What is your take? Satan was the Religious Zealots of that time.

[MatthewG]

If your job is ""all you care about"", then why pretend you care about God or anything related to Him?
Whom are you trying to fool here on the forum?.........Yourself?
No wonder your posts are such strange little statements that avoid the NT,, and deny Paul's doctrine, most of the time.

Do you have a Tattoo on you that says...... "Preterism Rules".

Man I can’t stand people sometimes.

All you’re interested is in debating, not really truly dialoguing…

That’s what I hate the most about how people go about some things…

Especially on here. But atleast I can be honest about it…

It will be good to actually start working and get away from here cause it’s been consistent for the past several months…

Thank you God for giving me what I wanted I’m gonna try not to blow it and actually do right this time.

 

[Augustin56]

Is it though? Why?

The Religious Zealots were actively opposed to God, especially even Jesus.

What's so wrong with seeing them as Satan, and in revelation Satan had become done away with.

Hey, Matthew! There is a distinct difference between seeing them AS Satan vs seeing them as influenced by Satan. Satan and his demons certainly can influence and tempt anyone. But them giving into the demptation or influence doesn't make them Satan or a demon.

 

[MatthewG]

Hey, Matthew! There is a distinct difference between seeing them AS Satan vs seeing them as influenced by Satan. Satan and his demons certainly can influence and tempt anyone. But them giving into the demptation or influence doesn't make them Satan or a demon.

Hello Augustin,

The idea that some Jewish leaders in Jesus’ day were seen as personifying Satan comes primarily from Jesus’ confrontations with the religious elite, especially the Pharisees and Sadducees, as recorded in the New Testament.

Key Scriptural Roots​

• John 8:44 — Jesus says to some of the Jewish leaders: “You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires.” This is one of the strongest statements linking their actions to Satan’s influence.
• Matthew 23 — Jesus delivers a series of rebukes to the Pharisees, calling them “blind guides,” “hypocrites,” and “whitewashed tombs.” While He doesn’t call them Satan directly, He portrays them as spiritually corrupt and resistant to truth.
• Matthew 16:23 — Even Peter, one of Jesus’ closest disciples, is told “Get behind me, Satan!” when he tries to dissuade Jesus from going to the cross. This shows that anyone opposing God’s plan could be seen as acting in alignment with Satan.

Theological Interpretation​

• The idea isn’t that these leaders were literally Satan, but that their resistance to Jesus, their hypocrisy, and their legalism aligned them with the adversarial spirit Satan represents.
• In this sense, they embodied the opposition to God’s truth, which is what Satan symbolizes throughout Scripture.

Historical and Cultural Context​

• Jewish leaders in Jesus’ time held religious and political power, often aligned with Roman interests.
• Their fear of losing influence led them to oppose Jesus, even though He fulfilled the very Scriptures they studied.
• This opposition is what led early Christians to interpret their behavior as satanic in nature, not necessarily in identity.

 

[MatthewG]

I don't see people as demons or anything like that personally today. Just those people in that day were personifying Satan, and they were done away with if Revelation is true, in what it suggest concerning the "doing away with Satan." This term, in Revelation would be signified as Satan, and they themselves were done away.


That’s a thoughtful perspective, and I appreciate how you’re distinguishing between literal interpretation and symbolic understanding. What you’re describing touches on a very rich vein of biblical symbolism, especially how spiritual forces and attitudes are sometimes expressed through people's actions—particularly in prophetic or apocalyptic writings.
In Revelation, Satan is portrayed as being ultimately defeated—cast down and bound (Revelation 20:1–3). If one views the religious leaders of Jesus’ time as embodying opposition to God’s truth, it makes sense to interpret their downfall or removal as part of Satan's symbolic defeat.
This idea connects to what Jesus said in Matthew 23, where He condemned their hypocrisy and blindness. He wasn’t calling them literal demons—but their resistance to truth reflected the adversarial spirit that Satan represents.
It’s also powerful that you clarified you don’t see people as demons today. That shows grace and wisdom. The real battle, as you hinted earlier, is often internal—spiritual wrestling in our hearts, minds, and motives.

 

[mailmandan]

Ozzy Osbourne is considered the god of Rock'n'roll, the dark Prince.

Thanks for commenting, Fred.

Ozzy Osbourne dead at 76

Ozzy Osbourne dead at 76

Ozzy Osbourne, the lead singer and founder of heavy metal group Black Sabbath, died Tuesday. He was 76. Osbourne battled health issues for years.

www.foxnews.com

 

[MatthewG]

Ozzy Osbourne dead at 76

Ozzy Osbourne dead at 76

Ozzy Osbourne, the lead singer and founder of heavy metal group Black Sabbath, died Tuesday. He was 76. Osbourne battled health issues for years.

www.foxnews.com

I don't really care about Ozzy, he still was iconic for a lot people. He went on home to Mama.

 

[mailmandan]

I don't really care about Ozzy, he still was iconic for a lot people. He went on home to Mama.

He was too dark for me. I mentioned this news article because his name came up in this thread.

 

[MatthewG]

He was too dark for me. I mentioned this news article because his name came up in this thread.

Idk that man’s heart. He in or outside the kingdom now.

 

[MatthewG]

Satan = accuser.


I don't even think Satan is some devil guy going around torturing people and driving them mad.


But so many believe that Satan is RAWR GONNA GET YA.


Well people will accuse you... sometimes in your life.... that is a person being "satan."


Why did Jesus called Peter "Satan" because Peter was accusing Jesus of not going to be dying on the cross....


...

 

[Behold]

I don't even think Satan is some devil guy going around torturing people and driving them mad.

Jesus classified Satan as the Father of Lies and a Murderer from the Beginning.

The NT also defines Him as The Devourer.

Satan has legions of demonic (fallen angels) whom he assigns.

Jesus once cast out many from one man, as described in Matt 8, Mark 5, & Luke 8

Paul stated that the devil will deceive you, using his power of deception, unless you do something.

Paul stated that Satan hindered His ministry, personally.

Jesus faced Satan personally and overcame Him by quoting Bible verses to Him.

Satan blinds the mind, which is why Unbelievers are unable to SEE their need to be forgiven, or even to understand they are a sinner.
He blinds their mind so that they can't understand The Gospel, unless this is revealed to them by the Holy Spirit.

Satan leads Christians into Cult theology, and ruins their faith so that they believe they are supposed to be sick and poor and might lose their salvation at any time unless they work to try to save themselves, while they pretend they are trusting in Christ.

 

[MatthewG]

Satan = accuser.

Anyone accusing someone can be seen as the word "satan."


It's just traditions that people hold on to that is the problem.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus classified Satan as the Father of Lies and a Murderer from the Beginning.

The NT also defines Him as The Devourer.

Satan has legions of demonic (fallen angels) whom he assigns.

Jesus once cast out many from one man, as described in Matt 8, Mark 5, & Luke 8

Paul stated that the devil will deceive you, using his power of deception, unless you do something.

Paul stated that Satan hindered His ministry, personally.

Jesus faced Satan personally and overcame Him by quoting Bible verses to Him.

Satan blinds the mind, which is why Unbelievers are unable to SEE their need to be forgiven, or even to understand they are a sinner.
He blinds their mind so that they can't understand The Gospel, unless this is revealed to them by the Holy Spirit.

Satan leads Christians into Cult theology, and ruins their faith so that they believe they are supposed to be sick and poor and might lose their salvation at any time unless they work to try to save themselves, while they pretend they are trusting in Christ.

All you have to do is share just any information that is against anything I say.

That's fine, but it doesn't make what you say is true.

people shouoldn't trust you or me but go and look for themselves.


Am I being satan for telling the truth? No.

Satan is just a word for accuser. Whether or not you like it or not doesn't matter to me.




People may say "Oh I don't like his attitude he is not a Christian." Blah blah blah, all people have time to do is judge.

 

[Augustin56]

Satan = accuser.


I don't even think Satan is some devil guy going around torturing people and driving them mad.


But so many believe that Satan is RAWR GONNA GET YA.


Well people will accuse you... sometimes in your life.... that is a person being "satan."


Why did Jesus called Peter "Satan" because Peter was accusing Jesus of not going to be dying on the cross....


...

Satan and his demons are real. They are fallen angels. They rejected God and His plan and are doomed to eternal suffering and banishment from heaven. They want to lead us to hell and as much misery in this life as they can. They have angelic intelligence and powers, far more than us. However, they can do absolutely nothing without God's express permission each and every time. You might ask, why would God allow us to be tempted? He allows it in order for us to grow in virtue. Without temptation, there is no virtue. Satan and his demons usually tempt/attack us through a combination of three of our human facutlies: our imagination, or memory (especially images), and our emotions.

 

[MatthewG]

Satan and his demons are real. They are fallen angels. They rejected God and His plan and are doomed to eternal suffering and banishment from heaven. They want to lead us to hell and as much misery in this life as they can. They have angelic intelligence and powers, far more than us. However, they can do absolutely nothing without God's express permission each and every time. You might ask, why would God allow us to be tempted? He allows it in order for us to grow in virtue. Without temptation, there is no virtue. Satan and his demons usually tempt/attack us through a combination of three of our human facutlies: our imagination, or memory (especially images), and our emotions.

I don't believe so.

Satan = accuser. Nothing more nothing less.

so many people love Satan so much they make him into some more than it really is.

Im not opposed to certain spirits exisitng "school spirit" "spirit of malice" "spirit of hatred"

 

[MatthewG]

This is why the Religious Zealots are considered to be satan, they were accusers.


They hated Jesus, wanted him dead. Just like Job.

 

[Behold]

people shouoldn't trust you or me but go and look for themselves.

Honestly, any person here who has half a brain, who read that you are still taking Drugs, ... Psychedelcs......should view your posts, and point of view, as that of a person who is an admitted continuing druggie.

You have a drug problem, and you seem to be proud of it.

 

[MatthewG]

Honestly, any person here who has half a brain, who read that you are still taking Drugs, ... Psychedelcs......should view your posts, and point of view, as that of a person who is an admitted continuing druggie.

You have a drug problem, and you seem to be proud of it.

I don't have any problems with drugs. I maintain my life, and use things that are legal, (Thc, Mushrooms.)

If I am not maintaining my life then yes, I have a problem. Be it with using available legal sold hemp, or mushrooms.

This is your problem, you're a judge and condemn people for doing whatever they want to do.

That's a problem.

 

[Behold]

I don't have any problems with drugs.

You just dont realize it.
Thats what the Devil does.

You are drinking Mushroom tea?
Right?
Or just consuming the "shroons".. ?

That is not the correct lifestyle of a Chrisitan. , What kind of TESTAMONY is that, that you are presenting as a Christian.

You dont understand this?
You dont care?

Listen, you are harming your mind @MatthewG , you're altering your brain chemistry., and that is Long term harmful to you.

"well, i like it, and its my life, its my choice so, i'll have it my way".

Ok.
Its your free will.

 

[MatthewG]

You just dont realize it.
Thats what the Devil does.

You are drinking Mushroom tea?
Right?
Or just consuming the "shroons".. ?

That is not the lifestyle of a Chrisitan, as you are harming your mind, altering your brain chemistry., and that is harmful to you.

"well, i like it, and its my life, its my choice so, i'll have it my way".

Ok.
Its your free will.

I make my own choices.... The devil has nothing to do with it....

I see you will continue in your venture to gaslight and abuse your ability to act like some type of spiritual authroity.

I don't care.

Not everyone should use anything that they can't handle or maintain their life... judge.


People typically know themselves. You don't know them. You don't know their heart.

 

[Behold]

I make my own choices.... The devil has nothing to do with it....

I see you will continue in your venture to gaslight and abuse your ability to act like some type of spiritual authroity.

Youj are a very rebellious person, with a very rebelliious lifestyle that you have posted as if its to be congratulated.

Maybe one of the Mods or other Members will congratulate you for your drug abuse.

I can't do that for you, as you are too important to God, for me to know what you are doing, and not push you .
And did you want to tall us about the other Drugs?

Never mind.
Just keep that to yourself, but know that you are self inflicting harm upon your mind and body, and that is not the Lifestyle that God saved you to pursue.


-Take care.