What is dogma?

[theefaith]

Thank you. I think I understand what you believe.

You believe that Christianity, after the death of Christ, started out as an oral tradition about Jesus and then turned into a written tradition about Him. Upon the "autographs being published" (27 books of the NT) they took place of the oral traditions.


No where in Scripture does it say the 1st century Christians are to STOP holding fast to the oral traditions they were taught and only hold fast to the written word!!

Since there were 24 books written 30-50 years AFTER 2 Thessalonians wouldn't the Apostles, before they died, have written a command telling all Christians to stop relying on oral tradition and only rely on the written letters from them?



Mary

Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles (plural) but all did not write

 

[DaChaser]

Matt 28:19 I am with you (the apostles) until the end

nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized
If there are no apostles there’s no covenant no church and no salvation

The true church of Christ is NOT Rome, and we have the foundation of the Apostles already laid in for theology!

 

[DaChaser]

where does the Bible say you can read the Bible and make your own faith eph 4:5 one Lord on faith one baptism

The Holy Spirit Himself teaches the scripturas, not Rome

 

[DaChaser]

the HS leads the apostles into all truth and they teach us. Acts 8 Jn 16:13


We must be taught by Peter, the apostles, and their successors! Matt 28:19 Jn 21:17

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Acts 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

The True Church of Jesus is NOT Rome, as it was in history created at pentacost, way before Rome!

 

[DaChaser]

Thank you. I think I understand what you believe.

You believe that Christianity, after the death of Christ, started out as an oral tradition about Jesus and then turned into a written tradition about Him. Upon the "autographs being published" (27 books of the NT) they took place of the oral traditions.


No where in Scripture does it say the 1st century Christians are to STOP holding fast to the oral traditions they were taught and only hold fast to the written word!!

James, 1 Thessalonians and possibly Galatians were written BEFORE 2 Thessalonians. What written traditions in those 3 books where the 1st Century Christians being told to hold fast to?

Since there were 24 books written 30-50 years AFTER 2 Thessalonians wouldn't the Apostles, before they died, have written a command telling all Christians to stop relying on oral tradition and only rely on the written letters from them?



Mary

There is NO authority apart from inspired scriptures...

 

[theefaith]

The Holy Spirit Himself teaches the scripturas, not Rome

matt 28:19 apostles are to teach after they are lead into all truth by the HS otherwise you have spiritual anarchy

 

[DaChaser]

matt 28:19 apostles are to teach after they are lead into all truth by the HS otherwise you have spiritual anarchy

The Scriptures are the teaching and theology of the Apostles unto us now!

 

[theefaith]

The True Church of Jesus is NOT Rome, as it was in history created at pentacost, way before Rome!

Rome is just a city the head of the church is Christ built on the prophets of the OT and apostles eph 2:20

God always establishes order in obedience to hierarchical authority!

The angelic order!
The church order!
The family order!
The civil order!

All require obedience to hierarchical authority!

The church is not a democracy but a kingdom!

 

[DNB]

Thank you. I think I understand what you believe.

You believe that Christianity, after the death of Christ, started out as an oral tradition about Jesus and then turned into a written tradition about Him. Upon the "autographs being published" (27 books of the NT) they took place of the oral traditions.


No where in Scripture does it say the 1st century Christians are to STOP holding fast to the oral traditions they were taught and only hold fast to the written word!!

James, 1 Thessalonians and possibly Galatians were written BEFORE 2 Thessalonians. What written traditions in those 3 books where the 1st Century Christians being told to hold fast to?

Since there were 24 books written 30-50 years AFTER 2 Thessalonians wouldn't the Apostles, before they died, have written a command telling all Christians to stop relying on oral tradition and only rely on the written letters from them?



Mary

Yes, you are correct, but they are one and the same. The 1st century Apostles spread the Word orally, but simultaneously, it was being written down. So yes, chronologically, one did not necessarily precede the other in its entirety, but both occurred during the same period, up until the end of the 1st century. One does not contradict the other. But, what proceeded after the death of the Apostles and the writing of the Book of Revelation (last letter written), I don't believe has apostolic authority. It becomes much too subjective, unregulated, and conflicting/chaotic at this point.

 

[theefaith]

Yes, you are correct, but they are one and the same. The 1st century Apostles spread the Word orally, but simultaneously, it was being written down. So yes, chronologically, one did not necessarily precede the other in its entirety, but both occurred during the same period, up until the end of the 1st century. One does not contradict the other. But, what proceeded after the death of the Apostles and the writing of the Book of Revelation (last letter written), I don't believe has apostolic authority. It becomes much too subjective, unregulated, and conflicting/chaotic at this point.

that’s not what Jesus and the Bible say matt 28:19 I am with you (the church the apostles) until the end

 

[Marymog]

The scriptures, and the illumination of the Holy Spirit!

Got it....You rely on you!

 

[Marymog]

Those so called traditions were oral doctrines that were approved by the Apostles, but none living today!

I don't understand what you are saying. What is not "living today"?

 

[DNB]

that’s not what Jesus and the Bible say matt 28:19 I am with you (the church the apostles) until the end

Not to give infallibility to his adherents, nor to offer new doctrines and dogma. But, to support, enlighten and edify his elect, with understanding of the pre-established God-ordained, Christian dogma, that ended after the 1st century.

 

[Marymog]

There is NO authority apart from inspired scriptures...

What do YOU consider Scripture and why?

 

[Marymog]

Yes, you are correct, but they are one and the same. The 1st century Apostles spread the Word orally, but simultaneously, it was being written down. So yes, chronologically, one did not necessarily precede the other in its entirety, but both occurred during the same period, up until the end of the 1st century. One does not contradict the other. But, what proceeded after the death of the Apostles and the writing of the Book of Revelation (last letter written), I don't believe has apostolic authority. It becomes much too subjective, unregulated, and conflicting/chaotic at this point.

Hold on.....are you saying Revelation should not considered inspired Scripture?

 

[DNB]

Hold on.....are you saying Revelation should not considered inspired Scripture?

Revelation was written 90ad.

 

[Marymog]

The Holy Spirit Himself teaches the scripturas, not Rome

Teaches Scripture to WHOM?

 

[Marymog]

Revelation was written 90ad.

That is not an answer to a very direct question.....

 

[DNB]

That is not an answer to a very direct question.....

Mama Mia, yes it was. I said after the first century, apostolic authority ended. Therefore, since Revelation was written within the 1st century (90 ad), it has apostolic authority.

 

[Marymog]

Yes, you are correct, but they are one and the same. The 1st century Apostles spread the Word orally, but simultaneously, it was being written down. So yes, chronologically, one did not necessarily precede the other in its entirety, but both occurred during the same period, up until the end of the 1st century. One does not contradict the other. But, what proceeded after the death of the Apostles and the writing of the Book of Revelation (last letter written), I don't believe has apostolic authority. It becomes much too subjective, unregulated, and conflicting/chaotic at this point.

Thank you DNB.


Soooo where does Scripture tell us to STOP holding fast to oral traditions and tell us to hold fast only to the words the Apostles wrote? I can't find it.