New thread started as to not hijack the other..
You said proving it was easy.
Then prove what I actually asked you.
I did not ask what “all these things” means.
I asked what Jesus meant by:
“THIS generation.”
Bolding “all these things” does not make “this” disappear.
Christ warned them.
Christ literally named their generation.
Jerusalem fell.
The Temple came down in AD 70 just as He foretold.
And now your system walks into the ruins 2,000 years later and tells Christ:
“No, Lord. Not really.
‘This generation’ wasn't really this generation.
What You warned them about wasn't really fulfilled in them.
You were secretly talking about somebody thousands of years later on the other side of the world; our congregation.”
Do you understand the gravity of that?
You're not merely "interpreting Christ."
You are correcting Him.
Worse, you're taking Christ's ordinary words, discovering that they do not naturally produce your prophetic system, and then forcing His words to mean something else so the system can survive.
That's not reverence for Scripture.
That's putting doctrine in judgment over the Son of God.
Follow that logic to its end and you are effectively denying the Sonship you claim to defend. If Jesus could be wrong about His own prophecy, then you have reduced the Son of God to a fallible religious teacher.
The Apostolic Fathers would not have treated “Jesus gave the prophecy but was mistaken about what generation would see its fulfillment” as an innocent disagreement over an end-times chart. If your theology genuinely makes Christ a false or mistaken prophet,
then it attacks the very confession that He is the Messiah and Son of God.
It's the language of secret knowledge
“You cannot see what Christ really meant because you have not learned our system yet. Accept our doctrine first, and then you will understand why His words do not really mean what they appear to mean.”
That is spiritually poisonous. It has the logic of serpentine speech; the system first convinces you that Christ’s plain words cannot be trusted without the system.
Which sounds exactly like this:
"Our interpretation is not contradicted by God’s Word. Your inability to find it in the text merely proves that you do not understand God’s Word. The text does not naturally produce our doctrine, so you must first accept our doctrine in order to understand God’s Word."
This is self-sealing eisegesis; a counterfeit authority that no longer submits itself to the Word of God, but demands that the Word of God submit to it.
Your system is asking Christians to distrust the plain speech of Jesus Christ in order to remain loyal to a manmade, theological framework whose modern dispensational form arose centuries after Christ and the Apostolic Church. The fact that this does not alarm you is staggering.
So again:
Where does JESUS HIMSELF say:
“When I say ‘this generation,’ I actually mean an entirely different generation thousands of years from now on the other side of the world”?
Show me the words.
Not your chart.
Not your system.
Not what some misled "teacher" told you the sentence must secretly mean.
Show me Christ saying it in God's raw Word.
Because if Jesus says “this generation” and your doctrine requires “some other generation,” I will not correct Christ to save your doctrine.
And I certainly will not stand before Him someday and say:
“Lord, I knew what You said. But my prophecy system told me You meant something else.”
If your doctrine survives only by making the Son of God appear to say one thing while secretly meaning another—
burn the doctrine.
For a perfect example of what prophecy systems like yours do, please refer to post #32 on this thread for enlightenment.
"If Darby had done to the TV show Happy Days what he did to the Holy Bible, it would go something like this"
There Should Be Only One Denomination: The Raw Word of God
You said proving it was easy.
Then prove what I actually asked you.
I did not ask what “all these things” means.
I asked what Jesus meant by:
“THIS generation.”
Bolding “all these things” does not make “this” disappear.
Christ warned them.
Christ literally named their generation.
Jerusalem fell.
The Temple came down in AD 70 just as He foretold.
And now your system walks into the ruins 2,000 years later and tells Christ:
“No, Lord. Not really.
‘This generation’ wasn't really this generation.
What You warned them about wasn't really fulfilled in them.
You were secretly talking about somebody thousands of years later on the other side of the world; our congregation.”
Do you understand the gravity of that?
You're not merely "interpreting Christ."
You are correcting Him.
Worse, you're taking Christ's ordinary words, discovering that they do not naturally produce your prophetic system, and then forcing His words to mean something else so the system can survive.
That's not reverence for Scripture.
That's putting doctrine in judgment over the Son of God.
Follow that logic to its end and you are effectively denying the Sonship you claim to defend. If Jesus could be wrong about His own prophecy, then you have reduced the Son of God to a fallible religious teacher.
The Apostolic Fathers would not have treated “Jesus gave the prophecy but was mistaken about what generation would see its fulfillment” as an innocent disagreement over an end-times chart. If your theology genuinely makes Christ a false or mistaken prophet,
then it attacks the very confession that He is the Messiah and Son of God.
It's the language of secret knowledge
“You cannot see what Christ really meant because you have not learned our system yet. Accept our doctrine first, and then you will understand why His words do not really mean what they appear to mean.”
That is spiritually poisonous. It has the logic of serpentine speech; the system first convinces you that Christ’s plain words cannot be trusted without the system.
Which sounds exactly like this:
"Our interpretation is not contradicted by God’s Word. Your inability to find it in the text merely proves that you do not understand God’s Word. The text does not naturally produce our doctrine, so you must first accept our doctrine in order to understand God’s Word."
This is self-sealing eisegesis; a counterfeit authority that no longer submits itself to the Word of God, but demands that the Word of God submit to it.
Your system is asking Christians to distrust the plain speech of Jesus Christ in order to remain loyal to a manmade, theological framework whose modern dispensational form arose centuries after Christ and the Apostolic Church. The fact that this does not alarm you is staggering.
So again:
Where does JESUS HIMSELF say:
“When I say ‘this generation,’ I actually mean an entirely different generation thousands of years from now on the other side of the world”?
Show me the words.
Not your chart.
Not your system.
Not what some misled "teacher" told you the sentence must secretly mean.
Show me Christ saying it in God's raw Word.
Because if Jesus says “this generation” and your doctrine requires “some other generation,” I will not correct Christ to save your doctrine.
And I certainly will not stand before Him someday and say:
“Lord, I knew what You said. But my prophecy system told me You meant something else.”
If your doctrine survives only by making the Son of God appear to say one thing while secretly meaning another—
burn the doctrine.
For a perfect example of what prophecy systems like yours do, please refer to post #32 on this thread for enlightenment.
"If Darby had done to the TV show Happy Days what he did to the Holy Bible, it would go something like this"
There Should Be Only One Denomination: The Raw Word of God
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