What is the battle of Gog and Magog in Revelation 20:8?

[Traveler]

Rebellious enemies yes. Gog and Magog are principalities, demon generals of Satan - if you will, sent out to the four corners of the world.
Satan, throughout time and currently, has demons in charge of certain areas of the world
More prevalent and obvious are areas where evil reigns like Russia (and former Soviet Union - which were Gog and Magog's territories), China, India, various African countries, etc.

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[Freedm]

You are avoiding this fact: In Rev Babylon is destroyed but Jerusalem is not. That alone proves they are separate things.

But Jerusalem was destroyed, in every sense of the word. The city was conquered, the people were killed, the temple was burned. Sure the city was re-populated, but that doesn't negate the destruction of it. Also, keep in mind that Jerusalem was the first bride and the original kingdom of God, and a symbol of the first covenant. That was all destroyed, so even if you don't consider the city physically destroyed, at least everything it represented was destroyed. That should be enough to see the parallel between it and the harlot in Revelation.

 

[Earburner]

You all may want to take a second look at the history that the old testament reveals.

YES!! Let's ALL do that! The focus for us is to discover who the man Solomon is, and not the beast.
Let's all LOOK AT Solomon through the NT reference of Rev. 13[18]
A. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding
B. count the number of the beast: for it is
C. the number of a man; and
D. his number is
E. Six hundred threescore and six.

Q&A:
A. At that time, where was wisdom?
In Solomon.

B. We are to count what?
The number of a man.

C. What man?
Solomon.

D. Solomon's number is
E. Six hundred threescore and six.

So then, what purpose is gold for?
For Solomon then, his purpose for the "gold" given to him in one year, was to make shields.
For us today, the purpose of "gold" is to "buy and sell".

Now, let's go and find Solomon in 1 Kings 10:13-15.
[13] And king Solomon gave unto the queen of Sheba all her desire, whatsoever she asked, beside that which Solomon gave her of his royal bounty.
So she turned and went to her own country, she and her servants.
[14] Now the weight [amount] of gold that came [freely given] to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold.

[15] Beside that he had [also been given] of the merchantmen, and of the traffick of the spice merchants, and of all the kings of Arabia, and of the governors of the country.

As one can see, in the "number" of itself, there is nothing spiritual, superstitious, magical or important about the words "six hundred threescore and six".

However, the fact that Rev. 13:18 makes the reference to 1 Kings 10:14, for us to look at, that is extremely important, for out of it is going to be seen of HOW the beast in Rev. 13 will make manifest the contextual words of 1 Kings 10:14, that surround the number of talents of gold, which to us is fiat money.

Now for thousands of years, man has had both gold and money, but that is not the issue. The issue is that SOON man will have neither, because something else, that is untangible, will be taking it's place, requiring a Digital ID, that is not required for gold or money. That something else is called CBDCs, Central Bank Digital Currency.

 

[Traveler]

YES!! Let's ALL do that! The focus for us is to duscover who the man Solomon is, and not the beast.
Let's all LOOK AT Solomon through the NT reference of Rev. 13[18]
A. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding
B. count the number of the beast: for it is
C. the number of a man; and
D. his number is
E. Six hundred threescore and six.

Q&A:
A. At that time, where was wisdom?
In Solomon.

B. We are to count what?
The number of a man.

C. What man?
Solomon.

D. Solomon's number is
E. Six hundred threescore and six.

So then, what purpose is gold for?
For Solomon then, his purpose for the "gold" given to him in one year, was to make shields.
For us today, the purpose of "gold" is to "buy and sell".

Now, let's go and find Solomon in 1 Kings 10:13-15.
[13] And king Solomon gave unto the queen of Sheba all her desire, whatsoever she asked, beside that which Solomon gave her of his royal bounty.
So she turned and went to her own country, she and her servants.
[14] Now the weight [amount] of gold that came [freely given] to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold.

[15] Beside that he had [also been given] of the merchantmen, and of the traffick of the spice merchants, and of all the kings of Arabia, and of the governors of the country.

As one can see, in the "number" of itself, there is nothing spiritual, superstitious, magical or important about the words "six hundred threescore and six".

However, the fact that Rev. 13:18 makes the reference to 1 Kings 10:14, for us to look at, that is extremely important, for out of it is going to be seen of HOW the beast in Rev. 13 will make manifest the contextual words of 1 Kings 10:14, that surround the number of talents of gold, which to us is fiat money.

Now for thousands of years, man has had both gold and money, but that is not the issue. The issue is that SOON man will have neither, because something else, that is untangible, will be taking it's place, requiring a Digital ID, that is not required for gold or money. That something else is called CBDCs, Central Bank Digital Currency.

Jesus made it clear that you cannot serve God and Mammon. You have to make a choice. That is because Mammon is the tool that Satan uses to retain political control over this world. The mark of the beast is a means to force alliance with satan if you wish to continue living in this world. It is only now in our modern age that such a system can be set up. But to do that money in the form of paper and coin has to be done away with

 

[Earburner]

Jesus made it clear that you cannot serve God and Mammon. You have to make a choice. That is because Mammon is the tool that Satan uses to retain political control over this world. The mark of the beast is a means to force alliance with satan if you wish to continue living in this world. It is only now in our modern age that such a system can be set up. But to do that money in the form of paper and coin has to be done away with

Absolutely! Please see my post #86.

 

[ewq1938]

But Jerusalem was destroyed, in every sense of the word. The city was conquered, the people were killed, the temple was burned. Sure the city was re-populated, but that doesn't negate the destruction of it.

But Babylon can never re-form or be re-built. When destroyed, Babylon is gone forever but Jerusalem is not destroyed forever, not in the past and not in any prophecy. Babylon is described as a part city which Jerusalem is not and never has been. Jerusalem is a real city, not destroyed in Rev but Babylon is a symbolic city that is destroyed.


Rev 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Babylon is found no more at all yet Jerusalem still stands and is occupied at the end of the thousand years when Satan leads an army to surround it.

 

[Freedm]

But Babylon can never re-form or be re-built. When destroyed, Babylon is gone forever but Jerusalem is not destroyed forever, not in the past and not in any prophecy. Babylon is described as a part city which Jerusalem is not and never has been. Jerusalem is a real city, not destroyed in Rev but Babylon is a symbolic city that is destroyed.


Rev 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Babylon is found no more at all yet Jerusalem still stands and is occupied at the end of the thousand years when Satan leads an army to surround it.

I believe "Jerusalem" in this context is a euphemism for the old covenant, which was completely destroyed and "shall be found no more at all".

 

[ewq1938]

I believe "Jerusalem" in this context is a euphemism for the old covenant, which was completely destroyed and "shall be found no more at all".

Which doesn't work because Jerusalem is undestroyed in Rev, inhabited before and during and after the Millennium but the old covenant does not exist so the symbolism doesn't match at all. If you were correct, then Jerusalem would not be mentioned as existing after the beginning of the new covenant but it did for a very long time and still exists. Babylon also isn't the first covenant.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

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Beelzabub and Abaddon are mentioned in the Bible, demon princes.
I have heard of Asteroth and Vishnu but not the others.
Since Revelation implies that 200 million demons (locked up in Tartarus) are released during the Great Tribulation, that does not mean there aren't any roaming the world now, likely millions. I think I have met a few demon possessed people. Christ delt with demon possesed folks, legions (a number that could be as many as two thousand) and I am sure they have regional generals.

 

[Traveler]

Beelzabub and Abaddon are mentioned in the Bible, demon princes.
I have heard of Asteroth and Vishnu but not the others.
Since Revelation implies that 200 million demons (locked up in Tartarus) are released during the Great Tribulation, that does not mean there aren't any roaming the world now, likely millions. I think I have met a few demon possessed people. Christ delt with demon possesed folks, legions (a number that could be as many as two thousand) and I am sure they have regional generals.

Just do an internet search on their names. You will find a lot of the old stuff in the encyclopedias and many have their own fan clubs and rock bands in the modern world.