When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

[tailgator]

I definitely understand where you're coming from but let's unpack that passage starting with what we know is not debatable.

The man of sin sits in the temple of God and we know that the temple of God after the cross is our bodies. Do you agree with this?

Not just our bodies,but also the church as a whole.

Ephesians 2
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.




But as I have witnessed the man of sin standing amidst the church .I've also witnessed the man pointing out that he is the chosen one.There is a song about him being the chosen one that he has shared.

 

[tailgator]

I definitely understand where you're coming from but let's unpack that passage starting with what we know is not debatable.

The man of sin sits in the temple of God and we know that the temple of God after the cross is our bodies. Do you agree with this?

What year are you claiming Paul was gathered to Christ at his coming?

2 thes 2
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

 

[IndianaRob]

That makes sense how, in light of the following?

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Why is it that you tend to interpret things without first considering the details involved? For one, how did great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be, begin at the time of the cross? And what about these other verses, such as verses 16-20, which is something one is to do when they see the AOD stand in the holy place, they are to flee into the mountains, etc? What does any of that have to do with the time of the cross?

This goes back to the psalm 18 discussion. If you don’t see Psalm 18 as prophetic of the cross then you won’t think any tribulation or destruction happened at the cross.

Remember that dead people were unearthed at the crucifixtion of Christ, three days later they stood up and walked the streets of Jerusalem. The sun was darkened at mid day when Christ died. Was that not great tribulation such as was not seen nor ever will be seen again? And none of that even puts Psalm 18 in the mix.

 

[IndianaRob]

Not just our bodies,but also the church as a whole.

Ephesians 2
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.




But as I have witnessed the man of sin standing amidst the church .I've also witnessed the man pointing out that he is the chosen one.There is a song about him being the chosen one that he has shared.

Even if you view the temple of God as the whole body of believers it’s still not a building where “The Antichrist” can stand up and proclaim that he’s God.

I mean how would that work in your opinion?

 

[tailgator]

Even if you view the temple of God as the whole body of believers it’s still not a building where “The Antichrist” can stand up and proclaim that he’s God.

I mean how would that work in your opinion?

First,what year are you claiming Paul was gathered to Christ at his coming?

2 thes 2
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

 

[tailgator]

Even if you view the temple of God as the whole body of believers it’s still not a building where “The Antichrist” can stand up and proclaim that he’s God.

I mean how would that work in your opinion?

The correct word is not proclaim.Its actually to point.
He points to himself as being God.


Word: apodeiknumi

Pronounce: ap-od-ike'-noo-mee

Strongs Number: G584

Orig: from 575 and 1166; to show off, i.e. exhibit; figuratively, to demonstrate, i.e. accredit:--(ap-)prove, set forth, shew. G575

Use: Verb

Heb Strong: H7200 H7981

1. 1) to point away from one's self, to point out, show forth, to expose to view, exhibit2) to declare, to show, to prove what kind of person anyone is, to prove by arguments, demonstrate

He does not need to stand in a building to point out that he is God.He has already claimed to be the chosen one and he has stated such things as he "is the only one who can keep Israel safe,no one else can ".


I was under the impression by reading the bible that God is the only one who can keep Israel safe.Apparently the man of sin thinks he is the only one,so he says.

 

[IndianaRob]

First,what year are you claiming Paul was gathered to Christ at his coming?

2 thes 2
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Those verses aren’t talking about the second coming of Christ they’re talking about the day of Christ as in a this verse.

2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

In other words the day of Christ is the day you get saved.

 

[IndianaRob]

The correct word is not proclaim.Its actually to point.
He points to himself as being God.


Word: apodeiknumi

Pronounce: ap-od-ike'-noo-mee

Strongs Number: G584

Orig: from 575 and 1166; to show off, i.e. exhibit; figuratively, to demonstrate, i.e. accredit:--(ap-)prove, set forth, shew. G575

Use: Verb

Heb Strong: H7200 H7981

1. 1) to point away from one's self, to point out, show forth, to expose to view, exhibit2) to declare, to show, to prove what kind of person anyone is, to prove by arguments, demonstrate

He does not need to stand in a building to point out that he is God.He has already claimed to be the chosen one and he has stated such things as he "is the only one who can keep Israel safe,no one else can ".


I was under the impression by reading the bible that God is the only one who can keep Israel safe.Apparently the man of sin thinks he is the only one,so he says.

Who sits on the throne of God before salvation? Self sits on the throne.

What has to happen before salvation comes? Repentance, a falling away or turning away from sin.

What happens after you’re saved? You realize what you really were before salvation, a man of sin.

Why was the son of perdition used as a descriptor of the man of sin? Because it’s pointing you to the only other person in the Bible that is called the son of perdition. Judas was not saved, he was the God of his own life.

 

[tailgator]

Those verses aren’t talking about the second coming of Christ they’re talking about the day of Christ as in a this verse.

2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

In other words the day of Christ is the day you get saved.

So you don't believe Jesus will come and gather us to him as Paul says,?


2 thes 2
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

 

[tailgator]

Who sits on the throne of God before salvation? Self sits on the throne.

What has to happen before salvation comes? Repentance, a falling away or turning away from sin.

What happens after you’re saved? You realize what you really were before salvation, a man of sin.

Why was the son of perdition used as a descriptor of the man of sin? Because it’s pointing you to the only other person in the Bible that is called the son of perdition. Judas was not saved, he was the God of his own life.

God has always sat on the throne of God.
Christ is sitting on that throne now.

The man of sin has never sat on the throne of God.
I'm sure he would like to seeing he is so narcissistic .

 

[IndianaRob]

So you don't believe Jesus will come and gather us to him as Paul says,?


2 thes 2
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

If you’re talking about the rapture, no I don’t believe in that gathering. The gathering in 2 Thessalonians is the end of our life.

 

[IndianaRob]

God has always sat on the throne of God.
Christ is sitting on that throne now.

The man of sin has never sat on the throne of God.
I'm sure he would like to seeing he is so narcissistic .

God doesn’t set on the throne of a non-believer does he?

 

[tailgator]

God doesn’t set on the throne of a non-believer does he?

God is sitting on his throne in heaven.

Revelation3

21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.



Jesus ascended into heaven where he is seated at the right hand of God on his throne.
You believe you have ascended into heaven and are sitting on God's throne?

Isaiah 66:1
This is what the LORD says: “Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Where is the house you will build for me? Where will my resting place be?


You believe you are heaven,the throne of God?

 

[tailgator]

If you’re talking about the rapture, no I don’t believe in that gathering. The gathering in 2 Thessalonians is the end of our life.

You believe Jesus will come when you die?
You believe he spends all.his time coming and going when scripture says he sits at the right hand of God?



2 thes 2
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,


So how many times per day do you believe the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ takes place?

Hundreds of thousands times per day?

 

[Timtofly]

By the way
It is ridiculous for you to claim we are in great tribulation .

There is no great distress with perplexity as of now. The heavens are not shaking and there are no great earthquakes caused by nation rising against nation.
It is quite peaceful except for the sound of my dishwasher.

Luke 21
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Great as in length, not the time of Jacob's trouble that is short and not like any other. Many have been martyred. You don't think their troubles have been great? You may have it easy. Many do not.

The tribulation of "those days" is just general trouble, and not even persecution.

Obviously you don't know what is going on in the rest of the world. The church thrives under tribulation. The church becomes complacent and apostate when there is no tribulation.

 

[Timtofly]

For anyone who can read, He did in Matthew 24:15 and Luke confirms it in Luke 21:20.

No, that is your broken record imagination playing tricks on reality.

 

[Timtofly]

Who sits on the throne of God before salvation? Self sits on the throne.

What has to happen before salvation comes? Repentance, a falling away or turning away from sin.

What happens after you’re saved? You realize what you really were before salvation, a man of sin.

Why was the son of perdition used as a descriptor of the man of sin? Because it’s pointing you to the only other person in the Bible that is called the son of perdition. Judas was not saved, he was the God of his own life.

Satan is the one who will sit. Satan is not omnipresent, able to sit in every one. Why are you making Satan out to already be God? Sounds like Satan has you deceived already?

Have you met Satan and personally talked with him?

Satan will not sit in any temple of any kind until after the Second Coming, and only if God allows it. It has not even been determined yet. Only a prophesy that may or may not happen. We will only know after the 7th Trumpet has been sounding.

 

[IndianaRob]

Satan is the one who will sit. Satan is not omnipresent, able to sit in every one. Why are you making Satan out to already be God? Sounds like Satan has you deceived already?

Have you met Satan and personally talked with him?

Satan will not sit in any temple of any kind until after the Second Coming, and only if God allows it. It has not even been determined yet. Only a prophesy that may or may not happen. We will only know after the 7th Trumpet has been sounding.

Where does the Bible say Satan sits on the throne declaring himself to be God?

 

[tailgator]

Great as in length, not the time of Jacob's trouble that is short and not like any other. Many have been martyred. You don't think their troubles have been great? You may have it easy. Many do not.

The tribulation of "those days" is just general trouble, and not even persecution.

Obviously you don't know what is going on in the rest of the world. The church thrives under tribulation. The church becomes complacent and apostate when there is no tribulation.

False.
Jesus said his followers are persecuted before he comes in the clouds.
This is the tribulation Jesus spoke of.


Mathew 24
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


Mark 13
9 “You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them.

10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations.
11 Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.

12 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death.
13 Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.






According to revelation and Daniel ,this persecution lasts 42 months at the hands of the beast.Then the beast and false prophet are destroyed.

 

[covenantee]

No, that is your broken record imagination playing tricks on reality.

No, that is your hallucinatory attempted contortion of inspired interpretive Scripture to conform to your futurized fantasies and fallacies.

You fail again and always.

Because "...the scripture cannot be broken". John 10:35