When murder is legal

[Webers_Home]

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Axehead, on 21 Feb 2013 - 13:05, said : You need not fear hell unless
you walk away from the Lord and the Spirit of God leaves you. I don't mean
having an argument with Him, I mean really walking away from Him and
hating him and telling Him by your actions that you want nothing to do with
Him or His cross.

So; it is your opinion that if someone with eternal life were to renounce
Christ, refute the gospel, and hate, despise, and disown God; that God
will take eternal life away from them?

Well of course it's impossible to take eternal life as if it were human life
because eternal life is a species of life that cannot die; therefore it's
impervious to the wages of sin.

†. Rom 6:23 . .The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life
in Christ Jesus our Lord.

And since eternal life is impervious to the wages of sin, then it has full and
complete immunity from prosecution no matter if its owner were to renounce
Christ, refute the gospel, and hate, despise, and disown God.

†. John 5:24 . . I assure you: those who listen to my message, and believe
in God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for
their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

When people are transferred from death to the species of life about which
Jesus spoke; it's a one-way trip. If that were not true, then eternal life wouldn't
be eternal; it would instead be just as temporal, just as fragile, and just as subject
to termination as human life. In point of fact, if eternal life was vulnerable to death,
then it would be possible for God to commit suicide.

Axehead, on 21 Feb 2013 - 13:05, said : Let's wait until the end of each
person's life and see if the confession of their lips matches their confession
and actions just before they die. Do they still love the Lord or do they hate
Him?

It doesn't matter in the slightest whether somebody with eternal life either
loves or hates Christ since they have immunity from prosecution for their sins.
In point of fact, according to Rom 5:6-11 it isn't necessary to love Christ in
order to be protected by his crucifixion.

Buen Camino
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[Rex]

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It doesn't matter in the slightest whether somebody with eternal life either
loves or hates Christ since they have immunity from prosecution for their sins.
In point of fact, according to Rom 5:6-11 it isn't necessary to love Christ in
order to be protected by his crucifixion.

Buen Camino
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It would seem to me that you may have never experienced life in Christ, being en-powered with the Spirit.
If you had IMO you would know that it is not of yourself but of Christ.

This
power and presents has made itself know to me personally threw the
years I care very little what troubles or hardships may lay ahead,
I know that what ever it may be, my Lord will make it know
and empower me to stand up or lay down, in ether or, or what ever the
outcome, it is a joy beyond discription.

For me to live is Christ and I stand ready to respond to His calling through the Spirit to serve my Lord Jesus Christ.
It makes a great deal of difference. I can't imagine casting away the life with-in me and pretending to know the way.

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

When we pull the trigger on a mechanical device is not the moment we become a murderer.

It begins the moment we have hatred or anger in our heart and want to kill someone.

Most people have had at least a split second of anger and hatred toward someone at one time in their life.

We may not follow through and actually kill them .... but that is beside the point.

............

Can Jesus forgive sins ?
Can Jesus forgive murder?
What did Jesus say when the people were taking Him to be crucified ?
"Jesus said, “Father, forgive them"

 

[veteran]

I truly worry about some of you all's thinking. Did you not read the post below of what our Lord said?

????

Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Notice Christ said even for being angry against a brother without cause can put one "in danger of the judgment". Who doesn't understand that?

Who was He speaking that to? To His disciples.

Shall we then think some ignorant thought to try and do away with that too, like, "Well Jesus said that before His crucifixion and resurrection, so it don't apply to us who are saved."

Yes it does... still apply to us who have believed on Him unto Salvation.

To do murder, even for a believer, is to put theirself in danger of the judgment!

 

[Axehead]

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Axehead, on 21 Feb 2013 - 13:05, said : You need not fear hell unless
you walk away from the Lord and the Spirit of God leaves you. I don't mean
having an argument with Him, I mean really walking away from Him and
hating him and telling Him by your actions that you want nothing to do with
Him or His cross.

So; it is your opinion that if someone with eternal life were to renounce
Christ, refute the gospel, and hate, despise, and disown God; that God
will take eternal life away from them?

Well of course it's impossible to take eternal life as if it were human life
because eternal life is a species of life that cannot die; therefore it's
impervious to the wages of sin.

†. Rom 6:23 . .The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life
in Christ Jesus our Lord.

And since eternal life is impervious to the wages of sin, then it has full and
complete immunity from prosecution no matter if its owner were to renounce
Christ, refute the gospel, and hate, despise, and disown God.

†. John 5:24 . . I assure you: those who listen to my message, and believe
in God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for
their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

When people are transferred from death to the species of life about which
Jesus spoke; it's a one-way trip. If that were not true, then eternal life wouldn't
be eternal; it would instead be just as temporal, just as fragile, and just as subject
to termination as human life. In point of fact, if eternal life was vulnerable to death,
then it would be possible for God to commit suicide.

Axehead, on 21 Feb 2013 - 13:05, said : Let's wait until the end of each
person's life and see if the confession of their lips matches their confession
and actions just before they die. Do they still love the Lord or do they hate
Him?

It doesn't matter in the slightest whether somebody with eternal life either
loves or hates Christ since they have immunity from prosecution for their sins.
In point of fact, according to Rom 5:6-11 it isn't necessary to love Christ in
order to be protected by his crucifixion.

Buen Camino
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Hey there Weber,

You are preaching a false gospel of false security that destroys and makes void the life of obedience and the walk of holiness that is an imperative from Jesus Christ. Your teaching that people receive immunity by "praying a prayer" or "walking the aisle" makes void any reason to embrace the Cross and deny the flesh and live "unto God".

Do you believe in Unconditional Election, too?

The promises of God are predicated upon continued faithfulness towards Him and the doctrine of demons that you have embraced and are propagating makes most of the New Testament, pointless.

Axehead

 

[Angelina]

Hell is for make-believe Christians. Those like me who truly believe are in
no danger whatsoever; and repentance is for losers.

Webers_Home, hell is in the bible and repentance is part of our Christian walk...If you are not a Christian, then what are you? :huh:

BB

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

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†. Ex 20:13 . .You shall not kill.

The Hebrew word for "kill" in that commandment is a bit ambiguous, but
additional commandments indicate that the killing in Ex 20:13 means
murder.

†. Ex 21:13-14 . . If a man schemes and kills another man deliberately, you
shall take him away from my very altar and put him to death.

†. Num 35:31 . . Do not accept a ransom for the life of a murderer, who
deserves to die. He must surely be put to death.

Can one of the Lord's sheep go to hell for murder? No; and in point of fact,
they couldn't go to hell even if they broke all ten of the ten commandments;
and the reason is that the commandments have jurisdiction over people only
while they're alive.

†. Rom 7:1-3 . . Are you unaware, brothers (for I am speaking to people
who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over one as long as one
lives? Thus a married woman is bound by law to her living husband; but if
her husband dies, she is released from the law in respect to her husband.
Consequently, while her husband is alive she will be called an adulteress if
she consorts with another man. But if her husband dies she is free from that
law, and she is not an adulteress if she consorts with another man.

That is a really difficult revelation to make sense of for those of us raised as
Catholics. We had it drilled into us since practically the first day of catechism
that the commandments are mortal sins. Well; they are mortal sins for
everybody else but not for the Lord's sheep because, as far as God is
concerned, the Lord's sheep are deceased.

†. Rom 6:3 . . Are you unaware that we who were baptized into Christ Jesus
were baptized into his death?

†. Rom 6:6 . .We know that our old self was crucified with him

†. Rom 7:4 . . You were put to death to the law through the body of Christ,

†. Gal 2:19 . . I have been crucified with Christ

†. Col 3:3 . . For you have died

In reality then, and in practicality, the Lord's sheep enjoy just as much
immunity to God's laws against murder as Cain did. That is quite an
advantage.

Buen Camino
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†. Ex 20:13 . .You shall not kill.

The Hebrew word for "kill" in that commandment is a bit ambiguous, but
additional commandments indicate that the killing in Ex 20:13 means
murder.

†. Ex 21:13-14 . . If a man schemes and kills another man deliberately, you
shall take him away from my very altar and put him to death.

†. Num 35:31 . . Do not accept a ransom for the life of a murderer, who
deserves to die. He must surely be put to death.

Can one of the Lord's sheep go to hell for murder? No; and in point of fact,
they couldn't go to hell even if they broke all ten of the ten commandments;
and the reason is that the commandments have jurisdiction over people only
while they're alive.

†. Rom 7:1-3 . . Are you unaware, brothers (for I am speaking to people
who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over one as long as one
lives? Thus a married woman is bound by law to her living husband; but if
her husband dies, she is released from the law in respect to her husband.
Consequently, while her husband is alive she will be called an adulteress if
she consorts with another man. But if her husband dies she is free from that
law, and she is not an adulteress if she consorts with another man.

That is a really difficult revelation to make sense of for those of us raised as
Catholics. We had it drilled into us since practically the first day of catechism
that the commandments are mortal sins. Well; they are mortal sins for
everybody else but not for the Lord's sheep because, as far as God is
concerned, the Lord's sheep are deceased.

†. Rom 6:3 . . Are you unaware that we who were baptized into Christ Jesus
were baptized into his death?

†. Rom 6:6 . .We know that our old self was crucified with him

†. Rom 7:4 . . You were put to death to the law through the body of Christ,

†. Gal 2:19 . . I have been crucified with Christ

†. Col 3:3 . . For you have died

In reality then, and in practicality, the Lord's sheep enjoy just as much
immunity to God's laws against murder as Cain did. That is quite an
advantage.

Buen Camino
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So, what you're really saying is get yourself saved and go and sin like the devil, since you have now total immunity.

 

[clark thompson]

As believe we are to mercy like Jesus showed us

 

[Mr.Bride]

You are what you are when you get here. You cant change what you are. Before the foundation of the world God knew who's child you were, and what you were going to do. Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind. V48 Which when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. In that net there were crabs, snakes, crawfish, and fish. The fish was the only thing that was going to be kept. The crabs snakes and crawfish couldn't help what they were. God does the judging

 

[Axehead]

You are what you are when you get here. You cant change what you are. Before the foundation of the world God knew who's child you were, and what you were going to do. Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind. V48 Which when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. In that net there were crabs, snakes, crawfish, and fish. The fish was the only thing that was going to be kept. The crabs snakes and crawfish couldn't help what they were. God does the judging

From God's standpoint it is easy to say that He knows all things. But, what is the sinner's responsibility to God's call and then what is the Professor of Christ's ongoing responsibility after he has answered the call?

Is there no responsibility for Saint or Sinner? If not, then there can be no condemnation or rewards and God is engaging in a fickle playtime with human creatures.

 

[Webers_Home]

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I pointed out in post #16, that believers have eternal life right now-- no delay
and no waiting period. So then, what are believers supposed to be believing?

To begin with: biblical belief contains the element of "trust" which Webster's
defines as: assured reliance on the character, ability, strength, or truth of
someone or something. For example:

Numbers 21:5-9 records an incident in Israel's past when Yhvh's people
grumbled about the quality of God's providence. So in retribution; He sent
a swarm of deadly snakes among them, and whoever was bitten died; no
exception. The snakes were very toxic.

So when the people realized their error, they begged Moses to intercede
for them, and in response, God had Moses construct a replica of the deadly
snakes and hoist it up on a pole where everyone could see it. Whoever looked
to the replica was cured; in point of fact, that replica was their only God-given
means of curing snake bite. Nothing else would work: not prayers, not altar
calls, not charity, not sacrifices, not scapulars, not commandments, not church
attendance, not synagogue attendance, not apparitions, not Sabbaths, not
holy days of obligation, not holy water, not penance, not sacraments, not
even their choice of religion-- in point of fact: nothing that most Jews and
Christians typically associate with salvation would work; only that replica.

Well; the replica was gratis; literally a donation. By means of it; God healed
the victims of snake-bite totally free of charge and no strings attached. The
only stipulated requirement was that the dying people look at the replica. If
they stayed in their tents, and continued griping about how mean God was
and refused to look to the replica for relief; they would die. They had to look.

†. Num 21:9 . . So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then
when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, he lived.

Jesus' crucifixion is a picture of that incident.

†. John 3:14-18 . . as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even
so must the Son of Man be lifted up; that whoever believes may in him have
eternal life. For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son,
that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God
didn't send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should
be spared through him.

When I "announce" I'm a believer, what I'm saying is that I'm relying upon
Christ's crucifixion as the one God-given remedy for sin-bite. In other words;
just as those snakes' venom was 100% lethal, so sin is 100% lethal too.

†. Rom 6:23 . .The wages of sin is death

People not yet relying upon Christ's crucifixion like I do, are dead men walking
just as the people bitten by those snakes were dead men walking too till they
looked at the replica.

†. John 3:18 . . Whoever believes in him will not be condemned, but whoever
does not believe has already been condemned

The Bible's God is a god of justice and revenge. Sin-bitten unbelievers who
mock and/or denigrate His son's sacrifice for their sins will have to face the
indignation of a very insulted father.

†. Isa 13:9 . . See, the day of The Lord is coming-- a cruel day, with wrath
and fierce anger

Webster's defines "fierce" as animalistic behavior that inspires terror because
of its wild and menacing aspect and/or its fury in attack. In other words; when
unbelievers face God, they won't be facing a humanitarian; but rather, they'll
be facing the likes of a heartless Nile crocodile whose only wish is to rip them
apart limb from limb and eat their flesh for dinner. If you've seen nature scenes
of crocodiles attacking their prey; then you've seen just how merciless, how
bloody, and how lethal the Bible's God can really be when His ire is provoked
to its fullest potential. Lions are like that too. When they attack, all they can
think about is ending their prey's life by means of a brutal fight to the death.

Buen Camino
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[John_8:32]

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I pointed out in post #16, that believers have eternal life right now-- no delay
and no waiting period. So then, what are believers supposed to be believing?


Buen Camino
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Php 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
Php 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

When?

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

At the resurrection of the dead when Christ returns...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

 

[Webers_Home]

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John_8:32, on 27 Feb 2013 - 09:37, said : Php 3:11 et al

If only I had a gallon of gas for every inept Bible student I've encountered
online in the past 16 years to whom nobody has ever taken the time to
explain the difference between eternal life and immortality. My wife could
drive to work and back every day free for the next six months.

Your first mistake was in attempting to refute scripture with scripture. That
is a really big no-no. And your second mistake was in attempting to refute
Christ with scripture. That is an even bigger no-no. The tragedy is: those
mistakes could have been easily avoided were you trained to discern the
difference between eternal life and immortality.

Buen Camino
/

 

[Axehead]

Eternal Life is a Person. He that hath the Son hath life.

John_17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

1John_5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son..

1John_5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Now, is any continued faithfulness necessary for this eternal life (Jesus Christ) to remain with us? I did not say works, I said faithfulness. Belief versus Unbelief, Saving Faith versus Shipwrecked Faith.

Is Jesus obligated to stay with us because we "pray a prayer" or "walk the aisle" but don't continue in faithfulness?

Jesus Christ answers that question in many ways. Here is one:
Rev_3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

God's character has not changed and this is not a new concept. Faithfulness is very important to God.

Lev_20:22 Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out.

God is still looking for faithfulness in the NT. He is not looking just to sell life insurance policies.


Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

[veteran]

So, what you're really saying is get yourself saved and go and sin like the devil, since you have now total immunity.

That's basically it. There's going to be a major reckoning when our Lord Jesus returns with settlling the matter of those in the Church who think they have a license to sin as a believer on Christ.

 

[John_8:32]

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John_8:32, on 27 Feb 2013 - 09:37, said : Php 3:11 et al

If only I had a gallon of gas for every inept Bible student I've encountered
online in the past 16 years to whom nobody has ever taken the time to
explain the difference between eternal life and immortality. My wife could
drive to work and back every day free for the next six months.

Your first mistake was in attempting to refute scripture with scripture. That
is a really big no-no. And your second mistake was in attempting to refute
Christ with scripture. That is an even bigger no-no. The tragedy is: those
mistakes could have been easily avoided were you trained to discern the
difference between eternal life and immortality.

Buen Camino
/

Actually, what I did was refute your heresy with scripture.

 

[Webers_Home]

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John_8:32, on 28 Feb 2013 - 04:25, said : Actually, what I did was refute
your heresy with scripture

Is it impossible that you are the one propagating heresy instead of me? Do
you sincerely believe yourself infallible and speaking for God ex cathedra?

Take a word of advice son. Exercise some judicious restraint with your
choice of words lest the hapless day arrives when you are forced to eat them.

†. Mtt 12:35-37 . . I say to you, that every careless word that men shall speak,
they shall render account for it in the day of judgment. For by your words
you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned.

Buen Camino
/

 

[John_8:32]

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John_8:32, on 28 Feb 2013 - 04:25, said : Actually, what I did was refute
your heresy with scripture

Is it impossible that you are the one propagating heresy instead of me? Do
you sincerely believe yourself infallible and speaking for God ex cathedra?

Take a word of advice son. Exercise some judicious restraint with your
choice of words lest the hapless day arrives when you are forced to eat them.

†. Mtt 12:35-37 . . I say to you, that every careless word that men shall speak,
they shall render account for it in the day of judgment. For by your words
you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned.

Buen Camino
/

No offense intended to you Webers_Home, the teaching itself is what is not scriptural and yes, I am completely fallible, but the scriptures are not. They plainly say that we are given immortality (eternal life) at the resurrection...

1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

When is it raised in a spiritual body, Paul continues...

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Note the "we shall also bear" is future tense.

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Human beings cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

This is the resurrection of the dead at the return of Christ...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

When? At His coming.

1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

We are not imcorruptible now, we are not immortal now...

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Christ only has immortality at this time. We are given immortality when He comes at the resurrection of the dead.

1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Finally, death is swallowed up in victory. Again, this occurs at His coming.

 

[Mr.Bride]

That's basically it. There's going to be a major reckoning when our Lord Jesus returns with settlling the matter of those in the Church who think they have a license to sin as a believer on Christ.

I dont believe Webers_Home is saying we have a license to sin. We have to take full responsibility for the sins we have committed. If you sin because you think you have a license then that shows that the life of Christ is not in you. Webers_Home is talking to the people thats perfect.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Note the grammatical tense of the Lord's "have" verb in his statements
below. It's in the present tense rather than future; indicating that believers
have eternal life right now-- no delay and no waiting period.

†. John 3:36 . . He who believes in the Son has eternal life

†. John 6:47 . .Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

†. John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my message, and trust in
God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for
their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

The gravity of Jesus' statements become even more serious when it's
taken into consideration that people who don't have eternal life also don't
have God's son; viz: they are quite christless.

†. 1John 5:9-12 . .We accept human testimony; but God's testimony carries
more weight because it's the testimony of God, which He has given about
His son . . . And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and
this life is in His son. He who has The Son has this life; he who does not
have this life, does not have God's son.

People who refuse to accept the truth of 1John 5:9-12 are insinuating that
Jesus' Father is a parent of questionable integrity who can't be trusted to
tell the truth about their own children.

†. 1John 5:10 . . Any individual who disbelieves God makes Him a liar,
because they haven't believed the testimony God has given about His son.

Now that we're assured, by means of Jesus' testimony, and his Father's
too, that believers have eternal life right now-- no delay and no waiting
period --then does that mean they also have immortality right now? No,
of course not, and the reason for that is actually quite simple: it is humanly
impossible to occupy more than one body at a time. So then, according to
Rom 8:23-25 and 1Cor 15:35-58, believers won't get supernatural bodies
impervious to death till sometime in the future.

So, if immortality pertains to a supernatural body impervious to death: then
what does eternal life pertain to? Sorry, that information is classified; but be
advised: people without eternal life are right now, right this moment, in grave
danger of eternal suffering.

†. John 3:36 . .Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever
disbelieves the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him.

Buen Camino
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