What is the…

[theefaith]

Huh?

father
Papa
Pope

Isa 22:21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

Matt 16:18-19 keys of the kingdom

 

[Taken]

what is the source of truth for Christians?

Gods Word.

What is the rule of faith for Christians?

Faith is a gift from God FOR HEARING His Word.

What is the pillar and ground of truth?

Christ Jesus the Rock.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

father
Papa
Pope

Isa 22:21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

Matt 16:18-19 keys of the kingdom

So how come your "Spirit Led" College of Cardinals elected a "Ringer" to lead your party this time???

 

[Truther]

The apostles have the divine authority! Christ and his church are one to reject them or their teaching is to reject Christ

there can be no Christian faith or religion without the divinity of Christ

otherwise it’s just tradition of men

The Apostles are dead.

Their authority was left via scripture.

Sola scriptura.

 

[Truther]

tom dick and harry are three unique persons with the same human nature

there are billions of persons with the same human nature

and there are three persons with the same divine nature

Not three gods or three lords but one God and one Lord

I have your nature?

I think not.

If I die, my nature dies too.

Silly Catholic.

 

[Truther]

father
Papa
Pope

Isa 22:21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

Matt 16:18-19 keys of the kingdom

That is about Jesus, not the Pope.

Man, you need a Bible study in a big way.

 

[theefaith]

Gods Word.

then how is it the the church of the apostles existed before the New Testament, exercised divine authority before the New Testament and wrote the New Testament???


Faith is a gift from God FOR HEARING His Word.

The apostles heard it from Christ in person not from the “Bible alone”

Christ Jesus the Rock.

He is the rock of ages and salvation but not the rock the church is built on


Only Peter and His successors have jurisdictional authority from Christ!

Peter

Peter is already administering the kingdom

Already acting in the person of Christ even acting as mediator

It is Jesus Christ who identifies peter with himself!

Matt 17:24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the houser, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

It is Jesus Christ who identifies peter with himself! Matt 17:27

Jesus Christ gives the keys of the kingdom to peter matt 16:18-19 making him prime minister applying Isa 22:21-22 to peter

It’s Christ who does this

Why is the name of peter even mentioned?

Why does Christ change Peter’s name, God changing a persons name like Abram to Abraham or Jacob to Israel always signifies a mission or ministry!

Why does Christ give him the keys of jurisdictional authority that the prime minister holds under the king to administer the kingdom? Isa 22:21-22

How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)

How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?


also have to explain
Isa 22:21-22 jurisdictional authority of the keys and called father
Matt 28:19 go teach baptize
Jn 20:21-23 same mission power and authority as christ
Eph 2:20 church built on the apostles
Matt 23 successors of Moses have the jurisdictional authority and the power to bind and loose which Christ says must be obeyed, then taken from them matt 21:43 given to Peter and the apostles and their successors

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.



Applies only to Peter as “prince of the apostles”!

Peter and his successors are the Leader of the apostles and the head of the church until Christ returns!

Matt 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter,

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Lk 22:32 Christ prayed for Peter!

Peter is head of the church!

Isa 22:21-22 21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

Matt 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matt 23:1 power and authority of the kingdom known in the keys and binding and loosing, Matt 21:43 kingdom shall be taken from you given to another who will bear fruit. (Peter the apostles in holy church Lk 22:29)

Matt 17:27 Jesus identified peter with himself.

Matt 16:17 Peter alone received revelation from the Father

Lk 22:32 Peter to strengthen his brethren (the apostles)

Jn 21:17 feed my sheep

Peter exercises his authority over the apostles and the church!

Acts 1:15
Acts 3:4
Acts 5:5 5:10
Acts 15:7

ONLY TO PETER CHRIST SAID: THOU ART PETER AND UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILT MY CHURCH, AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT!Matt 16:18

Peter is the prime minister, father, and head of the church on earth until Christ returns Isa 22:21-22

Seat of peter remains Until Christ returns
Matt 28:19-20


Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

 

[theefaith]

[QUOTE="Taken, post: 1251295, member: 7756"

Faith is a gift from God FOR HEARING His Word.

where does it say the “word of God” is only found in scripture???

 

[theefaith]

So how come your "Spirit Led" College of Cardinals elected a "Ringer" to lead your party this time???

the person of the pope is not impeccable

 

[Bob Carabbio]

the person of the pope is not impeccable

PSST!!! He's supposed to be JESUS CHRIST'S VICAR ON EARTH!!!

And you want us to take you and your religious club seriously????

 

[Taken]

[QUOTE="Taken, post: 1251295, member: 7756"

Faith is a gift from God FOR HEARING His Word.

where does it say the “word of God” is only found in scripture???

Where does it say, go search mens devised writings for Gods Truth?

It’s called POSITIVE LAW.
God expressly instructs the SCRIPTURES are worthy for HIS Word.

Did God additionally DIRECT YOU to Other mens writings, to pretend they have the same weight as Scriptures? Uh no!
But...your Catholic Church has taught you and directed you to “their writings”...right? And? You are content they are your MASTER.
Freewill reigns!

2 Tim 3:
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

[theefaith]

The Apostles are dead.

Their authority was left via scripture.

Sola scriptura.

explain Matt 28:19-20 behold I am with you (the apostles) to the end

God does not reveal His truth in a vacuum!

God does not set His true adrift on a sea of spiritual anarchy!

God sets His truth in His church, in the possession of His apostles to safeguard, to ensure it is not added to, or taken away from, or changed in any way!

And to teach the same truth to all nations and all ages!

Verified by scripture:

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost!

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints!

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness!
(all scripture not 66 books alone)

Must be instructed in the faith:

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations…

Jn 29:21-23 as the father sent me, so I send you. (Same mission, power, and authority to teach all nations)

Lk 10:16 He who hears you, (His apostles) hear me.

Jn 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jn 8:32 You (the apostles) shall know the truth; and the truth shall make you free.

Jn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
(His apostles)

 

[theefaith]

I have your nature?

I think not.

If I die, my nature dies too.

Silly Catholic.

you die personally but human nature continues

 

[theefaith]

That is about Jesus, not the Pope.

Man, you need a Bible study in a big way.

yes you right but Christ before ascending to heaven gave all his authority mission and power to his church in the person of Peter and the apostles
Peter and his successors have the keys of jurisdictional authority Matt 16:18
Matt 28:18-20
Jn 20:21-23

 

[Truther]

explain Matt 28:19-20 behold I am with you (the apostles) to the end

God does not reveal His truth in a vacuum!

God does not set His true adrift on a sea of spiritual anarchy!

God sets His truth in His church, in the possession of His apostles to safeguard, to ensure it is not added to, or taken away from, or changed in any way!

And to teach the same truth to all nations and all ages!

Verified by scripture:

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost!

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints!

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness!
(all scripture not 66 books alone)

Must be instructed in the faith:

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations…

Jn 29:21-23 as the father sent me, so I send you. (Same mission, power, and authority to teach all nations)

Lk 10:16 He who hears you, (His apostles) hear me.

Jn 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jn 8:32 You (the apostles) shall know the truth; and the truth shall make you free.

Jn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
(His apostles)

The Apostles were the last word for God to us.

We cannot keep on inventing doctrines from new and improved "apostles".

The Apostles of Jesus had a "yea and amen" doctrine.

Modern fake apostles have an "oh my" doctrine.

 

[Truther]

you die personally but human nature continues

Chapter and verse please.

Does an animal nature(instinct) live forever too?

 

[Truther]

yes you right but Christ before ascending to heaven gave all his authority mission and power to his church in the person of Peter and the apostles
Peter and his successors have the keys of jurisdictional authority Matt 16:18
Matt 28:18-20
Jn 20:21-23

Peter and the Apostles, that's it.

Not Pope such and such.

 

[theefaith]

PSST!!! He's supposed to be JESUS CHRIST'S VICAR ON EARTH!!!

And you want us to take you and your religious club seriously????

yes so he acts in the person of Christ and many of them are holy and saints but they are also human
I don’t have a club
Christ does aka the new covenant

 

[Truther]

yes so he acts in the person of Christ and many of them are holy and saints but they are also human
I don’t have a club
Christ does aka the new covenant

I see what you Catholics believe...


For there is one God, and 2 mediators between God and men, the POPE AND THE man Christ Jesus

 

[theefaith]

Where does it say, go search mens devised writings for Gods Truth?

It’s called POSITIVE LAW.
God expressly instructs the SCRIPTURES are worthy for HIS Word.

Did God additionally DIRECT YOU to Other mens writings, to pretend they have the same weight as Scriptures? Uh no!
But...your Catholic Church has taught you and directed you to “their writings”...right? And? You are content they are your MASTER.
Freewill reigns!

2 Tim 3:
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

There is no list of scripture in scripture!

How does a person know what books, chapters, and verses are scripture and which ones are not?

not mens writings but the apostolic authority of Jesus Christ!

Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21
Lk 10:16
Acts 2:42
Do these mean nothing to you?

There is no list of scripture in scripture!

How does a person know what books, chapters, and verses are scripture and which ones are not?

God does not reveal His truth in a vacuum!

God does not set His true adrift on a sea of spiritual anarchy!

God sets His truth in His church, in the possession of His apostles to safeguard, to ensure it is not added to, or taken away from, or changed in any way!

And to teach the same truth to all nations and all ages!

Verified by scripture:

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost!

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints!

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness!
(all scripture not 66 books alone)

Must be instructed in the faith:

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations…

Jn 29:21-23 as the father sent me, so I send you. (Same mission, power, and authority to teach all nations)

Lk 10:16 He who hears you, (His apostles) hear me.

Jn 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jn 8:32 You (the apostles) shall know the truth; and the truth shall make you free.

Jn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
(His apostles)