I don't believe the Bible was speaking about UFO's, may be, but it is not proven. I do know Satan has more brains than all the humans put together...he is not dumb. Even if he proves there is no God to the world, I will still remain for God. I don't care what Satan does...I just know he is going to do something very big. Piss on him.
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aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
people who claim to have no ties to religion AND use selected language/doctrine from religious traditions like 'God the Father' and 'jesus His Son' to explain their nonreligious beliefs do not know what religion means.
Btw switching from JW beliefs to Dianetics is not bringing you any closer to Christ, Number One
Btw switching from JW beliefs to Dianetics is not bringing you any closer to Christ, Number One
I can prove your religion is false. Do you believe it is better to be in a false religion as you are, or to stand before God on your own?aspen2 said:people who claim to have no ties to religion AND use selected language/doctrine from religious traditions like 'God the Father' and 'jesus His Son' to explain their nonreligious beliefs do not know what religion means.
Btw switching from JW beliefs to Dianetics is not bringing you any closer to Christ, Number One
What beliefs have I put forth that are not Christian?
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
No, Christianity is a whole gaggle of religions all calling themselves Christians, but all divided in what they believe.aspen2 said:
Being a Christian (solo) is following Jesus in his footsteps.
Jesus said, "Follow me," he did not say, "Go join the church over on E street."
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
you cannot know Jesus without language. Christian language is called doctrine and it gives us a frame work to know and follow and relate to God. without this languaged called religion, you could not even conceptualize God.
The Church itself is comprised of a whole gaggle of people calling themselves Christians.domenic said:
Each individual comprises a part of the church , a part of the body of believers , some parts of the body are honorable , and some parts are iceholes.
What part are you domenic ?
Yeah? I stand before God alone. No group who live by mans ways, but by those given by his son Jesus.aspen2 said:
Does your group language, which you call doctrine follow the world in this filth?
Counterfeit Christians in defiance of God’s command have chosen to worship as the nations do with every occasion a time for either — merrymaking, feasting or giving gifts. They fail to heed the warning at Deut. 12: 30-32, not to serve God the way the nations serve their gods. These seemingly innocent holidays are rooted in mythology and paganism. They disguised their wicked deed by renaming these festivals but their evil would not remain hidden forever. The following is a list of pagan religious festivals that were adopted and renamed. Special Church service is held on these days. None of these services honors God.
Christmas - The day Pago Christians celebrate the birth of Christ. Christmas, the most popular holiday has it roots in sun worship. The date December 25 was already observed by the people of Rome as the Feast of Saturn, in which they celebrate the birthday of Mithras the Sun god. This festive day was adopted and used as the birthday of the Son of God. Most of the customs and traditions associated with Christmas are pagan customs that have been absorbed or tolerated by the church. Aside from its pagan customs, the holiday is polluted with lies and deception. Children are deceived into thinking a fat white bearded man riding a sleigh pulled by flying deers sent them gifts, while others enjoy playing and singing Christmas carols that are full of lies. Where in the bible did it say Mary's boy child Jesus Christ was born on Christmas Day (December 25)? They find pleasurable what God finds detestable...lies. They practice sin in Jesus name.
Easter - Named after Easter the goddess of spring and fertility. Easter is a combination of pagan and Christian. Easter [resurrection Sunday] takes its name from Easter, the Anglo-Saxon Teutonic goddess of spring and fertility and the sister of Baal. Customs associated with Easter, such as the Easter rabbit and egg, as well as the dating of Easter can be traced back to the festival dedicated to the goddess. Easter’s festival symbolized rebirth/spring. Imitation Christians consider Jesus’ resurrection a rebirth and so they combined Easter’s festival with Jesus resurrection. "Everywhere they hunt the many-colored Easter eggs, brought by the Easter rabbit. This is not mere child’s play, but the vestige of a fertility rite, the eggs and the rabbit both symbolizing fertility. Furthermore, the rabbit was the escort of the Germanic goddess Ostara who gave the name to the festival by the way of the German Ostern.” [Dictionary of Folklore, Mythology and Legend] Other customs associated with Easter, such as the Hot Crossed buns of Good Friday, and the dyed eggs of Pasch or Easter Sunday go as far back as ancient Babylon where they were once a part of Chaldean [Babylonian] rites.
Halloween - Customs connected to Halloween can be traced back to a Druid ceremony in pre-Christian times. The Celts had festivals for major gods…a sun god called Baal, and a god of the dead called Samhain. The festival that occurred on the evening of October 31 was called Samhain or La Samon. The Celts believe that on this night [October 31] the veil between the living and the dead was so thin that Samhain; the god of the dead, allowed the souls of the dead to return to their earthly homes. “In the A.D. 800’s, the Church established All Saint’s Day on November 1 so that the people could continue a festival they had celebrated before becoming Christians. The Mass that was said on this day was called All Hallow Mass. The evening before became known as All Halloween or Halloween.”__ The World Book Encyclopedia, Vol. 9, 1982
Valentine's Day - Valentine’s custom comes from an ancient Roman festival called Lupercalia, which took place every February 15. The festival honored Juno, the Roman goddess of women and Pan, the god of nature. This lewd superstitious custom was adopted and given the name of a Catholic saint called Valentine. The winged infant with the bow and arrow commonly associated with this holiday is the god Cupid, son of Venus, the Roman goddess of love.
Birthdays - The custom of celebrating birthdays has its origin in the realm of magic and religion. The customs of offering congratulations presenting gifts and celebrating…complete with lighted candles… in ancient times were meant to protect the birthday celebrant from the demons and to ensure his security for the coming year. The blowing out of the candles began with the Greek goddess of the moon Artemis. On her birthday, lighted candles on cakes that were as round as the moon, were placed on alters within the temple. During the festival, the candles were blown out with one breath, and Artemis would gaze favorably upon her worshipers. Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. Birthday celebrants are usually asked to make a wish and then blow out the candles with one breath. Up until the 4th century, Christianity rejected the birthday celebration as a pagan custom. Birthday celebration is also linked to divination with birthday celebrants acquiring birthstones, which are associated with the zodiac/sun sign astrology. Horoscope and natal charts are used to gain information about an individual using their birth date. (Deut 18:11,12) Among some Jewish sects birthdays are viewed as a special day because on that day one's Mazal, good fortune, shines extra strong. Others consider it a pagan custom. Birthdays are also used to honor men, nations, and organizations, which is idolatry.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
You would not even know the name 'Jesus' without the language of religion.
It took until the 19th century for Protestantism to spin so far out of control that they morphed into the Millerite movement, which shattered into Adventists and JWs (among others) before so called Christians became superstitious enough to fear holidays!
It took until the 19th century for Protestantism to spin so far out of control that they morphed into the Millerite movement, which shattered into Adventists and JWs (among others) before so called Christians became superstitious enough to fear holidays!
If no man ever spoke of God, or wrote anything...the Living God via his son Jesus would still have given man Gods word...you give glory to man made religions for Gods word.Your man made religions are false. You take the glory away from God.aspen2 said:
NO man made belief will stand . ONLY the saints of God whom are Christ's disciples shall endure to the end.
Pilgrimer
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It is very easy to toss out claims like that against Christianity, but all you offer are blanket statements that reflect your opinion but offer no actual historical evidence to support them. I know the reason you offer no historical or archaeological evidence, it's because there is none, these are false charges made up in a vain attempt to undermine the Christian faith and practice.domenic said:
That's not true. The Saturnalia was celebrated December 17 to December 21, ending on the day of the winter solstice. Christmas was and is celebrated four days after the old Roman holiday ended.domenic said:
I'm afraid you have your pagan religions confused. The Saturnalia honored Saturn, not Mithras. Sol was the Sun god, not Mithras. On the Mithraic teuroctony of the feast of the Mithra cult both Mithra and Sol are shown feasting on the bull slain by Mithra. The only feast day celebrated by Mithraism was June 26, which date is inscribed on the Virunum album. The archaeology of the mithraeum (underground places of worship used by the Mithraic cult) has turned up an abundance of cherry pits among the bones and other remains of the feasts, which verifies that the feast was celebrated in June during the cherry harvest. There is no historical or archaeological evidence of a feast on December 25 for any of the ancient Roman pagan cults.domenic said:
And you know that how? What writing or what archaeological artifact was that recorded on? Where is your evidence before you condemn the whole Christian faith?domenic said:
The truth is quite the opposite. In a letter written by no less than the Roman Emperor Julian the apostate, a hater of Christianity, he ordered his pagan High Priest to have the pagan priests throughout the Roman Empire begin to emulate the Christians in living a pious life in an attempt to win back the many Romans that had converted to Christ. Which is rather irrefutable evidence from the Emperor of Rome, who was certainly in a position to know, that what you are claiming is not only false, but is in fact the very opposite of what was actually occurring in the early centuries of the Christian faith. Rather than compromising the Gospel by adopting pagan holidays and beliefs, Christians were in fact living out the Gospel and winning converts to Christ even while being persecuted for NOT compromising with paganism, even at the cost of their lives!
Would you like to see the letters written by the emperors of Rome that prove it?
Again, that's not true, and I challenge you to offer some evidence to support your claims.domenic said:
It doesn't take much spiritual discernment to detect that the pollution is not on the part of us Christians.domenic said:
That may be the way you see it. But for us, carrying on the legend of that faithful, godly old saint, teaching children that while they lay sleeping in the darkness their Father came and brought them gifts beyond anything they could hope or wish for ... we believe that's a lesson every child should be taught. And when they are old enough to understand, those seeds will bear fruit ... unto God.domenic said:
The Scripture says "unto you is born this day, in the city of David, a Savior." If you think it was some day other than December 25 then bring forth your evidence and argue it. But to simply throw around judgments and condemnation without any attempt to provide evidence doesn't give your view any credibility.domenic said:
And if it turns out after all that you were wrong and Christianity got it right, then who would be guilty of "finding pleasurable what God finds detestable lies" and "practicing sin in Jesus' name?" The same measure we use to judge others is the measure we will be judged by. So perhaps judgment seasoned with a just a little mercy might be a better course, and a dash of humility wouldn't hurt.domenic said:
I'll have to save that for another post, but everything you are claiming about Easter is no more true than the many things you are claiming about Christmas.domenic said:
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
Wormwood
Chaps
Domenic I know what you are saying, yes mans "religions" will fail him, for most is not based on teh Rock which is Christ and very little on teh Rock of revelation, and teh religious cannot hear because they either choose not to or dont have ears to hear.
In all His Love
In all His Love
Pray tell, what belief is not man made? Is it not a common foible of human rhetoric to think that our beliefs are divinely inspired while the beliefs of another are synthesized by their imagination?JB_ said:
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