What makes a doctrine false?

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Hell was initially created for """"the Devil and His angels".

So, this concludes that its going to be a torment, regarding what its like to be there as its created as their punishment.

Also...Jesus is putting a context on Hell, the torment of it,... by comparing it to tearing out your own eye., that Hell is worse.

Hello, @Behold,

Thank you for for responding.

- You refer to Mat 25:41, 'Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:' (see also Mat, 25:41) This is referring to the lake of fire, for it alone is spoken of as everlasting, Hell itself being cast into it in (Rev, 20:19). Angels are spiritual beings, so I am not able to comment on them in relation to torment, for I have no knowledge of them in that regard.

- Matthew 5;28-29 is the other you refer to:- ''But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.' This is referring to the fires of end time judgment, to Gehenna. If the eye was causing them to sin, with the consequence being judgment, and Gehenna, then plucking it out would be a mercy.

Thank you for showing the other translations of this verse, but I will leave it at this point to avoid derailing the thread.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Subject Heading:- What Makes a Doctrine False?

Hello @St.SteVen,

' I marvel that ye are so soon removed
from Him that called you into the grace of Christ
unto another gospel:
Which is not another;
but there be some that trouble you,
and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven,
preach any other gospel unto you
than that which we have preached unto you,
let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again,
If any man preach any other gospel unto you
than that ye have received,
let him be accursed.'
(Gal 1:6-9)

* Anything which would deny the absolute grace of God in Christ Jesus, would be a false doctrine. Any counterfeit, which introduces the need for works 'for' salvation, or in the opposite extreme suggests that our freedom gives us license to live a life that is not one lived to the glory of God, are both false doctrine. Also if something is made obsolete by Christ, to insist that it remain in practice would be false doctrine.

Just thoughts.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[brightfame52]

'And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life
was cast into the lake of fire.'
(Rev 20:14-15)

Hello :brightfame52,

Hell is not eternal, for it is cast into the lake of fire in Rev.20:14.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Okay same thing

 

[brightfame52]

Not in the sense that it is generally understood.

okay, and how is that ?

 

[brightfame52]

If an eternal hell is the punishment for sin, Jesus didn't pay our sin debt.

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Why you say that ? An unwise presumptuous statement. Even though He didnt pay the sin debt for all humanity, just the elect

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It appears you chose:
5. YOUR "Bible" says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)

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Opinions are like behinds! All have them and all of them stink! We are to take god at His word using all the tools of grammar He created so we may understand each other when we communicate. It is not "my bible" but the bible!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What makes a doctrine false?

Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks.

1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response)

2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't looked into it)

3. Doesn't align with your church's doctrine (your church would say it is false)

4. Doesn't align with your personal doctrine (your views differ)

5. YOUR "Bible" says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)

6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)

7. Everyone knows it's false. (except those who believe it)

the word doctrine literally means truth

A false doctrine would be a false truth

Scripture determines this, Not people. what I think may be false may not be and vice versa.

 

[Behold]

Scripture determines this, Not people. what I think may be false may not be and vice versa.

Regarding Christianity, Paul's Doctrine is The Doctrine for the Church. "In the Time of the Gentiles".. and we are in it.

 

[brightfame52]

We cant receive Christ if we dont receive Him by and through correct Doctrine about who He is and what He has done and for whom. 2 Jn 1:9

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

 

[St. SteVen]

We cant receive Christ if we dont receive Him by and through correct Doctrine about who He is and what He has done and for whom. 2 Jn 1:9

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

That's a nasty translation.

2 Jn 1:9 NIV
Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God;
whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.

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[rockytopva]

A false doctrine? What about false spirit? If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - How about some truthful doctrine
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. - 1 John 1:5

Unfortunately, though, the light and the darkness interact here on planet Earth...Comparing the light and the darkness, the opposite of E/c2 would be z (absolute zero)/ d (darkness)...

Natural z/d - Nothing, empty space.
Mental z/d - Again nothing but empty space.
Spiritual z/d - z (laziness, coldness, hatred) / d (fear, despair, greed, sorrow)

I have met such a variety of spirits.... All within the same mental doctrine! A good doctrine ought to be accompanied with good spirits.

My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you... - Galatians 4:19

When the Christ is formed there will be a wonderful motivation, warmth, love, faith, hope, charity, and joy. When those spiritual things do not accompany a doctrine I worry about the so-called truthful teachings.

When I was young I would seek out good truthful doctrine. My main objective was to live in truth. I quickly learned that one can run across good and terrible people all within the same agreed doctrine.

My people come from good Methodist teaching and would be what I would consider good people. While gathering pictures from my families history I am missing an "Aunt Virginia." Nobody took a picture of her! While pressing my dad over this he finally paused and said... Aunt Virginia was a terrible person! I have discovered one can have good and terrible people all within the same family. Whether it be family kinfolk or actual church family. And one can have a wonderful church... All to have it go bad the next generation.

 

[quietthinker]

okay, and how is that ?

The general understanding is that people are tortured forever by God seeking retribution

 

[Behold]

The general understanding is that people are tortured forever by God seeking retribution

Hell was created for the Devil and His angels.
So, If a person is never born again, by God, then they remain the Devil's spiritual children......so, they end up in the place that was created for their Father.

Going to Hell is a choice............ All you have to do to go there, is die having refused to allow Jesus to die for your sin.
So, your sin, eternally unforgiven, keeps you separated from God for eternity..., and Hell is for those.

John 3:36

 

[rockytopva]

I have no problems with the Catholic church. Not interested in joining.... Or criticizing either.... If I ever get to visit Lake Superior I want to look up the bakery run by Catholic Monks. It would be interesting to spend time with them and chat...

Jampot | Jampot Monks | 6500 M-26, Eagle Harbor, MI 49950, USA

A boutique bakery located near Jacob’s Falls, in Michigan’s Keweenaw Peninsula. The Jampot creates organic delectables, such as: cookies, muffins, candies, fruitcakes, and world famous jams and jellies!

www.poorrockabbey.com

 

[St. SteVen]

Eternal life is a gift of God, received through faith in the all-sufficient sacrifice of Christ. Not all receive it, for they do not all have faith in God or in His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Not all have had the opportunity.
Countless billions have gone to the afterlife with no knowledge of Christ.

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[Behold]

Not all have had the opportunity.
Countless billions have gone to the afterlife with no knowledge of Christ.

You have no faith in God.
See, your "god' is limited because your mind is also, which limits Him.........., but the Real God isnt limited to your small minded opinions.
You'll find out.

 

[St. SteVen]

You have no faith in God.
See, your "god' is limited because your mind is also, which limits Him.........., but the Real God isnt limited to your small minded opinions.
You'll find out.

That saw cuts both ways.

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[Behold]

That saw cuts both ways.

Your saw has no teeth in it.
Your blade is dull.

Let me show you this.. @St. SteVen

God hung the stars and the planets, and put the sun just close enough to the earth to warm it, and just far enough away so that you are not burned to a crisp.
This same Amazing God created His Son inside a Virgin,.., who is the same ONE who created the 1st Adam, out of dirt.
The reason the ocean stops at the shoreline is because God created it to stop at the shore line.
The reason you have air to breath is because of God's design.
The reason you are breathing right now and still have a heart beat, is because He is allowing it. @St. SteVen

So, God the Almighty is well able to reach every single person with the saving message of Christ's death for them.....even if He has to visit them on their death bed, or in their prison, or on a Forum.

"is there anything too hard for God"... ?????????????????????????

Heretics say "yes".

A.) God says......"guess again."

 

[amigo de christo]

I've been told I'm a piece of work all right.

Well i darn sure aint gonna repeat what i been called a piece of .........
Water off a well oiled ducks back . For many are the names, and those names not friendly , of the sheep
WHO WONT COMPROMISE . just a friendly reminder .

 

[brightfame52]

That's a nasty translation.

2 Jn 1:9 NIV
Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God;
whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.

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The translation is fine, did you understand what I stated.