Where Is Muhammad Ali Now?

[heretoeternity]

While you are reading the Koran read the Jewish talmud and see who has a higher opinion of Jesus, Muslims or Jews!
Actually Muhammad Ali joined the Muslim faith early in life because of the hypocrasy , racism and war mongering attitude he encountered in the "Christian" churches...strange how these attitudes don't seem to have changed that much.

 

[Tiny]

Tiny,

This is a CORE difference between Islam and Christianity. Who is the Muslim Jesus (Asa)? I agree we need to love Muslims and appreciate their devotion to their religion. Yes, pray for Muslims during Ramadan.

Let's look at a few statements from the Quran regarding Jesus. This is an overview of some of the statements about Jesus (Asa) in the Quran (from my article, Is Islam a religion of peace at its core?)

Hi Oz,
Is that your site? You have done a lot of research /writing!

Muslims are our little brother and sisters, who have been led astray by error.
Jesus loves them. 'Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.'

It is our job to show them the truth, regardless of how risky that is. Do you agree?

 

[OzSpen]

While you are reading the Koran read the Jewish talmud and see who has a higher opinion of Jesus, Muslims or Jews!
Actually Muhammad Ali joined the Muslim faith early in life because of the hypocrasy , racism and war mongering attitude he encountered in the "Christian" churches...strange how these attitudes don't seem to have changed that much.

'War mongering attitude' drove him away from Christianity, you say. So did it drive him into the arms of a warmongering Islam that is as war hungry as in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and wherever ISIL is operating?

 

[FHII]

'War mongering attitude' drove him away from Christianity, you say. So did it drive him into the arms of a warmongering Islam that is as war hungry as in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and wherever ISIL is operating?

Good point!

 

[heretoeternity]

'War mongering attitude' drove him away from Christianity, you say. So did it drive him into the arms of a warmongering Islam that is as war hungry as in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and wherever ISIL is operating?

You must know by now your so called "christian" nation, and it's war mongering leaders are the ones that have destabilzed the Middle east..These countries you mention were all peacefully getting on with ther lives until the "christian" president Bush decided to break internationa law by invading them..and yes even Syria they created and supply the ISIS crowd, who are not really Muslims but a bunch of mercenaries paid by the USA to create trouble in the region.
It might be a good idea if you get your facts straight and catch up to speed on the issues before commenting on them, don't you think?

 

[OzSpen]

You must know by now your so called "christian" nation, and it's war mongering leaders are the ones that have destabilzed the Middle east..These countries you mention were all peacefully getting on with ther lives until the "christian" president Bush decided to break internationa law by invading them..and yes even Syria they created and supply the ISIS crowd, who are not really Muslims but a bunch of mercenaries paid by the USA to create trouble in the region.
It might be a good idea if you get your facts straight and catch up to speed on the issues before commenting on them, don't you think?

I do have my facts straight. They are directly from the Quran:

At its core Islam promotes violence to unbelievers.
This is the violent nature of Islam according to the Quran:

• Quran 4:76 [Yusuf Ali translation], ‘Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan’.

• Quran 5:33 [Yisuf Ali], ‘The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter’.

• Quran 8:12 [Yusuf Ali], ‘Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them’.

• Quran 8:39 [Yusuf Ali], ‘And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do’.

• Quran 47:35 [Yusuf Ali], ‘Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost: for Allah is with you, and will never put you in loss for your (good) deeds’.

At its core, Islam is not a religion of peace.

Blaming political figures for invading countries is a red herring fallacy. The facts from the Quran demonstrate that Islam is designed to severely punish the unbeliever in Islam: 'I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them’.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

Hi Oz,
Is that your site? You have done a lot of research /writing!

Muslims are our little brother and sisters, who have been led astray by error.
Jesus loves them. 'Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.'

It is our job to show them the truth, regardless of how risky that is. Do you agree?

Tiny,

Yes, 'Truth Challenge' is my homepage. There are 513 articles of varying length and on a wide range of topics on the website.

Muslims can't be 'our little brother and sisters' because Allah did not have a Son and Islam is non-Trinitarian. They worship a different God.

It is our job to love them and show them the truth, at great risk, but it is very difficult to get past their commitment to Allah and the Quran. See my article, Is the God of Islam the same God as Elohim of the Christian Scriptures?

Here I provide evidence to demonstrate that the followers of Allah could not be brothers and sisters to Christians. All people need the Gospel - including Muslims.

Oz

 

[Tiny]

Love thy neighbor?

 

[OzSpen]

Love thy neighbor?

And you tell your neighbour the truth (Exodus 20:16).

 

[TopherNelson]

Love thy neighbor?

I agree with OzSpen,

What is Love?
Proverbs 27:5
Open rebuke is better than secret love.

The bible says to correct, rebuke and be bold to sinners.

 

[OzSpen]

I agree with OzSpen,

What is Love?
Proverbs 27:5
Open rebuke is better than secret love.

The bible says to correct, rebuke and be bold to sinners.

Thanks, David.

However, we must remember to share Christ with unbelievers in love. Truth in love are a dynamic combination. Ephesians 4:14-16 (NLT) makes this clear in a Christian context:

Then we will no longer be immature like children. We won’t be tossed and blown about by every wind of new teaching. We will not be influenced when people try to trick us with lies so clever they sound like the truth. 15 Instead, we will speak the truth in love, growing in every way more and more like Christ, who is the head of his body, the church. 16 He makes the whole body fit together perfectly. As each part does its own special work, it helps the other parts grow, so that the whole body is healthy and growing and full of love.

The theme of this thread regards where Muhammad Ali is after death. This applies to all Muslims and non-Muslims who have not bowed the knee to the Lord God Almighty through Jesus Christ. It is not only to Muhammad Ali. What's the biblical reality for all such people? John 3:36 (ESV) makes their eternal destiny very clear: 'Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him'.

Therefore, the Bible says that for Muhammad Ali at death, 'the wrath of God remains on him'. He is now experiencing the wrath of God. That may sound harsh, but it's speaking the truth in love. All human beings will not suffer the judgment of Muhammad, the founder of Islam. All humanity will face the Lord God himself, the one who divided history 2016 years ago through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ his Son, providing salvation for those who submit to Him.

Contrary to Ali's and the Quran's belief, this God did have a Son who died to appease the wrath of God for those who believe. It's called propitiation. 1 John 2:2 (ESV) explains, 'He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world'.

Oz

 

[Webers_Home]

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Ali's estimated worth at his passing was 50 million dollars; but so what?

● Mark 8:36-37 . . For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world,
and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?

If the Bible has it right; Ali's soul was lost even before he passed
away.

● John 3:17-18 . . God did not send His son into the world to condemn the
world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not
condemned, but whoever disbelieves in him stands condemned already.

If the Bible has it right; Ali went out of here cursed with God's
discontent.

● John 3:36 . . He that disbelieves the Son shall not see life; but the wrath
of God abideth on him.

You know, even if perchance the Koran has it right; there's no guarantee
that Ali made it to safety because Islam's god is very strict and not all that
easy to satisfy.

Every year, several millions of Muslims make the pilgrimage to Mecca. You
know why they do that? Mostly because they're scared-- they're scared
because Islam has a hell.

"But he whose balance (of good deeds) is found to be light, will have his
home in a (bottomless) Pit. And what will explain to you what this is? A Fire
blazing fiercely!" (101:8-11).

The Koran contains many warnings and descriptions of the severity of the
eternal punishment of Jahannam (hell fire).

Suffering in Islam's hell is both physical and spiritual, and varies according
to the sins of the condemned. As described in the Koran, hell has seven
levels; each one more severe than the one above it.

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