. When turning the other cheek went out of style.

[falconduler]

During the Apostolic Age ,the early church made an honest attempt to abide by the teachings of its founder. Give all to the poor ,:Love thy neighbor as thy self ,love those who persecute and hate you and so on.

All that proved unsustainable. And so the early church tried to find an ideology that could sustain it and still maintain a sense of the morality taught by Christ.

This was a true dilemma since they could not return to the dreaded phariseeism they long ago abandoned . They burned their bridges with the jews and the jews were hardly interested in a reproachment.

Their only choice was to adopt the prevailing philosophy of the roman empire: The stoic and neo-platonism that prevailed.

The early church rediscovered Rome and found that they too believed in fair play, honesty,hard work, no extra legal executions , and they abided by the due process principle.

And so the church slowly blended with the common law of rome and found they could live by it in peace with their neighbors.

This is true today ,whereby the church blends in with the prevailing legal codes and social norms.They will not admit to this but it's very true.

This is why the moral values of bible belt believers are not any different with americas prevailing social standards.
This is why the divorce rate is even higher and abortions and extra marital sex equals that in the general society. The church always blends in with prevailing norms!

 

[goodshepard55]

Well said.....as so true.... that is not the church that Jesus wanted....that is why we the followers of Christ should speak out on abortion, premarital sex..that is why the we as followers of Christ have to get off our backsides and do something instead of just meekly following along with the world...we can change the world if we try...

 

[falconduler]

Laws regarding pre-marital sex , and abortion;do they come from the Bible or from ANCIENT ROME?

 

[Duckybill]

Well said.....as so true.... that is not the church that Jesus wanted....that is why we the followers of Christ should speak out on abortion, premarital sex..that is why the we as followers of Christ have to get off our backsides and do something instead of just meekly following along with the world...we can change the world if we try...

It's not gonna get better. It's gonna get MUCH worse. It may well be very soon. The world is rapidly turning against the Nation of Israel.

2 Timothy 3:1 (NKJV)
1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come:

2 Timothy 3:13 (NKJV)
13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.

Matthew 24:21-22 (NKJV)
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened.

Tis the season. This world is doomed.

 

[888]

Laws regarding pre-marital sex , and abortion;do they come from the Bible or from ANCIENT ROME?

Pre-marital sex is something I can't answer on. As far as Abortions go, I believe it's obvious that its an abomination against God.

First off we were put here on earth to glorify God. God said to multiply and become many. This of course is to help glorify God from his creation.

Another thing stacked on this is the reason someone would get an abortion is because they didn't plan on having the kid. Now what would lead someone to get pregnant and not want their kid? Being sexually immoral. That's another abomination against God degrading his glory.

Sex is to create life, not to give pleasure to anyone that pleases. It's there to honor and glorify God by bringing in new life from his creation.

So an abortion chained from being sexually immoral is a double-damn.

This is something you can know in your hearts.

Like I said, as far as pre-marital sex, I cannot answer that.

 

[7angels]

everything in and of itself is neutral. it is how we go about using it that makes it evil or good. music for example there is christian music then there is gangster music, sexual music, abusive music, depressing music, and ect... we need to look at the why, what, where, how of everything and judge it. we are commanded to judge everything incuding behavior, decisions, and ect but not another person.

 

[falconduler]

Pre-marital sex is something I can't answer on. As far as Abortions go, I believe it's obvious that its an abomination against God.

First off we were put here on earth to glorify God. God said to multiply and become many. This of course is to help glorify God from his creation.

Another thing stacked on this is the reason someone would get an abortion is because they didn't plan on having the kid. Now what would lead someone to get pregnant and not want their kid? Being sexually immoral. That's another abomination against God degrading his glory.

Sex is to create life, not to give pleasure to anyone that pleases. It's there to honor and glorify God by bringing in new life from his creation.

So an abortion chained from being sexually immoral is a double-damn.

This is something you can know in your hearts.

Like I said, as far as pre-marital sex, I cannot answer that.

The Bible makes direct reference to certain sins.. It even says that eating the humble little shrimp is an ABOMINATION.[lev.]

But there's no direct reference to a woman having an abortion as a SIN or you would think, in light of how important this issue is ,would certainly be referred to as an abomination..

Keep in mind that the early church adopted ancient roman laws for itself. .laws against polygamy ,laws that allow for divorce in restrictive circumstances,;laws regarding inheritance ,morality ,ethics and values are laws that the church took on for itself.from the roman civil code.

 

[888]

The Bible makes direct reference to certain sins.. It even says that eating the humble little shrimp is an ABOMINATION.[lev.]

But there's no direct reference to a woman having an abortion as a SIN or you would think, in light of how important this issue is ,would certainly be referred to as an abomination..

Keep in mind that the early church adopted ancient roman laws for itself. .laws against polygamy ,laws that allow for divorce in restrictive circumstances,;laws regarding inheritance ,morality ,ethics and values are laws that the church took on for itself.from the roman civil code.

I agree, the Bible makes no DIRECT reference to a woman having an abortion as a sin...What I posted is how it indirectly shows that it is a sin.

Do you disagree that the Bible speaks, in manner, that an abortion is a sin. If so, why?

 

[aspen]

Back to turning the other cheek - I would love to hear people's opinions about what this phrase really means.......is it continuing to allow people to abuse you forever? Does it mean dying for another? How about simply giving up the urge for revenge?

 

[falconduler]

I agree, the Bible makes no DIRECT reference to a woman having an abortion as a sin...What I posted is how it indirectly shows that it is a sin.

Do you disagree that the Bible speaks, in manner, that an abortion is a sin. If so, why?

Remember how yahwe commanded joshua to slaughter even the pregnant women of caanan?

 

[veteran]

This is why the moral values of bible belt believers are not any different with americas prevailing social standards.
This is why the divorce rate is even higher and abortions and extra marital sex equals that in the general society. The church always blends in with prevailing norms!

Now, not only do you have hatred of all Jews on your propaganda list, but also libel against "bible belt believers". I'm from the so-called Bible Belt and what you say is completely idiotic.

If one will look at where the majority of mainstream Churches are today that are aligning with the principles of Socialism, you'll find they're not in the so-called Bible Belt, but outside it.

The South still contains the majority of Churches that hold to Bible doctrine straight from The Bible, which is why those outside the South traditionally have labeled the South as the "Bible Belt." This is why the Southern people through their history have had such strong moral traditions from The Bible, and once again, the reason outsiders have called the South the "Bible Belt".

 

[THE Gypsy]

Now, not only do you have hatred of all Jews on your propaganda list, but also libel against "bible belt believers". I'm from the so-called Bible Belt and what you say is completely idiotic.

If one will look at where the majority of mainstream Churches are today that are aligning with the principles of Socialism, you'll find they're not in the so-called Bible Belt, but outside it.

The South still contains the majority of Churches that hold to Bible doctrine straight from The Bible, which is why those outside the South traditionally have labeled the South as the "Bible Belt." This is why the Southern people through their history have had such strong moral traditions from The Bible, and once again, the reason outsiders have called the South the "Bible Belt".

Actually, at the risk of having to defend falconduler, he/she is correct...

Divorce Rates High in Southern, Bible Belt States

New data shows that U.S. divorce rates are higher in Southern states such as Alabama, Kentucky, and Texas. This information is important to church leaders since these states are located in what is traditionally known as the "Bible Belt."

http://www.christian...t-states-54539/

What's fueling Bible Belt divorces

While the Bible Belt is known for its devotion to traditional values, Southerners don't do so well on one key family value: They are more likely to get divorced than people living in the Northeast.

Southern men and women had higher rates of divorce in 2009 than their counterparts in other parts of the country: 10.2 per 1,000 for men and 11.1 per 1,000 for women, according to a new report from the U.S. Census Bureau released Thursday.

http://articles.cnn....ge?_s=PM:LIVING


Bible Belt Home to Highest Divorce Rate in U.S.

Despite the high number of religious families throughout the South's Bible Belt, the South is home to an high divorce rate. The U.S. Census Bureau released statistics Thursday that show the divorce rate in 2009 was at 10.2 per 1,000 for men and 11.1 for 1,000 for women compared to 7.2 and 7.5 per 1000 in the Northeast.

http://www.norfolkco...ate-in-us.shtml

...More disturbing was the finding that born-again Christians have among the highest divorce rates.
The Associated Press, using data supplied by the US Census Bureau, found that the highest divorce rates are to be found in the Bible Belt. The AP report stated, "The divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average of 4.2 per thousand people."

http://www.edwardtba...e_abortion.html

A study published by an affiliate of Planned Parenthood says almost a quarter-million abortions are performed each year in the U.S. on women who identify themselves as born-again or evangelical Christians. Approximately 1.37 million abortions are performed in the United States each year. According to a startling and little publicized survey by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, 37.4% of those abortions are performed on Protestant women--approximately one-half (about 18%) of whom profess to be born-again believers. That 18% of the estimated annual total accounts for 246,600 aborted babies each year in America.

http://www.edwardtba...e_abortion.html

 

[888]

Remember how yahwe commanded joshua to slaughter even the pregnant women of caanan?

What was the big picture for yahwe commanding joshua to slaughter even pregnant women? It wasn't to specifically produce abortions..

What people are doing today isn't an order from yahwe, so what you just said holds no value to what I'm arguing about.

Romans 9:21

"Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?

What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath--prepared for destruction?"

...but who are we to make ourselves like the potter?

 

[veteran]

Actually, at the risk of having to defend falconduler, he/she is correct...

Divorce Rates High in Southern, Bible Belt States

New data shows that U.S. divorce rates are higher in Southern states such as Alabama, Kentucky, and Texas. This information is important to church leaders since these states are located in what is traditionally known as the "Bible Belt."

Anyone go to college and take a course in Statistics? We had to read a book about how to lie using statistics, as part of the course.

Anybody can put out bogus statistics and make it say whatever they want. Using the U.S. Census is no exception.

The fact of the matter is that the divorce rate is higher in ALL U.S. states than it should be, if we are still a Christian nation per God and the Constitutional founders. And the state it's highest in is not even in the South (Arizona). One of the main causes of the divorce rate is HOW EASY the lawyers make it to get a divorce, totally disregarding moral value as an issue.

So try pointing to the corrupt LAWYERS who are allowing easy divorce and instead push gay marriage agendas instead of generalizing a whole people in the South!!!


Pointing the finger at the South is something Southerners have had to listen to ever since the War Between The States ended. Northerners are STILL... trying to do it, especially those who hate the Southern Bible Belt.

 

[Thankful 1]

During the Apostolic Age ,the early church made an honest attempt to abide by the teachings of its founder. Give all to the poor ,:Love thy neighbor as thy self ,love those who persecute and hate you and so on.

All that proved unsustainable. And so the early church tried to find an ideology that could sustain it and still maintain a sense of the morality taught by Christ.

This was a true dilemma since they could not return to the dreaded phariseeism they long ago abandoned . They burned their bridges with the jews and the jews were hardly interested in a reproachment.

Their only choice was to adopt the prevailing philosophy of the roman empire: The stoic and neo-platonism that prevailed.

The early church rediscovered Rome and found that they too believed in fair play, honesty,hard work, no extra legal executions , and they abided by the due process principle.

And so the church slowly blended with the common law of rome and found they could live by it in peace with their neighbors.

This is true today ,whereby the church blends in with the prevailing legal codes and social norms.They will not admit to this but it's very true.

This is why the moral values of bible belt believers are not any different with americas prevailing social standards.
This is why the divorce rate is even higher and abortions and extra marital sex equals that in the general society. The church always blends in with prevailing norms!

In my opinion the Church stopped following the Holy Spirit, when it allowed one to become part of Constantine’s army.

Before Constantine corrupted the Church, Christians allowed the Holy Spirit to teach him or her about God. Now Christians allow man to teach him or her about God.

 

[THE Gypsy]

Anyone go to college and take a course in Statistics? We had to read a book about how to lie using statistics, as part of the course.

Anybody can put out bogus statistics and make it say whatever they want. Using the U.S. Census is no exception.

The fact of the matter is that the divorce rate is higher in ALL U.S. states than it should be, if we are still a Christian nation per God and the Constitutional founders. And the state it's highest in is not even in the South (Arizona). One of the main causes of the divorce rate is HOW EASY the lawyers make it to get a divorce, totally disregarding moral value as an issue.

So try pointing to the corrupt LAWYERS who are allowing easy divorce and instead push gay marriage agendas instead of generalizing a whole people in the South!!!


Pointing the finger at the South is something Southerners have had to listen to ever since the War Between The States ended. Northerners are STILL... trying to do it, especially those who hate the Southern Bible Belt.

Nice spin.

First of all...The higher divorce rates were in Alabama Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Texas.

Secondly the statement was the "Bible Belt" not the "South".

Thirdly...Are you saying lawyers are the ones responsible for the decisions of others?

 

[falconduler]

What was the big picture for yahwe commanding joshua to slaughter even pregnant women? It wasn't to specifically produce abortions..

What people are doing today isn't an order from yahwe, so what you just said holds no value to what I'm arguing about.

Romans 9:21

"Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?

What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath--prepared for destruction?"

...but who are we to make ourselves like the potter?

What we need in this country is a law for the prevention of genetically diseased offspring. Most abortions end the lives of fetuses that would spend a few years at most in misery and severe pain and die anyway. Why would yahwe wish mankind to endure this added suffering?


No Bible belief can contradict natural law. What if we allowed those with hereditary diseased to procreate and the healthy were forced to take care of them.

Then the sick and diseased would outnumber the stronger and mentally fit. Ultimately humanity itself would reverse course and disappear from the earth.

 

[veteran]

Nice spin.

First of all...The higher divorce rates were in Alabama Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Texas.

Secondly the statement was the "Bible Belt" not the "South".

Thirdly...Are you saying lawyers are the ones responsible for the decisions of others?

The term "Bible Belt" is specifically... applied to the Southern states, even in those articles. Surely you couldn't have missed that.

In the Christian Post article, Arizona has the highest divorce rate of all the 50 states, among women. Arkansas for men, per that article. Even their stats in that distinction between divorce for women in one state vs. men in another state is an idiotic comparison, since divorce involves who? both a man and a woman (unless they're counting gay marriages which would show their statistics are bogus even the more!).

YES, lawyers are a BIG part of the divorce problem, because those are the folks who sit in the positions of the law, making the laws, and DECIDING divorce cases! Just as many as there are Leftist politicians that push anti-Christian agendas, likewise with types of lawyers out there. Lot of those politicians were... practicing lawyers at one time! Otherwise, just HOW could laws be passed to support gay marriage when the majority disagree!

No, those type of Leftist articles are nothing more than yet another smear upon the idea of Christianity, because using that term "Bible Belt" is a very distinct pointer in their PROFILING. I'm very surprised at so many here that claim to be Christians fail to have caught on to that.

 

[THE Gypsy]

The term "Bible Belt" is specifically... applied to the Southern states, even in those articles. Surely you couldn't have missed that.

In the Christian Post article, Arizona has the highest divorce rate of all the 50 states, among women. Arkansas for men, per that article. Even their stats in that distinction between divorce for women in one state vs. men in another state is an idiotic comparison, since divorce involves who? both a man and a woman (unless they're counting gay marriages which would show their statistics are bogus even the more!).

YES, lawyers are a BIG part of the divorce problem, because those are the folks who sit in the positions of the law, making the laws, and DECIDING divorce cases! Just as many as there are Leftist politicians that push anti-Christian agendas, likewise with types of lawyers out there. Lot of those politicians were... practicing lawyers at one time! Otherwise, just HOW could laws be passed to support gay marriage when the majority disagree!

No, those type of Leftist articles are nothing more than yet another smear upon the idea of Christianity, because using that term "Bible Belt" is a very distinct pointer in their PROFILING. I'm very surprised at so many here that claim to be Christians fail to have caught on to that.

Apparently YOU missed the statement...

Arizona has the highest rate of divorce in the nation among women, 16.2 divorces per 1,000 women. Arkansas holds the highest divorce rate in the nation among men, 13.5 per 1,000.

Obviously they are talking about the NATION in that statement. They did not list AZ as part of the Bible Belt as you suggested.

That particular sentence had moved on from the "Bible belt" reference.

And how nice to blame things on others instead of taking responsibility yourself for your decisions.

I KNOW what the "Bible Belt" is.



And nothing you have said contradicts the statistics previously posted.

I'm getting the picture though...Even though you cannot back up your opinion with statistics, everything YOU disagree with is "leftist". How convenient.

 

[veteran]

Apparently YOU missed the statement...

Arizona has the highest rate of divorce in the nation among women, 16.2 divorces per 1,000 women. Arkansas holds the highest divorce rate in the nation among men, 13.5 per 1,000.

Obviously they are talking about the NATION in that statement. They did not list AZ as part of the Bible Belt as you suggested.

That particular sentence had moved on from the "Bible belt" reference.

And how nice to blame things on others instead of taking responsibility yourself for your decisions.

I KNOW what the "Bible Belt" is.



And nothing you have said contradicts the statistics previously posted.

I'm getting the picture though...Even though you cannot back up your opinion with statistics, everything YOU disagree with is "leftist". How convenient.

I see you enjoy taking part in support of Leftist propaganda. Nor have you yet caught 'their' mistake in contrasting the divorce rate between women in one state, as opposed to men in another state.

It's obvious too, that you can't read the titles of those propaganda articles that specifically are using the "Bible Belt" moniker...


"Divorce Rates High in Southern, Bible Belt States"

"What's fueling Bible Belt divorces"

"Bible Belt Home to Highest Divorce Rate in U.S."


Nothing but more propaganda by false Jews against Christianity, which is obvious by their making sure that "Bible Belt" moniker is made one of the main themes in those articles.