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afaithfulone4u

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we may be forgiven, but it does not mean that we do not suffer the consequences of our actions.
Take David when he fell into temptation to fornicate with Bath-sheba making her a fornicator and adulterer and set up her husband Uriah to be killed to cover up his sin.
He obviously was in unbelief at this time for he was not aware He could not hide it from God and being a Just God the LORD did forgive David for what he had done once he repented of his sin against God but not before first suffering the consequences of his actions, which was the death of his son conceived through his sin. 2 Samuel 11-12

God may show some mercy when we suffer afflictions due to our bad choices that cause us to sin and we now no longer need priests who sacrifice once a year to pay for our sins for Christ paid our sin debt once and for all so that we are not destroyed at the end of the age as we should be... but it NEVER takes away our consequences for our actions.. they are for our learning. God is the same yesterday, today and forever and He never changes! His Word is His Word and He is not a man that He should lie and His judgments are JUST for we are under the covenant of reaping exactly what we have sown. To do unto others exactly as we would want them to do to us because that is what we shall receive.
So the sooner we learn to overcome the lusts of our flesh that led us to sin, the smoother our path becomes in life. For the Lord does not reward good for evil, He can forgive it so that we are not destroyed completely, but we will still suffer the torment of the hellish way we have chosen with our free will.

In the story of David and Bath Sheba you will notice that David was exposed before he repented and I do believe that IF we do fall into temptation and repent BEFORE being exposed there is a possibility of getting a lighter sentence for our actions.. but we should not willfully sin with this false hope for God is not mocked and He knows all the intensions of the heart and He is NO FOOL.

Deut 30:19-31:1
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
KJV

The voice of God is His Word and Jesus IS the Word of life the very Seed of God
1 John 1:1-2
1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
KJV

blessings for the edifying of the saints
 

IBeMe

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Amen.

But there's a difference between sins of ignorance, and wilful sins.

God is very merciful to our ignorance as long as we're eager followers and learners.

We can become wilfully ignorant if we start to neglect the Word and the leading of the Spirit.

"Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you."
 

afaithfulone4u

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IBeMe said:
Amen.

But there's a difference between sins of ignorance, and wilful sins.

God is very merciful to our ignorance as long as we're eager followers and learners.

We can become wilfully ignorant if we start to neglect the Word and the leading of the Spirit.

"Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you."
Agreed that there is a difference between ignorance and willful sins. David's was not in ignorance but lust of the flesh and that could not have been by accident, especially for one who knows God, but willful for he knew exactly what he was doing as should even one who does not know God should have understanding that coveting another man's wife, and killing her husband and not so long ago adultery and fornication were a thing to shun.

The world has fallen so far from God's Word that we needed help to restore mankind. We in our new covenant have been given the Spirit thanks to the work Jesus did on the cross, to guide us into all truth, to renew our ungodly thinking and doing that we have fed upon, to God's ways of thinking and doing.
Once we know the perfect will of God which is His Word, then we are accountable for them. Those who choose to live outside of God's Word still have some understanding of doing wrong. For that is what our con-science is all about, it is designed by God to torment us when we do something we know is not good, to bring us to a state of repentance to change or rebellion & judgment.

Main Entry:con*science
Pronunciation:*k*n-ch*ns
Function:noun
: consciousness of the moral right and wrong of one's own acts or motives
–con*science*less adjective
 

IBeMe

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afaithfulone4u: Agreed...


Actually, I didn't word that very well.

I was trying to add something in support of your excellent post.
 

afaithfulone4u

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IBeMe said:
afaithfulone4u: Agreed...


Actually, I didn't word that very well.

I was trying to add something in support of your excellent post.
Hello IBeMe,

Oh, I understood that, and agreed that I did not mention sins of ignorance which you added, so you did good and I took your post as agreeable. I thank you for your welcome addition : ). It just led to me adding more as well. See that is how we feed on one another (upon the Word) being the body of Christ, we share the Bread we have been given with our brothers for even more edification. God designed the body of Christ that way so that we need all the members to be a whole man.. not just lean on our own understanding.
All glory unto God for anything I have learned.
Blessings
 

The_highwayman

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afaithfulone4u said:
we may be forgiven, but it does not mean that we do not suffer the consequences of our actions.
Take David when he fell into temptation to fornicate with Bath-sheba making her a fornicator and adulterer and set up her husband Uriah to be killed to cover up his sin.
He obviously was in unbelief at this time for he was not aware He could not hide it from God and being a Just God the LORD did forgive David for what he had done once he repented of his sin against God but not before first suffering the consequences of his actions, which was the death of his son conceived through his sin. 2 Samuel 11-12

God may show some mercy when we suffer afflictions due to our bad choices that cause us to sin and we now no longer need priests who sacrifice once a year to pay for our sins for Christ paid our sin debt once and for all so that we are not destroyed at the end of the age as we should be... but it NEVER takes away our consequences for our actions.. they are for our learning. God is the same yesterday, today and forever and He never changes! His Word is His Word and He is not a man that He should lie and His judgments are JUST for we are under the covenant of reaping exactly what we have sown. To do unto others exactly as we would want them to do to us because that is what we shall receive.
So the sooner we learn to overcome the lusts of our flesh that led us to sin, the smoother our path becomes in life. For the Lord does not reward good for evil, He can forgive it so that we are not destroyed completely, but we will still suffer the torment of the hellish way we have chosen with our free will.

In the story of David and Bath Sheba you will notice that David was exposed before he repented and I do believe that IF we do fall into temptation and repent BEFORE being exposed there is a possibility of getting a lighter sentence for our actions.. but we should not willfully sin with this false hope for God is not mocked and He knows all the intensions of the heart and He is NO FOOL.

Deut 30:19-31:1
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
KJV

The voice of God is His Word and Jesus IS the Word of life the very Seed of God
1 John 1:1-2
1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
KJV

blessings for the edifying of the saints
afaithfulone4u & IBeMe,
I am not so sure I follow your opinion that David was in unbelief at this time for he was not aware He could not hide it from God. I believe David knew exactly what he was doing at this time, just like WE do when we willfully sin against God.

David was not a new babe in God at the time of his sin with Bathsheba and murder of Uriah, he was a spritually mature person and had seen God's hand over him numerous times. To say he was in unbelief at the time and could not hide it from God, takes away David's very character throughout the Bible. It also suggests that we have no power over being tempted and overcoming the lust of the flesh, the lust the eyes and the pride of life. WE have aboslute choice over sin, even when we are tempted.

There is no classification of SIN. SIN is SIN period.

To say that God is less tolerant of a willful SIN and is then more tolerant of sins of ignorance also takes away God's character and the work of the Holy Ghost.


Another point , often over looked in this story, is that when we are not where we should be and walking in God's plan for our lives, we can damage ourselves.
David was suppossed to be leading the battle, not staying behind. Had David been where God wanted him, the lust of the eyes, flesh and pride of life , would have never happened.

I also believe Psalm 51 proves David knew exactly what he was doing with Bathsheba and the subseuent murder of Uriah.

Lets also not forget something, when we were translated out of the powers of darkness and intot eh kingdom of his dear son, we got our choice back. If Iam saved and blodd bough and have renewed my mind, there are some SINs I should never have to deal with ever again. If I do stumble, which we all do, and commit a SIN I have put under the blood, then that was my choice and willful.

The Bible makes it very clear what SIN is and the Holy Ghost(if you let him) Will and does guide us into all truth.

David knew exactly what he was doing from staying home, the first look at Bathsheba, and until he buried the child she bore from that transgression.
 

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what I believe

I believe ROMANS 11: 32 that God Bound the whole world over to disobedience so he could have mercy on us all ------------ (inherited sin THE OLD MAN ADAM IN US ALL)


I believe The precious blood of Jesus washes away even willful sins.

I believe Jesus is the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the whole world :)
 

KevinMiller

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in a biblical context, repentance is recognizing that our sin is offensive to God. Repentance can be shallow, such as the remorse we feel because of fear of punishment or it can be deep, such as realizing how much our sins cost Jesus the Christ and how his saving grace washes us clean. Many think the word repent means “to get your act together” or to “get religion”. Repentance requires taking in a whole new point of view; looking at it God’s way. God simply asks us to turn. This is the way we accept His gift. When we do, certain outcomes are promised. If we don’t, or we “turn back”, alternate outcomes are promised.

Simply put; Confess your sin, and mean it from your heart and don’t repeat it again.


Psalm 145:8
" The LORD is gracious, and full of compassion; slow to anger, and of great mercy"


The gift of His only begotten son the Messiah and Christ “Jesus”, allows us to be forgiven and saved from our sins.