What is your best argument for the existence of God?
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I like the Fine tuned universe argument best.
quietthinker
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What is your best argument for the existence of God?
My heart is beatingDepands on who you think God is !
Most people in regards God are on the page regarding their own god's ! like in that they say, Oh my god !
Just look around you and at yourself ! and see who created all ?
Most people want to live in a fantacy land ! for they have not Virtue in fact !
Once one does have Virtue then one is not just a simple dupe moron ! such a one can grow and come to abide in Grace !
Most people in regards God are on the page regarding their own god's ! like in that they say, Oh my god !
Just look around you and at yourself ! and see who created all ?
Most people want to live in a fantacy land ! for they have not Virtue in fact !
Once one does have Virtue then one is not just a simple dupe moron ! such a one can grow and come to abide in Grace !
GISMYS_7
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Many understand the natural universe as proof of evolution.
What do we see that is different than that?
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What is the origin of life - there is still no explanation and its completely unknown and I am not talking about just people.Where does that spark of life come from?God is the only explanation there is no other.
I have heard seeding by aliens but where did the aliens come from you end up with the exact same problem your just passing it along you need a beginning where did life come from what is that spark of life..
I have heard seeding by aliens but where did the aliens come from you end up with the exact same problem your just passing it along you need a beginning where did life come from what is that spark of life..
What is even stronger is "where did the universe come from in the first place."
Skeptics have and will always have an impossible task to explain the creation of the universe.
For example, some identify the debate between Evolution and Creation. But Evolution is the slight, mindless modification of that which already exists. Creation begins when it is sans (without) creation. Creationists use the word sans to avoid making a finite temporal statement "before" creation.
The argument that Larry Sanger is the co-founder of Wikipedia, and he holds a PhD in philosophy from the Ohio State University, used to return to Christianity:-
the fact that the arguments taken together are far more persuasive than I had understood. Individually, the arguments might seem relatively weak. As I said, the Argument from Contingency only shows that a necessary being exists. The Argument from Causality shows only that the universe had a cause outside of itself. The Argument from Design shows only that the universe has some sort of designer or other. An Argument from Morality might add that the designer is benevolent, to some degree, in some way, but not even necessarily personal. But what happens when we combine all the arguments to make a unified case for the existence of God? I’m not sure the idea had ever dawned on me, certainly not with its present vividness. Taken together, the arguments point to a necessary being that exists apart from space, time, and matter. This is the very cause of the universe, which was designed according to orderly abstract laws. Ever more complex properties emerge, one from another, with great beauty and rationality—rationality that exhibits various mind-like features. This order can even be described as good, a cosmos indeed, because life and its preservation seem to be part of the plan, and life is the very standard of value.
From Wikipedia co-founder, who holds PhD in philosophy, returns to Christianity
The words might beyond most of us, but he is saying the collective arguments for God together make sense.
the fact that the arguments taken together are far more persuasive than I had understood. Individually, the arguments might seem relatively weak. As I said, the Argument from Contingency only shows that a necessary being exists. The Argument from Causality shows only that the universe had a cause outside of itself. The Argument from Design shows only that the universe has some sort of designer or other. An Argument from Morality might add that the designer is benevolent, to some degree, in some way, but not even necessarily personal. But what happens when we combine all the arguments to make a unified case for the existence of God? I’m not sure the idea had ever dawned on me, certainly not with its present vividness. Taken together, the arguments point to a necessary being that exists apart from space, time, and matter. This is the very cause of the universe, which was designed according to orderly abstract laws. Ever more complex properties emerge, one from another, with great beauty and rationality—rationality that exhibits various mind-like features. This order can even be described as good, a cosmos indeed, because life and its preservation seem to be part of the plan, and life is the very standard of value.
From Wikipedia co-founder, who holds PhD in philosophy, returns to Christianity
The words might beyond most of us, but he is saying the collective arguments for God together make sense.
Yeah, they believe in a small, hot, dense bubble with the size of a grain of corn which exploded and created one billion galaxies, each galaxy containing one billion stars with planets. What a big faith the skeptics have.
Then about the Fine tuned universe argument and its numbers in a nutshell, more math -
Scientists calculated the number of physical constants (43) in the universe that are needed to make life possible. Let's for the easiness say each of the 43 constants can have a value from 1 to 100 with an error margin of (say) -10 / +10
We take the first (of the 43) constant, its value (say) is 50, then if the value would have been <40 or >60 no life is possible in the universe, thus there is already a chance of 80% (1/5) that we not would have been here. Then make the calculation for 43 constants, meaning a chance for life to exist would be 5 to the power of 43, the number 1 / 1136868377216160297393798828125, the chance for life in the universe is almost zero, except if SOMEONE did the math and set the 43 parameters with the right values.
Proof for the existence of God?
Should be, but wait, the answer of (some) scientists, the speculation our universe is not the only universe, the so called multiverse. With no shred of evidence they are basically saying, look, we are not impressed with the 1 / 1136868377216160297393798828125 number there are probably more than 1136868377216160297393798828125 universes and thus it's just a matter of chance one universe has the right values for life. And so their world is okay again, no God.
Sad, isn't it.
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Of course, multi universes still need a creator for all of them. You are right, not a shred of evidence. Not to mention that such a thought only brings irrationality into the discussion.
Tell me: does God want to remain mysterious? What causes men to believe more - 'revelation' or 'mystery'?
Maybe this corollary will help: if there was no God, you would never have peace about believing in Him.
Rockerduck
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I'm the greatest proof of God's existence. Just push my Jesus button and stand back. My testimony is my greatest gift to talk about Jesus and all he has done for me.
David in NJ
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Mystery is God's gift to stimulate SEEK and you will FIND.
Revelation is God's gift that encourages us to continue FORWARD in the Kingdom.
Pick from the tiers in this video, or present your own. Thanks.
WARNING --- You may find this video challenging, or even offensive.
Viewer discretion is advised.
Want to know how to prove that God exists, or how to convince an atheist of God's existence? This tier list may shed light on the difficulties in doing that, and the tools at your disposal.
What is the best argument for God's existence? Although I haven't yet found any which are without error, some arguments are better, or more convincing, than others. Apologetics can appear dry on the surface, but they're fascinating upon closer inspection. These arguments often sneak in false premises and tricky debate tactics which many don't catch. Here, though, I've analyzed some of the most popular arguments for God, charted their stats, examined their special abilities, and ranked them accordingly.
The arguments discussed here are, in no particular order:
- The Ontological Argument,
- The Argument from Personal Experience,
- The Kalam Cosmological Argument,
- the Teleological Argument,
- Paschal's Wager, and
- the Moral Argument.
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Personal statement:
I guess that my position is The Argument from Personal Experience.
However, I do not use this as a claim for the existence of God,
but rather as an explanation for my own religious activity.
Due to my personal experience, I will follow this path.
I see value in it in the here and now, not just as hopes for an afterlife.
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WARNING --- You may find this video challenging, or even offensive.
Viewer discretion is advised.
Want to know how to prove that God exists, or how to convince an atheist of God's existence? This tier list may shed light on the difficulties in doing that, and the tools at your disposal.
What is the best argument for God's existence? Although I haven't yet found any which are without error, some arguments are better, or more convincing, than others. Apologetics can appear dry on the surface, but they're fascinating upon closer inspection. These arguments often sneak in false premises and tricky debate tactics which many don't catch. Here, though, I've analyzed some of the most popular arguments for God, charted their stats, examined their special abilities, and ranked them accordingly.
The arguments discussed here are, in no particular order:
- The Ontological Argument,
- The Argument from Personal Experience,
- The Kalam Cosmological Argument,
- the Teleological Argument,
- Paschal's Wager, and
- the Moral Argument.
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Personal statement:
I guess that my position is The Argument from Personal Experience.
However, I do not use this as a claim for the existence of God,
but rather as an explanation for my own religious activity.
Due to my personal experience, I will follow this path.
I see value in it in the here and now, not just as hopes for an afterlife.
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If there were no consequences or rewards in the afterlife, would there be any point to being a Christian? - Is there any value whatsoever to Christianity if there is no afterlife? - If there is an afterlife, how would God treat those who became Christians only out of fear of eternal...
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I’ll pass. I’m not interested. I’ll make my own decisions. Notifications went off linked to this. So idk if you meant to bring me here or not. I’m not interested in these types of videos.
If your argument is based on religious activity, you will need to explain why your religious experience is more probably than a Muslim's religious experience. Religious experience is basically a dogmatic argument since it is not open to refutation nor can it be falsified. Also, we all have different religious experiences, so how can one person's religious experience support the existence of God?Pick from the tiers in this video, or present your own. Thanks.
WARNING --- You may find this video challenging, or even offensive.
Viewer discretion is advised.
Want to know how to prove that God exists, or how to convince an atheist of God's existence? This tier list may shed light on the difficulties in doing that, and the tools at your disposal.
What is the best argument for God's existence? Although I haven't yet found any which are without error, some arguments are better, or more convincing, than others. Apologetics can appear dry on the surface, but they're fascinating upon closer inspection. These arguments often sneak in false premises and tricky debate tactics which many don't catch. Here, though, I've analyzed some of the most popular arguments for God, charted their stats, examined their special abilities, and ranked them accordingly.
The arguments discussed here are, in no particular order:
- The Ontological Argument,
- The Argument from Personal Experience,
- The Kalam Cosmological Argument,
- the Teleological Argument,
- Paschal's Wager, and
- the Moral Argument.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Personal statement:
I guess that my position is The Argument from Personal Experience.
However, I do not use this as a claim for the existence of God,
but rather as an explanation for my own religious activity.
Due to my personal experience, I will follow this path.
I see value in it in the here and now, not just as hopes for an afterlife.
Reader Poll - Would you be a Christian if there was no afterlife?
If there were no consequences or rewards in the afterlife, would there be any point to being a Christian? - Is there any value whatsoever to Christianity if there is no afterlife? - If there is an afterlife, how would God treat those who became Christians only out of fear of eternal...
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Also, you said, "Although I haven't yet found any which are without error..."
What error do you find in the Kalam Cosmological Argument? It is a deductive argument!
Did you watch the video?
I was clear that my position is NOT a claim for the existence of God.
Personal statement:
I guess that my position is The Argument from Personal Experience.
However, I do not use this as a claim for the existence of God,
but rather as an explanation for my own religious activity.
Due to my personal experience, I will follow this path.
I see value in it in the here and now, not just as hopes for an afterlife.
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You wrote, "I guess that my position is The Argument from Personal Experience."
Your position for what? I owe you an apology for not listening to your video. I only listen to videos where I know how long the video will take and the bio of the author. I am not very techie
