Where are the located?

[H. Richard]

Everyone has a mind, will, and emotions. But where are they located in the body?

The body dies but what about the thoughts in the mind, the will and the emotions? Do they die too?

 

[Willie T]

No one really knows, but if they do....... all problems solved.

 

[lforrest]

I think of the mind as a hybrid between the body and soul. The body part specifically being our brain. The heart is a metaphor derived from the feeling we get in that part of our body that comes from the brain.

When the body dies and the spirit departs, I can only assume what that is like. At the last resurrection everyone will need to be fully cognisent to face judgment.

 

[Miss Hepburn]

Do they die too?

No.
What would make you think that they did, my friend?

 

[H. Richard]

No.
What would make you think that they did, my friend?

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Is that how you answer a question? By asking a question?

 

[H. Richard]

I think of the mind as a hybrid between the body and soul. The body part specifically being our brain. The heart is a metaphor derived from the feeling we get in that part of our body that comes from the brain.

When the body dies and the spirit departs, I can only assume what that is like. At the last resurrection everyone will need to be fully cognisent to face judgment.

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The mind is a physical thing that runs the body. I posted this to see if there was anyone that could reason about the subject. You seem to be able to.

In 1996 I had a heart attack. I was at my doctor's office and after a prostrate finger exam he asked me the go to the restroom and give a urine sample. I didn't make it.

I was walking and suddenly everything went black, I had chest pain, became nauseated and could no longer feel my body. The pain only lasted a second or two and then it too disappeared. But I realized I could hear everything and was capable of thought.

I heard the doctor ask his nurse if there was a pulse three times and she said no. My thoughts were "well that is 3 strikes so I guess I am out of here."

Then I started to see things and to feel my body. They had put me back on the exam table. Next thing that happened was my going to the ER.

Looking back on this event I can see that the mind, will, and emotions, none of which are physical, do not die when the body does.

 

[lforrest]

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The mind is a physical thing that runs the body. I posted this to see if there was anyone that could reason about the subject. You seem to be able to.

In 1996 I had a heart attack. I was at my doctor's office and after a prostrate finger exam he asked me the go to the restroom and give a urine sample. I didn't make it.

I was walking and suddenly everything went black, I had chest pain, became nauseated and could no longer feel my body. The pain only lasted a second or two and then it too disappeared. But I realized I could hear everything and was capable of thought.

I heard the doctor ask his nurse if there was a pulse three times and she said no. My thoughts were "well that is 3 strikes so I guess I am out of here."

Then I started to see things and to feel my body. They had put me back on the exam table. Next thing that happened was my going to the ER.

Looking back on this event I can see that the mind, will, and emotions, none of which are physical, do not die when the body does.

You should have been unconscious. That you heard and remember what happened during your heart attack is unexpected.

People with brain damage will start acting differently, it is safe to assume the soul wasn't damaged with the brain, so what changes do we see in these people and can those reveal the role of the physical brain?

 

[H. Richard]

You should have been unconscious. That you heard and remember what happened during your heart attack is unexpected.

People with brain damage will start acting differently, it is safe to assume the soul wasn't damaged with the brain, so what changes do we see in these people and can those reveal the role of the physical brain?

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To me it looks like a person still has life in the mind, will, and emotions even when the body shuts down. I have often wondered what would have been the results if my body did not survive. Would I actually live on in my mind, will, and emotions.

IMHO, I think it is proof, to me, that even though the body dies the person still lives in the spirit.

 

[Miss Hepburn]

No.
What would make you think that they did, my friend?

My answer was No.
With a question, also...am I not allowed to ask a question? Geeze, forget it.

 

[H. Richard]

I think there is a difference between what we see as a physical brain that runs the body and the mind which I do not think is a physical thing but is spiritual.

 

[Helen]

I think there is a difference between what we see as a physical brain that runs the body and the mind which I do not think is a physical thing but is spiritual.

Very interesting thread.

It made me think of my mother. She had senile dementia badly. During her last 5 years ( she lived to be 99) she could speak English any more but just baby babble rubbish word.
So the brain was damaged, but I am sure her mind was still there, but unable to connect with us, without the brain.

So we can ask " Without the brain are we still 'us'..am I still 'me'?"
I am sure that we are!
"Me" can live inside but without outward expression if the brain is shot.

Don't you think it was you inner spirit which was alive and well...while your body was 'dead' for those few moments?
I've always felt that when we finally leave our bodies we kind of float around here for a little while. So many people have spoken of floating above their bodies...seeing them below. ( road accidents, surgeries etc) These spirits didn't leave instantly ( "absent from the body, present with the Lord") but hung around and lived again to tell the tale.

I can tell I am now rambling here...I will stop. :)

Very glad that you made a full recovery. ✟

 

[H. Richard]

Very interesting thread.

It made me think of my mother. She had senile dementia badly. During her last 5 years ( she lived to be 99) she could speak English any more but just baby babble rubbish word.
So the brain was damaged, but I am sure her mind was still there, but unable to connect with us, without the brain.

So we can ask " Without the brain are we still 'us'..am I still 'me'?"
I am sure that we are!
"Me" can live inside but without outward expression if the brain is shot.

Don't you think it was you inner spirit which was alive and well...while your body was 'dead' for those few moments?
I've always felt that when we finally leave our bodies we kind of float around here for a little while. So many people have spoken of floating above their bodies...seeing them below. ( road accidents, surgeries etc) These spirits didn't leave instantly ( "absent from the body, present with the Lord") but hung around and lived again to tell the tale.

I can tell I am now rambling here...I will stop. :)

Very glad that you made a full recovery. ✟

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Thank you

 

[brakelite]

I think we as Christians need to accept revelation on this matter, because with the current escalation in interest in spiritualism, the occult, NDEs, apparitions and visions of the dead, channeling etc, most of which are forbidden as abomination, if we accept false ideas on this topic, we may be, as many Christians are, deceived along with the world.

Psalm 146:1 ¶ Praise ye the LORD. Praise the LORD, O my soul.
2 While I live will I praise the LORD: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being.
3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Eccl. 9:
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun....
10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Psalm 6:4 Return, O LORD, deliver my soul: oh save me for thy mercies’ sake.
5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

Ps 30:9 What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth?

Ps 88:10 ¶ Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah.

Ps 88:11 Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction?

Ps 88:12 Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?

Ps 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Isa 38:18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.
19 The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do this day: the father to the children shall make known thy truth.

Call me a cynic if you wish. I do not expect many to believe the above word of God. Far too many Christians read these with the preconception that man is naturally immortal, and lives automatically beyond the grave. They prefer to believe the words of Satan from the garden of Eden, "ye shall not die", rather than the words of God's prophets above.

 

[H. Richard]

I think we as Christians need to accept revelation on this matter, because with the current escalation in interest in spiritualism, the occult, NDEs, apparitions and visions of the dead, channeling etc, most of which are forbidden as abomination, if we accept false ideas on this topic, we may be, as many Christians are, deceived along with the world.

Psalm 146:1 ¶ Praise ye the LORD. Praise the LORD, O my soul.
2 While I live will I praise the LORD: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being.
3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Eccl. 9:
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun....
10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Psalm 6:4 Return, O LORD, deliver my soul: oh save me for thy mercies’ sake.
5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

Ps 30:9 What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth?

Ps 88:10 ¶ Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah.

Ps 88:11 Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction?

Ps 88:12 Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?

Ps 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Isa 38:18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.
19 The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do this day: the father to the children shall make known thy truth.

Call me a cynic if you wish. I do not expect many to believe the above word of God. Far too many Christians read these with the preconception that man is naturally immortal, and lives automatically beyond the grave. They prefer to believe the words of Satan from the garden of Eden, "ye shall not die", rather than the words of God's prophets above.

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I see you are a skeptic. That is okay but I know what I experienced. Some think a person sees a light. I didn't see anything. All was black. But I could hear everything. My only question is, was I hearing with my ears?