a foolish virgin not prepared? Will the 2+ billion people killed between seal 3 and 5 be the church, lost souls, only lost souls? Will we be telling others about Christ or fighting for our own safety? Does anyone even care, because they claim all of Revelation has already happened? Really, when has God appeared on the throne with the Lamb and the skies rolled back and the time when the rest of Satan's angels fall from the sky like fig leaves? Why do we think we live in a multi-billion year universe, when the 6th seal shatters that deception of Satan?

God says this universe only has a finite age of 8000 years and only 1000 are left. This reality is a finite shape, held in a finite time frame. The breadth of God's love will end in a little over 1000 years. This reality will burn up, and the church, sons of God will pass on to the next reality. It is time to figure out there are no race issues. We are all equal in the eyes of God as fallen humans in Adam's image and likeness. Why is the church letting this lost worldview dictating life, instead of claiming God’s power and turning this world around with God's reviving power? It is not in governmental options. That did not work for ancient Israel. It did not help when Constantine merged the church with the government. It has not worked when the church has attempted to convert this current US government. The only thing that will work is when God’s people humble themselves, pray, seek God's face, turn from their wicked ways. Only then will God hear, heal, and send a revival. Else Satan wins.

 

[Davy]

It is also not understood, but yet true that God created the stars, all angels on day 4, only 2 days before the sons of God on day 6. Then there was 1000 years as the first Lord's Day. The Second Lord's Day will start soon. That a third of the stars followed Satan did not happen until after the first 1000 years. Adam was in the Garden of Eden which God did not place until the first 1000 years was over. The Garden and Adam only lasted 30 years. Then Satan did succeed to tempt Eve. He probably had been trying a dozen years and during two easy pregnancies.
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Too much wild speculation for me. I was actually referring to what God's Word says will occur. In Isaiah 25 is where Apostle Paul was quoting from about death being swallowed up in victory. There the Isaiah Scriptures hints that the veil of this flesh age is going to be removed on that day for all nations and peoples, that given in relation to that idea of death swallowed up in victory.

In John 5:28-29, Jesus showed that on the day of His return, ALL in the graves will hear His voice and come forth. That means both the just and the unjust being resurrected on that day. He then mentions the two types of resurrection, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who did evil to the resurrection of damnation. The fact that the damned are raised from the dead too and have resurrection bodies should be an eye opener, as it further proves what the Isaiah 25 Scripture shows.

Apostle Paul also revealed this in 1 Corinthians 15 in a latter verse, when he showed 4 different states per the Greek. To have eternal Life in Christ one's corruptible flesh must put on incorruption, AND this mortal must put on immortality. That is 2 types of changes for those in Christ Jesus. The first change requirement is from a flesh body to a spiritual body. And the second change is from Faith on Christ being made a 'new creature', which means our mortal soul putting on immortality in Christ Jesus. This is why Jesus said those who believe don't see corruption (i.e., at death), but pass from death to life (John 5:24).

But for the resurrection of damnation that are also raised on the day of Christ's return, those will still have mortal souls in a liable to perish condition. They will be subject to the "second death", which is the casting into the "lake of fire" at the end of Christ's thousand years reign. Even as it is today in this present world, those who reject Christ Jesus as God's promised Savior have dead souls and in a liable to perish condition, unless they repent and believe on The Father through His Son Jesus Christ.

 

[Rocky Wiley]

Who's Babylon / What's Babylon?

Isaac had two sons Esau and Jacob. Esau was told not to take a wife in Canaan.

Gen 28:6 When Esau saw that Isaac had blessed Jacob, and sent him away to Padanaram, to take him a wife from thence; and that as he blessed him he gave him a charge, saying, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan;

These are the sons that were in Babylon at the time Southern Israel was invaded and taken hostage to Babylon. During their time of being in hostage they took wife of daughters of Esau who were also of Cain.

When Babylon's king decided to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem many of the children of Esau went to Jerusalem to help build it. They also took positions that Juda had held.

Jesus recognized these children who called themselves Jews by this time and told them they were the children of the devil.

Long story but it relates to the fact that these are children who called themselves Jews who were not.

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 

[Bobby Jo]

...

As I said twice now ...


To All,
Some people PREFER to be blind:

2 Tim. 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths.​

Bobby Jo

 

[Enoch111]

Placed On IGNORE.

That is a mistake. If you wish to refute quietthinker (which I do from time to time), you've got to see what he has to say. I do not put anyone on ignore, but simply skip what is of no value.

 

[Bobby Jo]

... simply skip what is of no value.

It's what I do for @Enoch111, -- oh wait that's YOU. And in this case, I think I'll IGNORE your advice.

Thanks for thinking of me!
Bobby Jo

 

[Yan]

Anti Christ and Mistery Babylonian was led us to the Eupherates gods (Joshua 24:14-17) which worshiped by ancient Babylonians, until now the beast who have 7 heads are led to the Ifrit (the demonic beast in Islam which killed all prophets and apostles of God in Revelation 18). And the harlot who drunk with all kings was refers to the teaching of sexual sunnah in Islam (all porn industry are influenced by this teaching).

Reference :
- babylonian demon :
Ifrit - Wikipedia
- harlot :
Sexual Techniques

 

[Bobby Jo]

... until now the beast who have 7 heads are ...

Yeah, -- what we need you to do is identify BY NAME the SEVEN HEADS, TEN HORNS, and the LEOPARD, LION, and BEAR. as to EXACTLY what/who they represent; and then identify BY NAME what the BEAST represents, and who the FALSE PROPHET is.

... and good luck on that.
Bobby Jo

 

[Yan]

Yeah, -- what we need you to do is identify BY NAME the SEVEN HEADS, TEN HORNS, and the LEOPARD, LION, and BEAR. as to EXACTLY what/who they represent; and then identify BY NAME what the BEAST represents, and who the FALSE PROPHET is.

... and good luck on that.
Bobby Jo

Of course the false prophet was at 1400 years ago, and hitler was the man who follow Hassassin ideology (Nizari Ismaili state) and create New Order system. So, don't be fooled by seeking who's the one to blame, but many people who live today had been deceived by the system. Does anti christ in today's reality only one person or many ?
Because all church teaching are biased with modern and prosperity gospel, no one follows as his true disciples.

 

[Rocky Wiley]

Well, as I suggested in my Reply to your question, -- I didn't think you really wanted to know what Scripture and History support. So I guess I'm not surprised. Disappointed that you're as dishonest and lazy as so many others, -- YES --, but not surprised.

Bobby Jo

Would you please place me on your ignore list.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Would you please place me on your ignore list.

You certainly are a STRONG CANDIDATE, -- because they only thing that you said worthwhile is that -- Revelation eludes you --. So then what value do you bring?!? [Rhetorical question.]

But I on the other hand have explained portions of Revelation which you apparently can't/won't receive. So why do you waste your time reading ANY of my Posts? -- Have you considered just admiring yourself in the mirror and IGNORING all else in this ESCHATOLOGY Section?

Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

... many people who live today had been deceived by ...

... people who can't/won't answer what is asked but distract the conversation with utter nonsense.

Bobby Jo

 

[Yan]

... people who can't/won't answer what is asked but distract the conversation with utter nonsense.

Bobby Jo

It's not refers to one man only but refers to a group of people because the term "her" refers to the people of God himself (Isaiah 62:4-5), but they were abondoning the law of God and deceived by the devil. So, who was she the harlot of babylonians ?
As we know, Islamic peoples was a part of Israel which known as palestine/philistine, and the Qedarites/Nabatean (Zohar) and their ancestor was Aaron (that's why Aaron tomb was laid at Nabatean Petra Jordan). But they were chose the wrong way and rise a king as the messiah called as mohammed. So, you can dig down all of their teaching was not bring their people to God instead of mislead them and worshiping Ba'al and other fallen angels of the Giants in the day of Enoch.