mikecpking
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Here's a hint, and it's a dad-gum big one.
2 Cor 5:1-10
1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved (kataluo), we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
Our "earthly house of this tabernacle" is our flesh body. If it is dissolved (demolish, destroyed), no worry, for we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens, i.e., a heavenly body. Paul makes a clean distinction between an earthly flesh body and a heavenly spiritual type body, revealing they each are of two separate dimensions of existence.
But what the materialist 'dead in the ground' theory teaches, is that if our flesh body is dissolved and no more, then there's nothing left that can exist! What of those in war who's flesh bodies were actually dissolved by an explosion, literally turned into vapor? According to Apostle Paul, there exists another 'house', eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
While here in the earthly dimension in our flesh bodies, "we" groan in desiring to be clothed with our house from heaven. He reveals that something inside us is not the same thing as our earthly house, nor our heavenly house. Wonder what it is? And how can it be found "naked" in that sense?
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
Our flesh is NOT the part of us that groans, for we know the fate of our flesh is to go back to the elements of the dust where it came from, even as Paul said that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption (1 Cor.15:50).
5 Now He That hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, Who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
God has given those in Christ "the earnest of the Spirit". Is that the same "spirit" that animals are imbued with? Is that about an animating spirit which all living things have? Obviously not, otherwise all men, and even all living creatures would be "born again" of The Spirit, a requirement for only those in His Salvation.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
What does he mean that while we are at home in our earthly body, we are absent from the Lord? Again, Paul makes a distinction between two dimensions of existence, the earthy and the heavenly.
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
How can we be absent from our body and be present with the Lord? Does that have something to do with Eccl.12:5-7 with our spirit going back to God Who gave it? Yes. It reveals that spirit idea in Eccl.12 is not just about the idea of animating spirit which all living creatures have.
Spirit here is the breath of life as described in Genesis 2:7, not the essence of a person as teh Hebrews had no notion of dualism
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of Him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
(KJV)
Where is it written that we all will appear before the judgment seat of Christ in flesh bodies?
There is no resurrection for the flesh as described in 1 Cor 15, rather we will have a new resurrection body and we will all stand before the throne of God at Judgement.. This is written in revelation.
Lev 26:11
11 And I will set My tabernacle among you: and My soul (nephesh) shall not abhor you.
(KJV)
How is it that God Himself speaks of His Own Soul, if the idea of having a soul is only about living in a flesh body? Is GOD flesh?
In this case, God is speaking about his emotions as emotions of a physical kind (ie rage) is linked to 'nephesh'.
Ps 16:10
10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt Thou suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption.
(KJV)
How is a soul able to go into hell in the first place, if it dies with the flesh body at flesh death?
Good point, but a corpse is lowered into the grave before it is turned back into dust would be the correct interpreation rather than a disembodied essence going to a Dante's style hell. . This is obviously a link to Christ's time in the grave and the idea of 'corruption' is the decaying of the body back into dust.
Hi,Ps 9:17
17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
(KJV)
I understand the confusion, but it is more a question of definition of what a 'soul' is.
The passages that Paul were refering to is the resurrection body and so that scripture does not contradict itself, when Paul is speaking about being absent from the body and be present with the Lord is that his next waking moment will be at the resurrection with the Lord (1 cor 15).
'Soul' in scripture is the whole living person or even a corpse before it decomposes into its 'building' material, ie dust (Gen 2:7, Gen 3:19, Ecclesiates 12:7).
So the scriptures you posted (KJV) from the OT, 'hell' is translated from the Hebrew word 'sheol' which is, to the Hebrew the abode of all the dead (the Grave) and 'soul' is translated from the Hebrew word 'nephesh' which in the verses you posted simply must be understood as 'me' (the personal pronoun) as the Hebrews had no word for the whole person other than a 'nephesh'.
Here is something on soul definition:
THE PICTURE - WINDOWS Nephesh - Psyche - Soul
The important passage in Genesis 2:7 sets the scene for this 'window - word' into the nature of personhood. An individual becomes a 'nephesh' from the infusion of divine breath into moulded dust. In physical terms 'nephesh' means, 'neck', 'throat', 'gullet' and came to mean 'life', that 'vital motion' which distinguishes a living being from a corpse.
'Nephesh' has such a variety of senses that we must make a careful definition in each particular case. Meanings overlap and are used side by side. It is easy to end up with contradictory statements about 'nephesh'. Here are some of the central statements about 'nephesh':-
• it is that vital life which is shared by both humans and animals [Gen 2:19].
• it is life that is bound up with the body, blood is the vehicle of nephesh [Dt 12:23], at death it dies [Nu 23:10] draining away with the blood, with resuscitation it 'returns'; not that it has gone anywhere.
• it can denote 'the living individual themselves' [Gen 14:21], and can replace the personal pronoun to create special emphasis [Ps 42:6], God uses it of himself [Am 6:8].
• it is strongly instinctive [animal] activity; desire, vital urge, feeling, emotion, mood [Dt 14:26].
• it is feelings and emotions of a spiritual kind; grief, pain, joy, peace, love [Ezk 27:31]; its highest expression is longing for God [Ps 25:1].
The New Testament uses the Greek 'psyche' with the sense of the Hebrew 'nephesh'. Paul's writings are significant for how rarely he uses it. The Synoptics are interesting in that one third of their usage refers to life beyond death [Mt 10:28,39; 16:25-26; Mk 8:35-37; Lk 9:24; 21:19], due to the overlap of present and future in the Kingdom of God; revolutionary in terms of its Hebrew roots.
This 'nephesh' is primarily the life of the whole person in terms of strongly instinctive [animal] activity. It reflects the glory and richness of God's gift of life to him though susceptible to death. It is not an independent substance which, as many have argued, survives death.