What Is Eternal Life?

[Webers_Home]

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Of one thing I'm pretty sure: Though eternal life is immortal; eternal life
isn't immortality. For instance when Christ says: "I assure you, those who
heed my message, and trust in God who sent me, have eternal life" he isn't
saying that they have immortality. The proof of that is all around us. Every
day, around the clock, Christ's believing followers die all the time, just like
everybody else. In point of fact, Christ had eternal life (John 5:26, 1John
1:2) yet was easily killed by crucifixion.

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[clark thompson]

The life He gives us is in the spirit and it does not go away with our bodily death.

 

[Butch5]

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Of one thing I'm pretty sure: Though eternal life is immortal; eternal life
isn't immortality. For instance when Christ says: "I assure you, those who
heed my message, and trust in God who sent me, have eternal life" he isn't
saying that they have immortality. The proof of that is all around us. Every
day, around the clock, Christ's believing followers die all the time, just like
everybody else. In point of fact, Christ had eternal life (John 5:26, 1John
1:2) yet was easily killed by crucifixion.

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Eternal life is to live forever. Believers will achieve that state at the resurrection.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Note the grammatical tense of the "have" verb in Christ's statements: it's
present tense rather than future, indicating that his believing followers have
eternal life right now-- no delay and no waiting period.

†. John 6:54 . .Whoever who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal
life

†. John 3:36 . . He who believes in the Son has eternal life

†. John 6:47 . .Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

†. John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my message and trust in God
who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins,
but they have already passed from Death into Life.

According to God's testimony, as an unimpeachable expert witness:
Christians lacking eternal life are also lacking His son; viz: they are quite
literally christless Christians.

†. 1John 5:11-12 . . And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life,
and this life is in His son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not
have the life, does not have God's son.

Christians lacking God's son are excluded from his sheep.

†. Rom 8:9 . . If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not
belong to Christ.

Q: Why do some Christians get to have eternal life now while other
Christians will never be endowed with it; either in this life or the next?

A: According to Christ's testimony as per John 5:24; some are excluded
because 1) they have yet to heed his message, and 2) they don't believe in
God.

Q: But all Christians believe in God. What are you talking about?

A: Believing in God entails more than simply believing that He exists; but
also relying upon what He says. Take for example 1John 5:11-12. Christians
unable to believe that passage is actually true and reliable are subtly
insinuating that God is a dishonest person of marginal integrity who can't be
trusted to tell the truth.

†. 1John 5:10 . . Anyone who does not believe God has made Him out to be
a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about His
son.

Probably most Christians would never deliberately cast an aspersion upon
God's integrity, but they do it inadvertently on a regular basis by their
inability to trust that everything God says is true and reliable.

Take for example this:

†. John 6:54 . .Whoever who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal
life

Supposing transubstantiation were true. Then according to John 6:54,
Christians who take a full communion on Sunday morning would be endowed
with eternal life the very minute that the elements went down the hatch. In
point of fact, the moment they swallowed the elements, those who
ingested them would be impervious to the wages of sin seeing as how
eternal life is divine; viz: it's a kind of life over which death has no power.
Can God die? No? Then neither can eternal life.

†. Rom 6:23 . .The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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[Butch5]

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Note the grammatical tense of the "have" verb in Christ's statements: it's
present tense rather than future, indicating that his believing followers have
eternal life right now-- no delay and no waiting period.

†. John 6:54 . .Whoever who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal
life

†. John 3:36 . . He who believes in the Son has eternal life

†. John 6:47 . .Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

†. John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my message and trust in God
who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins,
but they have already passed from Death into Life.

According to God's testimony, as an unimpeachable expert witness:
Christians lacking eternal life are also lacking His son; viz: they are quite
literally christless Christians.

†. 1John 5:11-12 . . And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life,
and this life is in His son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not
have the life, does not have God's son.

Christians lacking God's son are excluded from his sheep.

†. Rom 8:9 . . If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not
belong to Christ.

Q: Why do some Christians get to have eternal life now while other
Christians will never be endowed with it; either in this life or the next?

A: According to Christ's testimony as per John 5:24; some are excluded
because 1) they have yet to heed his message, and 2) they don't believe in
God.

Q: But all Christians believe in God. What are you talking about?

A: Believing in God entails more than simply believing that He exists; but
also relying upon what He says. Take for example 1John 5:11-12. Christians
unable to believe that passage is actually true and reliable are subtly
insinuating that God is a dishonest person of marginal integrity who can't be
trusted to tell the truth.

†. 1John 5:10 . . Anyone who does not believe God has made Him out to be
a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about His
son.

Probably most Christians would never deliberately cast an aspersion upon
God's integrity, but they do it inadvertently on a regular basis by their
inability to trust that everything God says is true and reliable.

Take for example this:

†. John 6:54 . .Whoever who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal
life

Supposing transubstantiation were true. Then according to John 6:54,
Christians who take a full communion on Sunday morning would be endowed
with eternal life the very minute that the elements went down the hatch. In
point of fact, the moment they swallowed the elements, those who
ingested them would be impervious to the wages of sin seeing as how
eternal life is divine; viz: it's a kind of life over which death has no power.
Can God die? No? Then neither can eternal life.

†. Rom 6:23 . .The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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Take note that all of the passage that speak of having eternal life now are from John. The believer has eternal life in the sense that one has the Spirit. it is the Spirit that gives life. However, that is a down payment. If the believer had eternal life now he would not die, yet, we see that believers die all the time, thus they do not now possess eternal life. They have the down payment on eternal life in that they have the Spirit dwelling in them.

KJV John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. (Jn. 6:63 KJV)

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? (1 Cor. 15:1 KJV)

 

[Webers_Home]

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According to Gen 1:1-31, John 1:1-4, and 1John 1:1-2, there is only one
eternal life; and that's God. All other forms of life are created life; which is
life that had beginnings.

Seeing as how eternal life is God, then eternal life had no beginning; viz: it
always was, it always is, and it always will be; ergo: eternal life is not only
ageless and deathless, but eternal life is self-existent.

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[Webers_Home]

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All forms of life produce natures intrinsic to their own kind. For example:
human nature is intrinsic to human life, coyote nature is intrinsic to coyote
life, fruit bat nature is intrinsic to fruit bat life, and divine nature is intrinsic
to eternal life. So then, people with eternal life have the potential to think,
feel, and act just like God.

†. 2Pet 1:4 . . He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises,
in order that by them you might become partakers of the divine nature

People without eternal life of course have no potential whatsoever to think,
feel, and act like God. They'll always and forever think, feel, and act the way
that human beings have always thought, felt, and acted.

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[Bible_Gazer]

Eternal life is a gift

that will be our reward for believing and living it in righteousness

others will not have the gift of eternal life

 

[Barrd]

If one has the Holy Spirit within him, then he has already passed from death into life.
The Holy Spirit cannot die...

 

[Webers_Home]

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Eternal life is a gift that will be our reward for believing and living it in
righteousness.

Note the grammatical tense of the "have" verb in Christ's statements: it's
present tense rather than future, indicating that his believing followers have
eternal life right now-- no delay and no waiting period.

†. John 6:54 . .Whoever who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal
life

†. John 3:36 . . He who believes in the Son has eternal life

†. John 6:47 . .Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

†. John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my message and trust in God
who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins,
but they have already passed from Death into Life.

According to God's testimony, as an unimpeachable expert witness:
Christians that don't have eternal life don't have His son; viz: they are quite
literally christless Christians.

†. 1John 5:11-12 . . And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life,
and this life is in His son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not
have the life, does not have God's son.

Christians lacking God's son are excluded from his sheep.

†. Rom 8:9 . . If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not
belong to Christ.

FYI: A gift is a gratuity; viz: something freely given with no strings attached
and nothing asked in return. A reward is not a gratuity, because a reward is
something that has to be earned; plus rewards can be lost, whereas gifts are
irrevocable. (Rom 11:29)

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[Bible_Gazer]

OK I see what you are saying the different between gift and rewards
You get that gift by doing something and that is believing.

but you can break your gift by breaking the law

 

[Webers_Home]

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but you can break your gift by breaking the law

Eternal life is an immortal kind of life; viz: it's impervious to death. Seeing
as that's the case; then it's impervious to the wages of sin.

†. Rom 6:23 . . The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord.

†. John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my message and trust in God
who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins,
but they have already passed from death into Life.

Webster's defines "never" as not ever, at no time, not in any degree, not
under any condition.

FYI: According to the apostle Paul, people depending upon their compliance
with the law to evade the wrath of God, are under a spell (Gal 3:1) foolish
(Gal 3:3) cursed, (Gal 3:10) in slavery (Gal 5:1) and fallen from grace (Gal
5:4).

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[Barrd]

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Eternal life is an immortal kind of life; viz: it's impervious to death. Seeing
as that's the case; then it's impervious to the wages of sin.

†. Rom 6:23 . . The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord.

†. John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my message and trust in God
who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins,
but they have already passed from death into Life.

Webster's defines "never" as not ever, at no time, not in any degree, not
under any condition.

FYI: According to the apostle Paul, people depending upon their compliance
with the law to evade the wrath of God, are under a spell (Gal 3:1) foolish
(Gal 3:3) cursed, (Gal 3:10) in slavery (Gal 5:1) and fallen from grace (Gal
5:4).

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What do you think the phrase "perseverance of the saints" means?

 

[Bible_Gazer]

I was not talking about OT laws.

There is the law of Christ Gal.6

NT law is as quoted "Wages of sin is death"
OT law was "soul that sinneth it shall die"

Disobeying still brings death.

 

[DPMartin]

No bible gazer, webers home is correct because you are not required to fulfill the law to the Father’s satisfaction. Jesus has done that for us. Hence a free gift you can’t loss. The reward is Christ’s, and belongs to Jesus Christ. We receive the Life of Christ, and loss the life of Adam that we received when we were born into the world. And were automatically condemned because we received the life that was condemned that is a life of dust to dust and from ashes to ashes. The Creator and Judge did see us through Adam, now, He sees us who believe, through His Beloved Son in whom He is well pleased. The flesh and the life received of Adam already suffers the result for sin, but the Life of Christ received by being born of the Holy Spirit cannot sin. The Life that is of God cannot sin against God. Now if you want to get into things like rewards in Heaven, I believe Paul explains it here best:

1Cor:3:11: For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12: Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13: Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14: If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15: If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Jesus told us we have to go through the fire, and Moses and Paul state that our God is a consuming fire. So that which is of God survives, that which is not will not.
There is a judgement for those who believed in Christ, and there is another judgement for those who do not believe in Christ. The two are not the same circumstances.

 

[Webers_Home]

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The Barrd said:
What do you think the phrase "perseverance of the saints" means?

Council of Trent Session 6, Chapter 16, Canon 16: If anyone says that he
will for certain, with an absolute and infallible certainty, have that great gift
of perseverance even to the end, unless he shall have learned this by a
special revelation, let him be anathema. (cf. CCC 1020)

Webster's defines "anathema" as: a ban or curse solemnly pronounced by
ecclesiastical authority and accompanied by excommunication.

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[Webers_Home]

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I was not talking about OT laws. There is the law of Christ Gal.6 --NT law is
as quoted "Wages of sin is death" Disobeying still brings death.

A portion of the information you cited is located at Rom 6:23, which reads:

"The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus
Christ our Lord."

Seeing as how eternal life is an immortal kind of life; then eternal life is
impervious to the wages of sin. Ergo: people to whom God has given eternal
life, through Jesus Christ our Lord, are in absolutely no danger of being sent
to hell for disobedience.

†. John 5:24 . . I assure you: those who heed my message, and trust in God
who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins,
but they have already passed from death into life.

Webster's defines "never" as not ever, at no time, not in any degree, not
under any condition.

FYI: The law of Christ is superior to the law of Moses in that Moses' law
contains a number of covenanted curses for disobedience (e.g. Ex 34:6-7,
Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1-69) while Christ's law contains
no covenanted curses for disobedience; which is quite an advantage for
people covenanted with Christ.

If perchance there were a law, any law, whether in heaven or in earth, that
could send Christ's covenanted followers to hell for disobedience, then Christ
died for nothing; and there would be a serious question as to his
competence as a shepherd. Christ labeled himself the good shepherd (John
10:14). Well; any shepherd who loses sheep is not a good shepherd; they're
just an average shepherd.

†. John 10:27-28 . . My sheep recognize my voice; I know them, and they
follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish.

Webster's defines "never" as not ever, at no time, not in any degree, not
under any condition.

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†. Rev 20:15 . . And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of
life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

I'm going to revise that passage a bit to bring out something. Watch for the
change.

"And if anyone's name was not written in the book of life, he was thrown
into the lake of fire."

In other words: the purpose of the Great White Throne event depicted at
Rev 20:11-15 isn't to determine who qualifies to get their name registered in
the book of life. Rev 20:15 says that when it's people's turn to be called on
the carpet, a search will be made to find their names in the book. In other
words; people's names had better already be in the book before they're
called to appear before the Throne or the outcome of their hearing will be
very disagreeable.

Well; I already know ahead of time that nobody subpoenaed to appear
before the Great White Throne will find their names in the book of life. How
do I know? Easy. According to Rev 20:12-13, they'll all be DOA (dead on
arrival).

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[Webers_Home]

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When it comes to comparisons; eternal life is far and away superior to
human life; which is a creature kind of life that had its beginning in the first
chapter of Genesis. In contrast, eternal life is not a creature kind of life, nor
did it have a beginning because eternal life always is.

†. Ex 3:13-14 . . Moses protested: If I go to the people of Israel and tell
them the god of your ancestors has sent me to you; they won't believe me.
They will ask: Which god are you talking about? What is his name? Then
what should I tell them? God replied: I am the one who always is. Just tell
them: "I am has sent me to you."

In other words: eternal life is one of the qualities of divinity.

†. 1John 1:1-2 . .That which was from the beginning, which we have heard,
which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands
have touched-this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. The life
appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the
eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.

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[ATP]

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Of one thing I'm pretty sure: Though eternal life is immortal; eternal life
isn't immortality. For instance when Christ says: "I assure you, those who
heed my message, and trust in God who sent me, have eternal life" he isn't
saying that they have immortality. The proof of that is all around us. Every
day, around the clock, Christ's believing followers die all the time, just like
everybody else. In point of fact, Christ had eternal life (John 5:26, 1John
1:2) yet was easily killed by crucifixion.

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Our faith will show, every day that we are His.