What Is A Christian?

[amadeus]

therein lies the value of walking out your front door, broke imo

 

[GodsGrace]

People who are already dead require no further judgment. All that is needed is for someone to throw the dirt over their faces when their time to walk around in death is finished. They had hope until they ran out of time.

What I heard is that they do get their judgement -- find out that God exists --- and then, poof!

(who can know for sure???)

 

[mjrhealth]

But Krishna taught the same concept and he wasn't Christian!

Ye and even atheists and muslims often do better works than christians.

 

[GodsGrace]

Ye and even atheists and muslims often do better works than christians.

That wasn't my point I'm sure.
Even though you didn't post my entire statement, as usual here, so how can I even remember what I said.

 

[bbyrd009]

People who are already dead require no further judgment.

good point--we envision a literal, possibly mass judgement, when judgement likely occurs in the now

 

[bbyrd009]

Ye and even atheists and muslims often do better works than christians.

little children, do not be deceived...

 

[bbyrd009]

That wasn't my point I'm sure.
Even though you didn't post my entire statement, as usual here, so how can I even remember what I said.

This is good Job.
But Krishna taught the same concept and he wasn't Christian!
Any other thoughts?

i would say "go, Krishna!" but it would surely be misunderstood--but at least then we would see who has the letter of the law i guess. So, ya--go, Krishna

27A man who is physically uncircumcised, but who fulfills the law, will judge you who are a lawbreaker in spite of having the letter of the law and circumcision.

 

[GodsGrace]

good point--we envision a literal, possibly mass judgement, when judgement likely occurs in the now

What about Hebrews 9:27?
It is appointed for man to die ONCE, and THEN comes the judgement...

 

[GodsGrace]

i would say "go, Krishna!" but it would surely be misunderstood--but at least then we would see who has the letter of the law i guess. So, ya--go, Krishna

27A man who is physically uncircumcised, but who fulfills the law, will judge you who are a lawbreaker in spite of having the letter of the law and circumcision.

Krishna was a light.
Are you the one who Always quotes about the eye being light or dark?

I'm more than certain that some Krishna believers will get into that gate before some Christians will. Mathew 7:22-23
Some believe this to mean unsaved persons --- I believe it means persons who think they are saved but are not following Christ.

 

[bbyrd009]

What about Hebrews 9:27?
It is appointed for man to die ONCE, and THEN comes the judgement...

not to dispute that, but

27And just as it is appointed for people to die once — and after this, judgment —
28so also the Messiah, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him.

is possibly using a play on words to get a different point across; unless you believe that Christ needs to literally appear again, to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him. Iow is it finished, or not?

 

[bbyrd009]

Krishna was a light.

does seem like, ya

Are you the one who Always quotes about the eye being light or dark?

hmm. i have quoted the eye is the lamp of the body a few times recently i guess, ya

I'm more than certain that some Krishna believers will get into that gate before some Christians will.

ah, what gate?

Some believe this to mean unsaved persons --- I believe it means persons who think they are saved but are not following Christ.

= imo

 

[GodsGrace]

not to dispute that, but

27And just as it is appointed for people to die once — and after this, judgment —
28so also the Messiah, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him.

is possibly using a play on words to get a different point across; unless you believe that Christ needs to literally appear again, to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him. Iow is it finished, or not?

I read Hebrews 9:27-28 in 3 different bibles; one Italian and the YLT.

I understand this to mean that a person physically dies once. He is judged immediately (and is really already judged before Death) and who is saved will be in the presence of God.

Jesus appearing again refers to His second coming, which is not to bring a sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin, but to bring what salvation of the entire world will accomplish...the new earth.

Yes. IT IS FINISHED. Jesus COMPLETED His task.

What say you?
And don't speak in riddles!
Thanks.

 

[GodsGrace]

does seem like, ya

hmm. i have quoted the eye is the lamp of the body a few times recently i guess, ya
ah, what gate?

= imo

What gate?
THE GATE!!!
You know, the one where St. Peter is waiting!


Yes. Some who think they are getting into the narrow gate, will not get in.
And some who think they are NOT getting into the narrow gate, will get in.

 

[bbyrd009]

I understand this to mean that a person physically dies once. He is judged immediately (and is really already judged before Death) and who is saved will be in the presence of God.

but as you have noted, it might be the parenthesis that matters?
this is the maximum level of being with me - Google Search

 

[bbyrd009]

Jesus appearing again refers to His second coming,

which is not to be taken literally either, even if it is a completely true and real thing that happens to a precious few.
It is another way to say "when Christ is revealed in you" imo, iow what Paul meant by "absent from the body," which can be accomplished while your heart is still beating, by dying to self

 

[bbyrd009]

Yes. IT IS FINISHED. Jesus COMPLETED His task.

millions of Hebrews walked under the door sprinkled with blood and left Egypt Free Men; but only two made it to the Promised Land, right. Meaning that the rest did not follow, which is all they would have needed to do, but they did not. Jesus saved them, too, see, but it did not avail them any

 

[bbyrd009]

And don't speak in riddles!

lol--but you cannot state a single absolute truth from Scripture, that cannot be Scripturally contested; so i suggest that riddles are the best way to approach truth, even though i am not doing that on purpose anyway

 

[bbyrd009]

What gate?
THE GATE!!!
You know, the one where St. Peter is waiting!

hilarious to me, the stuff we make up, because there is no Scriptural analogue lol.
This "gate" thing is a lie made up by believers who think heaven is a place that they might go to after they die.
There is no Peter at the Pearly Gates anywhere in the Book lol

Yes. Some who think they are getting into the narrow gate, will not get in.
And some who think they are NOT getting into the narrow gate, will get in.

a different concept though right, we call those gates by various terms, those are not the Pearly Gates semantically speaking

 

[amadeus]

What I heard is that they do get their judgement -- find out that God exists --- and then, poof!

(who can know for sure???)

"The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish." Psalm 1:4-6

 

[bbyrd009]

"The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish." Psalm 1:4-6

see, all that happens in real-time, right