When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

[amigo de christo]

the Temple ceased to be the holy place when the Veil was torn after the Death of Christ on the Cross

no Veil = no more a holy place for it was God who tore down the Veil of Separation

it was WHO that tore down the veil of seperation
and why . Because HE had made the way to GOD complete . HE himself had entered into
THE HEAVENLY ITSELF . and for the sheep who do beleive , YOU can bet that veil has been removed
they now SEE clearly . but the vail sure do remain upon many .
I dont think this generation IN LARGE truly understands the reason for the first physical temple
that which was built by earthen hands , the law given by moses
AND THAT IT WAS ALL BUT A SHADOW OF THE TRUE . And that moses himself , as well as the prophets
as well as the law , which was but for a temporary time , TILL THE TRUE CAME that would enter into
THE VERY HEAVENLY ITSELF .
And if we think the punishment of death was harsh
to those under the law who by two or three witnesses could be put to death ,
I GOT FAR MORE SERIOUS NEWS .
WHAT IS GONNA HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO TROD JESUS UNDER FOOT . its called A FAR SORER punishment .
BUT i have good news . What occurs to those who beleive on HIM and put their TRUST IN HIM
THAT WOULD BE SALVATION , PARADISE , ETERNAL LIFE .
GOD wont be denied . and if the natural branches were cut out due to unbelief
WELL , my advice to all is , continue IN HIS GOODNESS , HIS GOSPEL
lest ye too be CUT OFF . and , AND try preaching the gospel to both the jews and gentiles
WHO IF THEY COME TO FAITH IN HIM , can be graffed IN . OH ITS JESUS for this sheep my friend .
I offer up NO other hope . WHY , because THERE IS NO OTHER HOPE .
TO DENY JESUS IS TO DENY GOD
AND HE WHO LOVETH GOD would HAVE LOVED CHRIST and HE who loves HIM , loveth and keepth HIS SAYINGS .
its real simple my friend . ONLY GOD SAVES . yeah i said only GOD saves .
BUT the WORD who was GOD sure did do just that .

 

[Exegesis]

I appreciate the response @TribulationSigns . We will have to agree to disagree for now.

When I have time, I will make a new thread on the 1260 vs. 1290 vs. 1335 vs 2300 days since no one I have ever seen stays with either the Day/Year Principle or literal days. They always flip-flop from 'day = year' to 'day = day', depending on which twisting of Scripture best fits their convoluted theory. Back and forth they go, hoping they dazzle the Simpletons with their wall of text pretentious sermons.

The fact that no one here is able to stay with one or the other tells me all I need to know about the integrity of their research.

As a side note, folks on this forum really love to make fun of my user name... lol.

 

[amigo de christo]

JESUS is the 70th Week and He was "cut off" in it and HE will Return to complete it = thus 3.5 / GOSPEL / AC 3.5 / 2nd Coming = 1st Ressurection/rapture

You do know that the "One New Man = Jew & Gentile in MESSIAH" will be here until His 2nd Coming = 1 Thess 4:13-18

The one new man , jew and gentile IN MESSIAH have been here and will continue to be here ,
TILL like you said , HIS second coming .
But i have some more news
There is another who has been here too and he is the leader and head of all who dwell in the old man .
HE will be here as well TILL JESUS SECOND COMING , WHEN JESUS WIPES HIM and all who followed him out in WRATH .
OH YES its a one time event all right .

 

[amigo de christo]

Really, please show me the example.


I am speaking to some premillennialists in general who believe this nonsense.


You think so? Where does it say in Scripture that God has defined the number ten as "dominion over something"


Yeah, to carnal minds.


Wrong. The Saints are NOT the angels if you think they are floating around in heaven with wings and halo. The Saints are human messengers (angels) - the host of the Lord.



No they are fallen messengers. Human messengers in the kingdom of Heaven, the congregation on Earth. Not in literal heaven. Selah!


Nope!


No, on Earth. The congregation is the house of God. The kingdom of heaven.


LOL.

Dan 9:27
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The timing of the Crucifixion does not qualify!



Another preterist here? LOL.


Huh?

Where did you get this giants and hybrids nonsense from? Where in the Holy Bible did God actually said this? I do not think you really understand the Word of God. So much for "Exegesis".


No. You have NO CLUES about who the Two Witnesses are, their ministry, and how they spew fire out of their mouths. And how the beast killed them. And how did they resurrect from that death? What is your biblical understanding of this with Scripture?


Yet you have not refute my position with Scripture yet, Mr. Exegesis.


Based on what Scripture where, you find that God has more than one definition , other than power, for horn. I am waiting.


LOL. The interpreation sounds plausible per their assumption on history book. But this is not what God actually talked about. Spiritual discernment is the key.

He-goat with large horns represents the powerful and unchallenged power of Satan's kingdom as he rules over mankind before it was taken away by Christ at the Cross. And the Ram symbolizes the kingdom of Christ with two horns or power of the kingdom of Christ symbolic the power of the Old Testament Israel kingdom and the New Testament Israel kingdom. They are the two congrgations representing the Kingdom of the Ram, yes? So the greater power came up last becasue the New Testament church kingdom started after the fall the Old Testament congregation of Israel. So the greater power came up last because the church went into all the ends of the earth and brought in fruits from all nations, in compare to Old Testament congregation. So that it wasn't just Israel, as was the power of the other horn. That is the greater power of the Ram Kingdom. The later is greater. As it is written:

Deuteronomy 9:13
"Furthermore the LORD spake unto me, saying, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:
Let me alone, that I may destroy them, and blot out their name from under heaven: and I will make of thee a nation mightier and greater than they".

John 14:12
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father".

While blindness has happened to Old Testament Israel, New Testament Israel has grown and brought in countless souls to the throne of Grace by the power of the Kingdom. At least until the later days, when the little horn arises.

Hag 2:7-9
(7) And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.
(8) The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts.
(9) The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the LORD of hosts.

The Lord is talking about the New Testament Congregation - the latter house which is indeed greater than Israel as far as gathering the Elects are concerned!

Mt 21:42
"Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

This is the greater power, the greater holy nation, the greater horn that comes up last! And this nation brings forth fruits. You follow what I'm saying? Abraham's seed is no longer just Israel, but great multitudes from all nations as the sand of the sea. Selah!

marvel not when i say to you and to us all , ITS QUITE plain to see that men are capable of beleiving anything .
SO now the ten kings are not of this world but are nephlims . I thought for sure this had to be a joke
till i realized , NO EXEGISIS actually did write it .
SO i have another round of news for us all .
As i wrote above its possible for man to believe just about anything .
But guess who the sheep BELEIVE . JESUS THE CHRIST and not men who twist and omit HIS words .
The sheep BELEIVE THE KING . AND in that bible do they feast daily .

 

[amigo de christo]

I appreciate the response @TribulationSigns . We will have to agree to disagree for now.

When I have time, I will make a new thread on the 1260 vs. 1290 vs. 1335 vs 2300 days since no one I have ever seen stays with either the Day/Year Principle or literal days. They always flip-flop from 'day = year' to 'day = day', depending on which twisting of Scripture best fits their convoluted theory. Back and forth they go, hoping they dazzle the Simpletons with their wall of text pretentious sermons.

The fact that no one here is able to stay with one or the other tells me all I need to know about the integrity of their research.

As a side note, folks on this forum really love to make fun of my user name... lol.

I want to focus on your last sentence . you said folks on this forum love to make fun of your user name .
But what i say to you and i say to all
MANY church folks love to call this sheep names . ANTI CHRIST , HATER , son of perdtion
devil and friend i wont even begin to list the four letter ones or words that related to the four letter ones
That i have been called . STRAP ON THE ARMOUR and i worry NOT what men think of me
or what they call me .
LET GOD BE GLORIFIED , CHRIST GLORIFIED IN ME and may souls be saved , and i pray for those who even hate me most .
BUT THIS SHEEP WONT CONFORM TO THEM . And it will cost me much more in the days ahead .
SO allow me to tell you or remind you of something I KNOW is of ANTI CHRIST
INTERFAITH finding common ground for world peace . DONT support it in any way
or follow anyone whose under any kind of its influence . YOU rebuke them
DO all to pull them out of that delusion and fast .

 

[Marvelloustime]

I want to focus on your last sentence . you said folks on this forum love to make fun of your user name .
But what i say to you and i say to all
MANY church folks love to call this sheep names . ANTI CHRIST , HATER , son of perdtion
devil and friend i wont even begin to list the four letter ones or words that related to the four letter ones
That i have been called . STRAP ON THE ARMOUR and i worry NOT what men think of me
or what they call me .
LET GOD BE GLORIFIED , CHRIST GLORIFIED IN ME and may souls be saved , and i pray for those who even hate me most .
BUT THIS SHEEP WONT CONFORM TO THEM . And it will cost me much more in the days ahead .
SO allow me to tell you or remind you of something I KNOW is of ANTI CHRIST
INTERFAITH finding common ground for world peace . DONT support it in any way
or follow anyone whose under any kind of its influence . YOU rebuke them
DO all to pull them out of that delusion and fast .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

it was WHO that tore down the veil of seperation
and why . Because HE had made the way to GOD complete . HE himself had entered into
THE HEAVENLY ITSELF . and for the sheep who do beleive , YOU can bet that veil has been removed
they now SEE clearly . but the vail sure do remain upon many .
I dont think this generation IN LARGE truly understands the reason for the first physical temple
that which was built by earthen hands , the law given by moses
AND THAT IT WAS ALL BUT A SHADOW OF THE TRUE . And that moses himself , as well as the prophets
as well as the law , which was but for a temporary time , TILL THE TRUE CAME that would enter into
THE VERY HEAVENLY ITSELF .
And if we think the punishment of death was harsh
to those under the law who by two or three witnesses could be put to death ,
I GOT FAR MORE SERIOUS NEWS .
WHAT IS GONNA HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO TROD JESUS UNDER FOOT . its called A FAR SORER punishment .
BUT i have good news . What occurs to those who beleive on HIM and put their TRUST IN HIM
THAT WOULD BE SALVATION , PARADISE , ETERNAL LIFE .
GOD wont be denied . and if the natural branches were cut out due to unbelief
WELL , my advice to all is , continue IN HIS GOODNESS , HIS GOSPEL
lest ye too be CUT OFF . and , AND try preaching the gospel to both the jews and gentiles
WHO IF THEY COME TO FAITH IN HIM , can be graffed IN . OH ITS JESUS for this sheep my friend .
I offer up NO other hope . WHY , because THERE IS NO OTHER HOPE .
TO DENY JESUS IS TO DENY GOD
AND HE WHO LOVETH GOD would HAVE LOVED CHRIST and HE who loves HIM , loveth and keepth HIS SAYINGS .
its real simple my friend . ONLY GOD SAVES . yeah i said only GOD saves .
BUT the WORD who was GOD sure did do just that .

@amigo de christo

 

[TribulationSigns]

I appreciate the response @TribulationSigns . We will have to agree to disagree for now.

Fine. Like I said to many others, the Lord judges, and I am comfortable with it.

When I have time, I will make a new thread on the 1260 vs. 1290 vs. 1335 vs 2300 days since no one I have ever seen stays with either the Day/Year Principle or literal days. They always flip-flop from 'day = year' to 'day = day', depending on which twisting of Scripture best fits their convoluted theory. Back and forth they go, hoping they dazzle the Simpletons with their wall of text pretentious sermons.

Don’t bother—some, like Douggg, have already tried, and it’s the same tired routine. And sorry to disappoint, but these prophetic days were never meant to be taken literally, as so many self-appointed experts and false prophets have insisted, tossing them at 70 AD, 500 AD, 1948AD, 1967AD, as false prophets so eagerly claim while dragging in the Papacy, National Israel or today's news like it's a prophetic wildcard. It’s prophecy-by-puzzle-piece theology, not sound (your name). Scripture interprets Scripture, not headlines or historical guesswork.

The fact that no one here is able to stay with one or the other tells me all I need to know about the integrity of their research.

Try me.

As a side note, folks on this forum really love to make fun of my user name... lol.

Glad you enjoyed it.

 

[amigo de christo]

@amigo de christo
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The rains of the lovely gems are pouring down . Trench on sister till the last breath . Let the GLORIOUS LORD
be praised .

 

[TribulationSigns]

marvel not when i say to you and to us all , ITS QUITE plain to see that men are capable of beleiving anything .
SO now the ten kings are not of this world but are nephlims . I thought for sure this had to be a joke
till i realized , NO EXEGISIS actually did write it .
SO i have another round of news for us all .
As i wrote above its possible for man to believe just about anything .
But guess who the sheep BELEIVE . JESUS THE CHRIST and not men who twist and omit HIS words .
The sheep BELEIVE THE KING . AND in that bible do they feast daily .

Ah yes, the irony is rich. You lecture about people believing “just about anything”… right after claiming the ten kings in Revelation are Nephilim. That’s quite the spiritual high dive into the deep end of fantasy. Remind me again—where in the text does Revelation 17 or 18 say anything about giants, hybrid beings, or anything remotely connected to Genesis 6? Oh right—it doesn’t. But hey, why let biblical silence get in the way of a good conspiracy theory?

You shout that “the sheep believe the King”—and yet here you are, grazing in a pasture of made-up doctrines with zero exegesis and plenty of imagination. Jesus said, “My sheep hear My voice” (John 10:27), not “My sheep chase after Nephilim-infused prophecy theories.”

If twisting Scripture is your concern, you might want to look in the mirror. Reading Nephilim into the ten kings isn’t just adding to the text—it’s rewriting it. And Revelation has something to say about that: “If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues written in this book” (Revelation 22:18).

So yes, marvel not indeed—because it's quite plain to see that men are capable of believing anything… especially when it’s not in the Bible.

 

[David in NJ]

Fine. Like I said to many others, the Lord judges, and I am comfortable with it.



Don’t bother—some, like Douggg, have already tried, and it’s the same tired routine. And sorry to disappoint, but these prophetic days were never meant to be taken literally, as so many self-appointed experts and false prophets have insisted, tossing them at 70 AD, 500 AD, 1948AD, 1967AD, as false prophets so eagerly claim while dragging in the Papacy, National Israel or today's news like it's a prophetic wildcard. It’s prophecy-by-puzzle-piece theology, not sound (your name). Scripture interprets Scripture, not headlines or historical guesswork.



Try me.



Glad you enjoyed it.

Scripture interprets Scripture, not headlines or historical guesswork

All TRUE and TRUSTWORTHY

 

[David in NJ]

Ah yes, the irony is rich. You lecture about people believing “just about anything”… right after claiming the ten kings in Revelation are Nephilim. That’s quite the spiritual high dive into the deep end of fantasy. Remind me again—where in the text does Revelation 17 or 18 say anything about giants, hybrid beings, or anything remotely connected to Genesis 6? Oh right—it doesn’t. But hey, why let biblical silence get in the way of a good conspiracy theory?

You shout that “the sheep believe the King”—and yet here you are, grazing in a pasture of made-up doctrines with zero exegesis and plenty of imagination. Jesus said, “My sheep hear My voice” (John 10:27), not “My sheep chase after Nephilim-infused prophecy theories.”

If twisting Scripture is your concern, you might want to look in the mirror. Reading Nephilim into the ten kings isn’t just adding to the text—it’s rewriting it. And Revelation has something to say about that: “If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues written in this book” (Revelation 22:18).

So yes, marvel not indeed—because it's quite plain to see that men are capable of believing anything… especially when it’s not in the Bible.

Not siding with anyone here but what you said earlier = "Scripture interprets Scripture"

JESUS Says: "as in the days of Noah, so shall the return of the son of Man be"

Revelation CLEARLY reiterates the words of JESUS = Rev 12:4
And his tail drags a third of the stars of heaven, and he cast them to the earth.

Scripture interprets Scripture

 

[TribulationSigns]

Not siding with anyone here but what you said earlier = "Scripture interprets Scripture"

JESUS Says: "as in the days of Noah, so shall the return of the son of Man be"

Revelation CLEARLY reiterates the words of JESUS = Rev 12:4
And his tail drags a third of the stars of heaven, and he cast them to the earth.

Scripture interprets Scripture

What point are you trying to make here about Revelation 12:4?

Rev 12:3-6
(3) And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
(4) And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
(5) And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
(6) And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Do you understand what the context was talking about? Was there a woman floating in space? A literal dragon big enough to strike down a third of the literal stars of the universe down to Earth? Or did Christ spiritualize them, humm?