Stop being simple-minded.
Being one with your wife does not make you your wife.
Being one with God will be God working through you, and you loving it beyond comprehension.
WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?
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Being one with your wife does not make you your wife.
Being one with God will be God working through you, and you loving it beyond comprehension.
Gary Mac
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Well you can deny that Christ is Gods anointing in man all that you like, but that doesnt negate that it is false!
How do you suppose God exposed Himself in Jesus and opened all of His heaven in Jesus if His Spirit didnt do it -- purely by guesswork as most here do without God Himself open the same in you? Which would be Christ in you, you anointed by the same God Who anointed Jesus with His Spirit, or mind, knowledge, that Spirit is.
Yes that of man son of man. In Matt 3:16 we are told how he became born of God, born again as he described it that is not of man. You have only been born of man and refuse that second birth, that is very clear.
Yes God came to her by the same same spirit as He came to Jesus in Matt 3:16. Jesus was virgin to GHods Spirit the very same and so are we all until God Himself enters into your being planting His seed of Love with you.
Sure it was. Jesus didnt have a clue who God was nor His heaven proven when God came and opened it all in him just as He does in us all today whose mind has been renewed to think in God terms instead of your own ideas about it. Jesus described his new mind as born again and you are supposed to be as well but evidently that isnt going to happen is it?
God Himself entering into that mans own spirit of mind is the very same One who came to Mary, Adam in Gen 3:22, Abraham, Moses, 120 in upper room and all today who will receive the same One who is a Spirit.
You havent met that same God have you? That is why you make up all these excuses why you cant be as Jesus was in the Father as you are supposed to be, He in you and you in Him as one as He was in Jesus and Jesus was in Him as one, as Jesus prayed to his God for you to be in John 17. You just reject Jesus and his prayer for you to be born of God yourself in every turn of the page. .
Gary Mac
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Depends on how you look at it.
Jesus was reverend as a great rabbi of the Jews even from a young age, teachings their laws for sin and death.
If you are a devout catholic and a priest or pope, are you a sinner, or a Mormon or a Jehovah witness, Muslim, how do you view them, are the sinners? How do they view themselves if they are devout to those creeds of man. They do not see themselves as sinners but the see others that are of a different creed as a sinners. Just watch how these who are Baptists to some other creed view Catholics as sinner, of the devil.
Thank God I am not of any of hose but of God Himself as Jesus was and all of these are supposed to be in His same image instead of the image of any of these.
But just as Jesus was, I also was of one of these belief systems unto the same God Who came to Jesus came to me. Then to these I became a blasphemer, sinner because they could not relate to the same God who came to Jesus came to me.
Now when Jesus was about 30 years old and God came to that man and opened up who He is and all of His heaven in Jesus by the spirit that He is, what happened? He became a sinner, blasphemer, sabbath breaker, wine bibber, gluten, to the creed of the ones he once taught this was for that creed.
What is so ironic is the very ones he once taught as rabbi are th every ones who has him crucified as a sinner. In that I can identify the very same in me.
By mans laws for a god Jesus was not a sinner, nor was I. but by God laws that he became of, we became sinner by the things we suffered from man.
Now, we have the very same scenario today so obvious in this very forum. By their laws for their beliefs just as the Jews did the same with Jesus do the same with we who has received the very same from God as Jesus did became what? Blasphemers, why? Because the god they have created in their own minds, own image, that of a man, they cannot relate at all to the God who is a Spirit and resides in man.
For that very same reason as Jesus was accused of, I have been called of the devil, a blasphemer, sinner, claiming to be God just as they falsely accused Jesus of being even to this day only because we say we are Son of God making us equal with Him. Which by the way we are supposed to be.
We are innocent of all those false charges only because they cannot relate to the same God who was in Christ Jesus, in Adam in Gen 3:22, in Abraham, Moses Mary, 120, and me and all this day who has received the same God as these did.
We are blasphemers to these, but the real truth they even accuse Jesus of blaspheme claiming he was God himself. when Jesus was very very clear that he was not. but they still do not listen to him today just like they didnt listen to him 2000 years ago. And here is Jesus proof that he was not god and these push this aide and do not even read it.
So was Jesus as sinner before God made him pure in Himself? Not to the Jews, only after Matt 3:16.
Man doesnt know he is a sinner until God Himself comes and changes his whole disposition into holiness, perfect heaven as our Father in heaven is perfect, one cant even know what sin is.
Sin is not killing, stealing, chasing the neighbors wife, those things are only result from sin. Sin to Gpod is separation from His own Spirit be your own, that of Love, If one truly is of God who is Love and walk in it as He walks in it, one is not going to kill, one is going to love his neighbor just as he does himself without biased opinions, one is not going to covent another. And that sperartion from GHod to not be like Him is the only sin that God cannot forgive at all and that is every mans choice if they want Gods same SPOirit of Love as their own, or had they rater follow the creeds of mans laws who write their own laws for sin?
You be the judge, Was Jesus as sninner before Matt 3:16? Depends on who you ask. By God whom Jesus didnt know at all proven in Matt 3:16, God says to be separated from Him is the only sin. and after Matt 3;16when Jesus was united with God as one and became perfect even as his Father inehaven is perfect.
BTW the Father who is in heaven is not the same father of man.
The earthly father of Yosef(Joseph), the husband of Mary, was Heli, it is told at Luke 3:23.
There is some confusion on this topic which you may be aware of and is why you’re asking this question.
There is a mistranslation in modern Bibles from the Greek which includes the KJV, in the 1st chapter of Matthew, it mistranslates "father" to "husband".
Due to this simple mistranslation, people for years have been confused concerning the genealogies of the Messiah, Mary, and Joseph, and you can see many people making up a lot of stuff to try and feel better about the confusion.
This may have even helped cause some people to lose faith in the scriptures because of the modern Christians confusing this verse and making it look like the Gospels do not know the genealogies.
This mistranslation can be major because this is the very start of the gospels, and it can potentially lead people into thinking that it says the Messiah is not the son of David, when it's known that the Messiah would be from David's line.
Also, the mistranslation causes a contradiction with Matthew 1:17.
Verse 17 states that there are 14 generations from Abraham to David, then from David until the Babylon captivity are 14 generations, and then from the Babylon captivity to the Messiah there are 14 generations;
Matthew 1:17 "So all the generations from Abraham to David are 14 generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are 14 generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Messiah are 14 generations"
This actually helps us confirm the mistranslation, and when the mistranslation is corrected, there is absolutely no contradiction.
You experience a problem GeneZ because you are not a Christian and thus do not accept the Trinity.
Those that have no comprehension of the Trinity are, by necessity, pretty simple-minded...
so I turn that back on you.
When one does not have a good reply...
ad hominems always rear their ugly head.
The fact that Jesus said He is one with God is not the only reason Jesus declared Himself to be God
and others declared Him to be God.
I refer you to
Written by Paul
Titus 2:13
13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
Written by Peter
2 Peter 1:1
1Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
I prefer to believe Paul and Peter instead of some modern day heretic.
Also, no reply to my questions as yet.
John 1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14
14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
1. Is the Word God?
2. What became flesh?
Gary Mac
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Yes he is not a Christian according to your creeds of man, neither was Jesus as a child of God, but it is obvious he is of the same God as Jesus was of.
No' you turn your back on the same God who came to Jesus and opened up in Jesus who He is. You do not follow Jesus in his way in the Father at all. You are of the creeds of man who make your own three gods only because you refuse to receive in you the same One as Jesus received in himself.
In which you are chief!
The Jesus I know who is my brother, we have the same Father who is God, and Jesus prayed to his God for the Father be in me and I be in Him as one, as Jesus was in the Father and the Father was in him as one in John 17.
I suppose his prayer to our God makes me God as well according to your very statement LOL.
And obviously you prefer Paul over Jesu sin who he said he was in God.
In the beginning of every mans salvation come by God Himself give you His word Himself. His word is not written on stone nor in ink, but int the hearts and minds of us all who has received from God His word just as Jesus did in Matt 3:16 by the Spirit of mind that God is.
You are only a bible salesman instead of being who the Bible said you would be if you did receive from God Himself. And you are very terrible at even being a bible salesman of obviously God word is what you have made it to be instead of listening to Jesus an let GHod Himself give you His word as He did in Jesus.
Here try and read the Bible in what Jesus said about this very thing that you are trying so sell of yourself.
But this isnt going to happen is it, God is not able to deliver his word to you Himself is He?
John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
Yes in every man who has received from God Himself His word just as Jesus described above, become His flesh, our flesh, our mortal man is the kingdom in who God lives, Luke 17:20-21.
Evident not for you, it is only a book that you try and sell from your own merit.
His Spirit in us. Without us His word does not become flesh at all. It is within me, but obviously not you, your word is only in ink on a page of paper instead.
Gary Mac
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He isnt going to understand that at all.
He follows and has been programmed by man in what to believe thrugh manipulation and control in ignorance from lack of God Himself be their own disposition and conjure their own gods, all three of their gods that might obey them instead of being of the same God as Jesus said he was of and could do noting at all without his God who sent him to try and get these to follow him to the father, but instead they actually will have no part in following Jesu to the Father themselves.
Jesus cant save these at all least they do follow him to the One who does the saving that saved him from the creeds of the Jews and sent him to show them the way to his Father, just as these are doing as the Jews only different laws to govern their gods.
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