What Is A Christian?

[bbyrd009]

Ideally of course when we are speaking of the things of God, we need to know God's meaning. He always knows His meaning, but all of the denominations are a pretty good indication that a lot of people are understanding Him differently. Hmmm!?!

If the analogy of nations is used for denominations, it might be seen that a healthy diet for you is not a healthy diet for an Eskimo, and no amount of verbal agreement @ "healthy diet" is going to matter

 

[amadeus]

well, i could comment on that, but it would all be from hindsight, and imo the point is likely to experience it and make one's own mistakes lol. Suffice it to say that you are going to be "wrong" to them though, too.

You are not going to be in any kind of control iow.
For most people, you are going to be in hell.

The situation is unique in that you prolly are not meeting peers from a setting of mutual understanding, a church or whatever, where you might have things in common--though i guess you could if you aimed that way--but more like you are being rescued, to their minds, even though you know God has sent these people to you. Hence the direction to stay in one house, which you are going to want to change houses, too.

People who believe I am going to hell, would likely not understand if I were to say that often I am in hell in the here and now. Hopefully that is the worst hell I will ever experience... I am what people would call an annihilationalist by the way. LOL That really does upset some. Few are interested in hearing my side.

 

[bbyrd009]

People who believe I am going to hell, would likely not understand if I were to say that often I am in hell in the here and now. Hopefully that is the worst hell I will ever experience... I am what people would call an annihilationalist by the way. LOL That really does upset some. Few are interested in hearing my side.

Understand I AM, i guess, ya. Or don't, whatever, right. God prolly does not agree with all the plans i have made for my eternity lol

 

[amadeus]

might be possible, but i don't think that is what is meant by "agreement" anyway, "verbal agreement." nope. The reason i don't think that is because that is what we do now, befriend those who have stated a similar view to ours on a matter, or even that we see doing some little thing the same way we do it or something. These are just the people we judge to be "right" i think

Well, my friend [if that word is OK LOL], I truly have had few real friends during my 73 years. I can count on the fingers of one hand the ones I could really confide in... My wife is the closest and we also could grown closer. What I am looking for and have been looking for most of my life, is seldom close to what most people I have met have been looking for. When I was young I expected more and was very often disappointed. Now I expect less and am still often disappointed. The scripture says:

"A man that hath friends must shew himself friendly: and there is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother." Prov 18:24

I have tried that although being a bit of an unconverted introvert for so many years has worked against me. Nonetheless, I have encountered a couple. Presently I have one who comes close, but no one including his wife really likes him at all. My wife doesn't like him, but she tolerates my association with him because she knows there is no one else but herself.

 

[amadeus]

If the analogy of nations is used for denominations, it might be seen that a healthy diet for you is not a healthy diet for an Eskimo, and no amount of verbal agreement @ "healthy diet" is going to matter

Of course, you are correct. This is another reason why I see everyone who believes in God and Jesus at all as being in a measure double minded.

What differences we have without God sometimes are at extremely distant opposite corners. People who really come to God and then pay attention to what He says to their hearts will also move toward one another, but it is not so easy as some people want to make it. For God anything is possible but He put the greatest of stumbling blocks in place: people with the ability to say, No to God.

 

[amadeus]

Understand I AM, i guess, ya. Or don't, whatever, right. God prolly does not agree with all the plans i have made for my eternity lol

"For the ways of man are before the eyes of the LORD, and he pondereth all his goings." Prov 5:21

 

[GodsGrace]

People who believe I am going to hell, would likely not understand if I were to say that often I am in hell in the here and now. Hopefully that is the worst hell I will ever experience... I am what people would call an annihilationalist by the way. LOL That really does upset some. Few are interested in hearing my side.

HI Amadeus
I know some priests (more than one) that believe in annihilation.
This does not bother me, although I don't believe it's correct.
I feel that it does not affect anyone's salvation.
There are some doctrine that I feel COULD affect a person's spirit and they are the only ones I'm willing to discuss.

My two cents...

 

[twinc]

listening opens doors that talking shuts, i noticed

imho - a good way to know who or what is a Christian would be imho to first know/understand who or what is not a Christian and then what is left would be Christians imho - twinc

 

[amadeus]

HI Amadeus
I know some priests (more than one) that believe in annihilation.
This does not bother me, although I don't believe it's correct.
I feel that it does not affect anyone's salvation.
There are some doctrine that I feel COULD affect a person's spirit and they are the only ones I'm willing to discuss.

My two cents...

Within reason I am willing to discuss. I don't want to argue or to butt my head against a brick wall. Otherwise you name it. I have more than one belief that the larger Protestant denominations don't support and sometimes they don't like them. But, my beliefs are just that. I would change them if I thought they were wrong. There are some things that I will often avoid or leave alone as talking about them with most people will edify no one.

Trinity - I don't condemn it, but neither do I believe in it or embrace it. I am not Oneness, Jesus only although I once was. I haven't discussed this in a long time [years]. When I did my own outlook was different and stronger in the negative [against the trinity]. I doubt that there is anything a person could say or any scripture that I haven't seen or heard before.

Hell - I believe in hell because the Bible speaks of it. I am careful not to define it too closely because I really cannot. The annihilationism goes along with that but they are not precisely the same.

Angels - I believe the Bible speaks of two kinds. People have a tendency to say that there is only one kind, the heavenly one. My two are the human messenger sent by God such as John the Baptist and the 3rd heaven angels who are not men, but may appear as men [at least superficially].

Heavens - three, not the usual designations that many Christians describe although I am not really opposed to their descriptions.

There may be others that would raise eyebrows among some traditionalists, but they don't come to mind at the moment. The above list was put together just off the top of my head.

If you wish to discuss one of them, it would probably be better to do it on another thread.

 

[lforrest]

How long does it take for the annihilation to complete following the judgement?

 

[GodsGrace]

Within reason I am willing to discuss. I don't want to argue or to butt my head against a brick wall. Otherwise you name it. I have more than one belief that the larger Protestant denominations don't support and sometimes they don't like them. But, my beliefs are just that. I would change them if I thought they were wrong. There are some things that I will often avoid or leave alone as talking about them with most people will edify no one.

Trinity - I don't condemn it, but neither do I believe in it or embrace it. I am not Oneness, Jesus only although I once was. I haven't discussed this in a long time [years]. When I did my own outlook was different and stronger in the negative [against the trinity]. I doubt that there is anything a person could say or any scripture that I haven't seen or heard before.

Hell - I believe in hell because the Bible speaks of it. I am careful not to define it too closely because I really cannot. The annihilationism goes along with that but they are not precisely the same.

Angels - I believe the Bible speaks of two kinds. People have a tendency to say that there is only one kind, the heavenly one. My two are the human messenger sent by God such as John the Baptist and the 3rd heaven angels who are not men, but may appear as men [at least superficially].

Heavens - three, not the usual designations that many Christians describe although I am not really opposed to their descriptions.

There may be others that would raise eyebrows among some traditionalists, but they don't come to mind at the moment. The above list was put together just off the top of my head.

If you wish to discuss one of them, it would probably be better to do it on another thread.

Will start a thread on the Trinity Tomorrow morning. It's almost midnight here.
Please look for it. That's the one I'm interested in since it's something I believe NO ONE really understands.

 

[amadeus]

Will start a thread on the Trinity Tomorrow morning. It's almost midnight here.
Please look for it. That's the one I'm interested in since it's something I believe NO ONE really understands.

As you say. I'll be watching for it.

 

[GodsGrace]

As you say. I'll be watching for it.

Where??
Bible study?

 

[amadeus]

Where??
Bible study?

That's fine. I simply look my "alerts" and "new posts" each time I visit the forum. That usually shows me anything of interest. But, I'll be certain to check out that particular sub-forum if not seen elsewhere.

 

[lforrest]

Where??
Bible study?

Theology is where most put their Trinity topics. The Trinity discussions never end.

 

[amadeus]

Theology is where most put their Trinity topics. The Trinity discussions never end.

That will work fine. Thanks for the assist.

 

[twinc]

Theology is where most put their Trinity topics. The Trinity discussions never end.

no problem = 1x1x1 = 1 - twinc

 

[bbyrd009]

Of course, you are correct. This is another reason why I see everyone who believes in God and Jesus at all as being in a measure double minded.

What differences we have without God sometimes are at extremely distant opposite corners. People who really come to God and then pay attention to what He says to their hearts will also move toward one another, but it is not so easy as some people want to make it. For God anything is possible but He put the greatest of stumbling blocks in place: people with the ability to say, No to God.

therein lies the value of walking out your front door, broke imo

 

[bbyrd009]

imho - a good way to know who or what is a Christian would be imho to first know/understand who or what is not a Christian and then what is left would be Christians imho - twinc

might do, but only for the moment surely

 

[amadeus]

How long does it take for the annihilation to complete following the judgement?

People who are already dead require no further judgment. All that is needed is for someone to throw the dirt over their faces when their time to walk around in death is finished. They had hope until they ran out of time.