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Paul told you to "put on the armor of God" to deal with the Devil.
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What is your take? Satan was the Religious Zealots of that time.
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Paul told you to "put on the armor of God" to deal with the Devil.
You're not interested.
Ok.
Darkness still exists in this world, and I'm mindful to stay on guard—especially when I sense something or someone trying to draw me away from God.
While many believe the devil is constantly influencing people, Scripture tells us that Satan will ultimately be dealt with. So the real question becomes: what are we actually wrestling against? More often than not, it's spiritual darkness—struggles within our own thoughts, mind, and soul.
Rather than place blame solely on the devil, I’ve come to realize that I can be my own greatest obstacle. Scripture reminds us that people have often loved darkness more than light, and it’s a truth worth reflecting on.
I’m not demanding an answer, but I do welcome the dialogue. For now, though, I wanted to share that I’ve just landed a new job, and it’s something I’ve been seeking with all my heart. I likely won’t be around much anymore, but I’m hopeful that everything goes well and I can truly find stability there.
As I move forward, I know the only way to stay grounded and keep my mind clear is to abide in Christ—to surrender my thoughts to Him and trust in His guidance.
Behold
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Satan created the darkness.
This is spiritual that plays out as "God of this world".... corruption, of everything.
This will end when only when the Millennial Reign of Jesus begins., and not until.
Until then you have this.,.,
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Satan, The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. New Living Translation Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. English Standard Version In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. Berean Standard Bible The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. Berean Literal Bible in whom the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelieving, so as for not to beam forth the illumination of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. King James Bible In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. New King James Version whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. New American Standard Bible in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they will not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. NASB 1995 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. NASB 1977 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. Legacy Standard Bible in whose case the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. Amplified Bible among them the god of this world [Satan] has blinded the minds of the unbelieving to prevent them from seeing the illuminating light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. |
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That Satan is going to be dealt with doesn't deminish his influence now. His influence in this world will increase going forward into the last days.
Must spiritual darkness be an impersonal energy or vibe? I'm not convinced such things exist separately from a malevolent evil spirit.
Lforrest, I've been thinking—perhaps it was darkness that first tempted Satan. That possibility has been on my mind.
I often reflect on my own capacity for wrongdoing. Can you look in the mirror and say, "I am capable of evil"? I can, and I know there are things within me that I have to wrestle with daily. It's similar to the way Scripture contrasts light and darkness, where people often choose the latter.
Whether one believes Satan has been done away with is up to personal interpretation. For me, I believe Scripture affirms that truth. Yet even so, I think the deeper issue isn’t Satan alone—it’s the spiritual darkness that still exists and influences hearts and minds today.
In Genesis, we get the sense that God was present even in the darkness. That detail stands out to me. It suggests that even in the absence of light, God is there, and His presence still reaches us.
Satan chose to do his own will, much like how the people of Israel once turned from God and became “gods of their world.” That same dynamic plays out today—we often contend with the inner spiritual battles that pull us away from truth.
Does this make sense? I know it's layered, but what I'm trying to say is: darkness is still here. And the greatest struggle isn’t always with outside forces—it’s the quiet, internal wrestling within our own hearts.
I don’t believe Satan created Darkness @Behold.
I believe the absence of God himself is what is the darkness consist of.
God made the darkness.
Yes—Isaiah 45:7 is a powerful verse that directly speaks to this:
If you’re exploring this theme further, Genesis 1:2 also mentions darkness being present before God said, “Let there be light.” Want to dive deeper into how different translations interpret this verse or how it’s been understood theologically? I’d be glad to explore it with you.
Just a quick question to Co-pilot and I got an answer.
I believe the absence of God himself is what is the darkness consist of.
God made the darkness.
Yes—Isaiah 45:7 is a powerful verse that directly speaks to this:
This verse emphasizes God's sovereignty over all aspects of creation, including both light and darkness, peace and calamity. It’s often cited to show that nothing exists outside of His authority—even the things we might struggle to understand.
If you’re exploring this theme further, Genesis 1:2 also mentions darkness being present before God said, “Let there be light.” Want to dive deeper into how different translations interpret this verse or how it’s been understood theologically? I’d be glad to explore it with you.
Just a quick question to Co-pilot and I got an answer.
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Satan is the "god of this world".
He blinds minds, as otherwise, everyone would believe in Jesus.
Who is Paul writing to? Jesus said people loved darkness more than the light. Doesn’t say anything about Satan there.
How do you reconcile those things?
Satan was the religious Pharisees,
Who blinded people to the truth of Jesus Christ….
Why doesn’t this click with anyone?
They were the “god of that world” that age…
When temple sacrifices and things where going on?
I don’t understand how people miss these things they don’t even try to ask God about it and check with the spirit….
They just believe they right in their own mind?
That’s why you gotta test things for oneself.
Who blinded people to the truth of Jesus Christ….
Why doesn’t this click with anyone?
They were the “god of that world” that age…
When temple sacrifices and things where going on?
I don’t understand how people miss these things they don’t even try to ask God about it and check with the spirit….
They just believe they right in their own mind?
That’s why you gotta test things for oneself.
Behold
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Paul is writing to any born again Christian.
Paul stated that "the devil" blinds the minds".
Paul stated that "the devil" hindered Him on a Mission Trip.
Paul stated that you put on the Armor of God to stand against the Traps, the Deceptions, that come from THE DEVIL.
"the DEVIL".
You’re lying about that.
He was writing for those whom would be the bride of Christ.
It’s alright though if you disagree cause at the end of the day
I gotta make my own choice and I want to do my best to follow the spirit.
He was writing to the people of Ephesus specifically.,..
Are there spiritual applications people can gain from it today ? Yes… but the devil in revelation is defeated…
So people wrestle around with spiritual darkness and their own self…..
I ain’t into trying to make stuff up just to keep the devil around dude…
Jesus came and took care of them “Satan”
Those religious Pharisees who obscured the truth in that day in age…
And does it continue to happen that people can be “Adveristy to themselves?” Absolutely
Therefore put on the armor of God.
Are there spiritual applications people can gain from it today ? Yes… but the devil in revelation is defeated…
So people wrestle around with spiritual darkness and their own self…..
I ain’t into trying to make stuff up just to keep the devil around dude…
Jesus came and took care of them “Satan”
Those religious Pharisees who obscured the truth in that day in age…
And does it continue to happen that people can be “Adveristy to themselves?” Absolutely
Therefore put on the armor of God.
Behold
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Listen.
The Pharisees were just religious leaders..........who hated Jesus, because they Envied His Power, and His following and His authority.
He denied them their authority, and that cut them to their carnal bones and they wanted Him to die.
Paul wrote that """""the Devil"""""" blinds their minds........as otherwise all would believe in Jesus.
Your strange theology only clicks with you.
It only "clicks" with you., and with those who taught you.
Satan is not an "age"....>Hes a created supernatural being, an "angel of light".....who "was a murderer from the Beginning" , who is the author of your current deception, and much of your theology.
Not related to our discussion.
Stay on topic.
Nah. I’m good bro. I’m just thankful I got a job to go to tomorrow that’s all I care about.
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If there were a spirit that tempted Satan, that would actually be the real Satan. I can't conceive of a darkness that has no will of its own, yet it is still able to articulate a temptation.
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If your job is ""all you care about"", then why pretend you care about God or anything related to Him?
Whom are you trying to fool here on the forum?.........Yourself?
No wonder your posts are such strange little statements that avoid the NT,, and deny Paul's doctrine, most of the time.
Do you have a Tattoo on you that says...... "Preterism Rules".
Lforrest,
Is there no way to see that the Religous Zealots, who obscured the truth of Yeshua, to be seen as god of that world that lived in?
That is my ulitmate question, is there absolutely zero possibility? Because I believe your answer will be yes, that is a total possibility.
I really do...
I went ahead and looked into some passages, it shows EXACTLY what those religious leaders went and did in that day, and the wrath of God was coming upon them, just like the Tower of Babel they would have experienced Gods wrath and tumble down...
Yes—Isaiah 14:14 is one of the clearest verses that reveals Satan’s desire to become like God:
This verse is part of a passage traditionally understood to describe the fall of Lucifer, who is believed to have been a high-ranking angel before his rebellion. The surrounding verses (Isaiah 14:12–15) detail his pride and ambition, including his intent to exalt his throne above the stars of God and sit on the mount of the congregation2.
Another relevant passage is Ezekiel 28:17, which speaks of the king of Tyre but is often interpreted as a symbolic reference to Satan:
Together, these verses paint a picture of Satan’s prideful ambition to elevate himself to divine status—a desire that led to his downfall.
That nation became an exact replica of these things. They didn't want Jesus so they put him to death. They paid the guards in that day to say "the body was stolen."
They continued on as nothing ever happened until the destruction finally had come.
If there were a spirit that tempted Satan, that would be the real Satan....
I don't think so... I believe it was the darkness... that God created. That tempted him.... Because
Remember Satan was a created Angel... He was with God and God let him do what he wanted in the heavenly realms.
Do you remember?
Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.
Yes—God created the being who became Satan, but not as an evil entity.
Scripture teaches that Satan was originally created as Lucifer, a powerful and beautiful angel. He was described as “blameless in your ways from the day you were created” (Ezekiel 28:15) and held a high position as a guardian cherub in heaven2. His name, Lucifer, means “morning star,” and he was adorned with wisdom and beauty.
However, Lucifer chose to rebel against God. Isaiah 14:14 captures his ambition: “I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High.” This pride and desire to usurp God’s authority led to his fall2.
So while God created Lucifer good, Satan’s transformation into a deceiver and adversary was the result of his own free will. This distinction is important: God did not create evil, but He did create beings with the freedom to choose—and Lucifer chose rebellion2
What tempted him? It must have been the darkness? But He was able to even come around God, the same thing happened with the nation of ISrael when Jesus had come, they were around Jesus, God with them....
Amazing.
I believe the spirit very powerful and profound.
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did God create evil
This is one of the most profound and debated questions in theology—and the short answer is: God did not create evil as a substance or force, but He did create beings with free will, which made the possibility of evil real.
Here are the key ideas drawn from Scripture and theological reflection:
This is one of the most profound and debated questions in theology—and the short answer is: God did not create evil as a substance or force, but He did create beings with free will, which made the possibility of evil real.
Here are the key ideas drawn from Scripture and theological reflection:
God’s Creation Was Originally Good
- Genesis 1:31 says, “God saw all that He had made, and it was very good.”
- Evil was not part of the original creation—it entered later through rebellion.
️ Evil as a Corruption, Not a Creation
- Think of evil like darkness—not a thing in itself, but the absence of light.
- Augustine and other theologians taught that evil is a privation of good, not a created entity.
Free Will and the Origin of Evil
- God gave angels and humans the freedom to choose.
- Lucifer (Satan) chose pride and rebellion (Isaiah 14:12–14; Ezekiel 28:15–17).
- Adam and Eve chose disobedience (Genesis 3), introducing sin and suffering into the world.
Clarifying Isaiah 45:7
- Some translations say God “creates evil,” but the Hebrew word ra more accurately means calamity or disaster, not moral evil3.
- God allows hardship and judgment, but He is not the author of sin.
God’s Sovereignty Over Evil
- While God permits evil, He can redeem it for good (Romans 8:28).
- Evil is temporary—Scripture promises its ultimate defeat through Christ.
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