Davy noted:
"(Satan) not in person on earth yet"
Bible noted:
"Your adversary the devil prowls around...seeking someone to devour."
(1Peter 5:8)
When Might Satan With His Angels Come to This Earth For the Tribulation?
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"(Satan) not in person on earth yet"
Bible noted:
"Your adversary the devil prowls around...seeking someone to devour."
(1Peter 5:8)
I know it was Satan as "that old serpent".
But demons, familiar spirits, fallen angels (other than those of Gen.6), are all the same type of spirits. The fallen angels of Gen.6 are kept in Tartaroo (deepest part of the abyss) in chains, until the Great Day of God's Judgment (Jude 6).
Are you serious??
You mean YOU do not understand that Satan is a heavenly being, a cherub, and NOT a flesh man????
I guess you think God created us with a flesh body AND THAT'S ALL THERE IS, RIGHT??? No, that is not right.
Satan today prowls around in his SPIRIT BODY, INVISIBLE, even though he still has the image of man which God created all the angels with.
But when Satan is cast OUT OF HEAVEN WITH HIS ANGELS, that is when he will be actually SEEN APPEARING WITH THE IMAGE OF MAN, ON THIS EARTH. And it's obvious you are not prepared for that. But you will have a lot of deceived company with you when it happens.
Fallen angels, including the cherub Satan, are currently roaming the earth (1Peter 5:8).
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According to the Bible:
Satan is a cherub (Ezekiel 28:16, not an angel, big difference), he is not the only cherub, he is not invisible. He has a body, as do all cherubim, angels, people, animals, and plants. He was in existence before our own universe, as were all the angels and other cherubim. He got arrogant and was expelled from heaven to earth. See Isaiah 14:12, Ezekiel 28:16.
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Only partially true. You need to heed Jude 6. The angels of Genesis 6 that took wives of the daughters of Adam, and produced giant-hybrids are NOT roaming the earth. They are locked in chains in the Abyss. But they do not represent all... of the angels which rebelled with Satan. One third of the angels rebelled with Lucifer at his original fall in the 'old world'. Thus not all of Satan's angels participated in the sin of Genesis 6 in Noah's day.
Satan is called an angel also. The word 'angel' itself is not about a specie of heavenly being like the word cherub is.
Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
KJV
The names "Abaddon" and "Apollyon" mean 'The Destroyer'.
The Greek for Apollyon comes from apollumi which means to perish. Only Satan and his angels to date have already been judged and sentenced to 'perish' in the future "lake of fire". That's why the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition is another title for Satan himself...
Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV
Rev 17:11
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV
Notice that in Revelation 17:8 Lord Jesus gave us outright the identity of the coming false-Messiah/Antichrist to Jerusalem to play GOD. It is the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition, the same "king" and "angel of the bottomless pit" of Revelation 9, which is Satan. And... Jesus reveals also that those alive on earth will actually SEE Satan manifested in OUR earthly dimension; that's what that, "... and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."
That means only Christ's elect whose names are written in the book of life will recognize that false one that shows up on earth in OUR EARTHLY DIMENSION will be Satan himself, IN PERSON, ON EARTH.
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Tartarus (ταρταρος) is Greek mythology.
The Greek New Testament speaks of Gehenna (γεεννα) = "Valley of the son of Himmom."
"Angel of the bottomless pit" (αγγελον της αβυσσου, Revelation 9:11) is apparently a fallen angel.
Genesis 6:1-4 "sons of God" fathered the נפךים (Nephilim), i.e. "large, powerful men" (not angels). Adam was also a "son of God" (Luke 3:38).
"One third of the angels" refers to Zechariah 13:8-9.
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When Might Satan With His Angels Come to This Earth For the Tribulation?
They've been here for some time. How is it you haven't noticed?
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Satan and his angels were cast to earth long ago, Israel is the woman and Jesus Christ is the man child, Satan stood before the man child trying to devour the infant Jesus on this earth when King Herod put out the decree to kill all children 2 years and younger Matt 2:16, Jesus was born and after his resurrection he was caught up to the throne of God where he presently sits at the right hand of the Father (Past Tense Fulfilled)
Jesus Christ in human flesh as he walked upon this earth stated he beheld Satan cast out of heaven to earth roughly 2,000+ years ago
Luke 10:17-18KJV
17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Peter testified to the fact that Satan the Devil is on this earth seeking to devour
1 Peter 5:8KJV
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Revelation 12:1-5KJV
1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
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There are angels, cherubim, humans, animals, plants, trees, all different living things. In this context "demon" = "an evil spirit" (Oxford English Dictionary).
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See 2 Peter 2:4. The KJV word "hell" is Greek tartaroo (NT:5020) in the NT manuscripts (Textus Receptus).
The Angel of the bottomless pit is Satan himself. That is why Revelation 9:11 says he is a "king" with titles of Destroyer in both Hebrew and Greek.
What you are saying does not address ANY of the relevant Revelation 12:7-17 verses.
Rev.12:7 -- the war in Heaven between Archangel Michael and his angels vs. Satan and his angels. Daniel 12:1 is a parallel, for it is when Michael stands up (i.e., makes a stand). It is also when Satan is loosed, because like Apostle Paul showed in 2 Thess.2, the one holding him is taken out of the way, which is about Michael in Daniel 10 helping Gabriel withhold Satan until this future war takes place.
Rev.12:8 -- then Satan, with his angels, are cast our of the Heavenly dimension, completely, and not allowed back in. There's only TWO dimensions of existence mentioned in all of God's Word, this earthly one we live in, and the heavenly one where God and the angels live, including the abode of hell which Satan is over.
Rev.12:9 -- Satan, the dragon, and that old serpent, is cast down to earth in OUR earthly dimension, with his angels. The whole world will actually SEE him with the image of man, and wonder at who he is (Rev.17:8).
Rev.12:10 -- once Satan is cast down to earth out of Heaven, then in.... Heaven, will come complete Salvation in the Power of Jesus Christ, because Satan will no more be allowed to approach God's Throne and accuse us before God. These events never happened at Satan's original fall. Satan and his angels appeared before God's Throne to accuse Job, so this ought to make it easy to know this war in Heaven is still yet to happen.
Rev.12:11 -- these overcomers represent believers on Jesus Christ that will be tried during the coming great tribulation, per the 5th Seal of Rev.6. This would not have been possible at the time of Satan's original fall, which this is yet another indicator that this war in Heaven is still future, and is linked to the coming "great tribulation" time.
Rev.12:12 -- Satan will have great wrath against God's people once he is cast out of Heaven, for he knows he has but a "short time." That short time represents the "great tribulation" at the end of this world.
Rev.12:13 -- once the war happens, and Satan is cast to earth, he will specifically go after the Church, Christ's elect who know the Truth. The rest of the world will be deceived and will worship him as God, as per Rev.13:4-8.
Rev.12:14 -- Jesus uses the 1260 day latter half of Daniel's symbolic "one week" to point to Satan going after Christ's faithful Church once Satan realizes he is cast down to earth in our earthly dimension. Jesus promised His elect who stay in His Word, that they will be protected from that "hour of temptation", which is about the temptation to worship Satan playing our Lord Jesus Christ in Jerusalem.
Rev.12:15-16 -- Jesus uses the event of Noah's flood as an analogy for Satan's working during the coming "great tribulation" upon Christ's elect. Per Genesis 7, Noah's ark was upon the HEIGHT of the flood waters for 150 days. Per old Hebrew reckoning, that 150 days represented five months. And back in Rev.9 Jesus showed those NOT sealed with God's Seal will be subject to the locust stinging for "five months". That represents the shortened time of the "great tribulation" which Jesus said He would shorten. The waters AS a flood comes out of the serpents' MOUTH, which means LIES. That was also shown in the Rev.9 Chapter by the locust army, and is what the 'stinging' upon the un-sealed is about, i.e., DECEPTION.
Rev.12:17 -- Satan as that "dragon" then goes in final to make war upon Christ's elect Church who keep God's commandments and have the Testimony of Jesus Christ.
I recommend you rely on how God's Word defines the idea of evil spirits, familiar spirits, fallen angels, cherubim, seraphim, etc.
The word 'demon' is nowhere found in the Old Testament nor New Testament manuscripts.
Evil spirits, familiar spirits, fallen angels, devils, are simply followers of Satan when Satan first rebelled against God. God created them with an angelic spirit body just as He did with all the other angels.
But cherubim and seraphim are different, and are of a higher hierarchy. Lucifer, per God's parable about him in Ezekiel 28, was created to guard God's Throne as an anointed cherub that covereth (covering the Mercy Seat). God made him perfect in his ways originally, before Lucifer coveted God's Throne for himself, which is how he fell.
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I Disagree, Jesus watched Satan being cast out of heaven prior to his spoken words 2,000+ years ago, it's that simple
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<Greek tartaroo>
The Greek in 2Peter2:4 is ταρταρος, rendered in English letters as tartaros. The Oxford Greek-English Lexicon defines it as "nether world."
"Bottomless pit/abyss" (Revelation 9:1) is Greek αβυσος (abusos) = "unfathomable depth."
English "unfathomable" is comprised of:
un. = not
fathom = measure
able = doable
I.e. "not measurable."
In a practicle sense: "really, really deep."
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o. 2 Peter 2:4 says ταρταρος = "the nether world" (Oxford Greek Dictionary).
o. Satan currently roams the earth (Job 1:7, 2:2).
o. "Angel of the bottomless pit" is in a deep, deep place in the earth, perhaps a cavern, the Bible gives no details. It seems lots of fallen angels were consigned there as well at the resurrection of Jesus (1Peter 3:19-20, 2Peter 2:4), and this angel is a leader there.
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