David in NJ
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Was not me causing any argument but those who oppose the direct wording of Scripture
My posts are the same as Post 156 which you agreed with = who is arguing with who?
WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?
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My posts are the same as Post 156 which you agreed with = who is arguing with who?
I think it has something to do with the cleansing from sin, to be made pure as well as the work of the Spirit (for the second time).
PS95
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WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?
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Believe it or not the water used in John 3:5 signifies the gospel. Elsewhere in Scripture, it is said that "all born again believers have in them this "living water" (John 7:38).
He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water (Gospel).
That is, when believers witnesses to nonbelievers and these become saved it's because they heard the true Gospel! Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God (Romans 10:17).
And this is my take in undersetting of the subject.
To God Be the Glory
Hiddenthings
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The Water aspect speaks to a good confession and is within the meaning of the Spirit. It's so obvious I cannot believe this discussion has gone on as long as it has!
David in NJ
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If that were true then JESUS would be saying that we need to be Born TWICE = directly from God BOTH times.
Once by the Gospel and then Born Again by the Spirit
But that is not what JESUS, in this passage of Scripture, declares.
In FACT, Jesus separated and DEFINED the TWO Births in the passage.
First Birth = "that which is flesh is flesh"
Second Birth = "that which is Spirit is spirit"
How was Jesus born?
Jesus was born thru Mary, growing inside her womb encapsulated in WATER, which is the amniotic fluid.
Amniotic fluid is a clear, water-like liquid that surrounds and protects a developing fetus during pregnancy.
It cushions the fetus, helps in its growth and development, and contains important nutrients and antibodies.
This is God's Way from Genesis and every human comes into the world this way.
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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Only works if Jesus actually said "Born AGAIN"....
And I know that it gets confusing for people because that's what is written/translated in English. But it's not what He said and not what He meant.
John, writing in Early Latin/Greek....
Said that Jesus said "Genethe anothen" or Born from Above....not Born again. The note in subtext in printed bibles is correct....the "again" is what's there due to tradition carried forward as an error made by Erasmus over 500 years ago.
But EVERYWHERE else in scripture "anothen" is used it means "above".
Then....
There are the troubling Jewish anthropologists....who state that "Born from Above" is a distinction of a class of individuals. (Caste based society classifying individuals? Say it isn't so!) But it conveniently gets forgotten by so many people who claim they are correct and perfect in theological matters with perfect hermeneutics.
And amniotic fluid...live birth....kinda redundant stating of the obvious. Especially when Paper and ink to write this section are going to equal several days labor.
Just saying....
David in NJ
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Thank You for this
Even if we exchange Born Again to Born Above(which i love) it does not change the meaning for Jesus clearly stated we must be Born of the Spirit.
Jesus also separated the two births: "that which is flesh is flesh" = 1st Birth
"that which is Spirit is spirit" = Second Birth = from the Spirit/Above
Ephesians 2:1-3 VALIDATES John 3:1-10
Secondly, only humans are born from/in WATER and who can experience a Second Birth= Born from Above
Thirdly - Angels are created beings = no birth records and no scripture that states they were birthed
Fallen Angels cannot be redeemed = God did not grant Salvation to the fallen angels who serve satan.
again.
ἄνωθεν (anōthen)
Adverb
Strong's Greek 509: From ano; from above; by analogy, from the first; by implication, anew - over again
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Apparently, natural birth of water in the mother's womb has been debunk by Jesus, after Nicodemus spoke of it as he understood.
Clearly, it was the water baptism upon repentance, as Jesus and His disciples were too water baptizing after John, and it continued to the book of Acts.
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
This is the water Jesus spoke about, the water He would give, the water that cleanses from all sin. The Holy Spirit's work, whom Jesus sends, plus this gift from Jesus, whereas at the beginning, when one first has an encounter with the living God, one is not entirely cleansed from sin. One does however, know what sin is, whereas before one does not and thinks oneself at least as good as other men.
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