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Jesus told us 'who' are the saved.

Romans 10:9-10
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
 

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Just what is obedience and surrendering?

If I sin for some reason.....does that mean I didn't obey and surrender? If I didn't obey and surrender am I going to hell?

But, the question is.....Just what is obedience and surrendering?
How can I know what the Lord requires of you or what He wants you to surrender? Your faith, obedience and surrender cannot be validated by man. Only the Lord can do so. However, when I am unsure what to do, I default to this:

Mic 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Walk in that and He will show you more.
 

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faith without works is dead . no doubt about it .
But all the works one has matters not WHEN THEY CALL GOD A LIAR and continue to do so .
Here is who calls GOD a liar .
HE who believes NOT the testimony HE gave of the SON .
HERE is who has set to his seal that GOD IS TRUE , HE who recieves his testimony has set to his seal that GOD is true .
Inclusivism IS OF ANTI CHRIST and beng sold by a harlots love it has to all false religoins as well as much
of christendom .
Call GOD A LIAR and then see if ones works can save them . Go on , HOW righteous is it
TO call GOD A LIAR .
And every false religoin does , as do a atheist , an agnostic
and all who reject the true gospel OF JESUS THE CHRIST .
but if you think a man can save himself without FAITH IN CHRIST , just keep on pointing to inclisivism .
But woe to he or she who does . for they call GOD a liar . no shoes i want to be in my friend .
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faith without works is dead . no doubt about it .
But all the works one has matters not WHEN THEY CALL GOD A LIAR and continue to do so .
Here is who calls GOD a liar .
HE who believes NOT the testimony HE gave of the SON .
HERE is who has set to his seal that GOD IS TRUE , HE who recieves his testimony has set to his seal that GOD is true .
Inclusivism IS OF ANTI CHRIST and beng sold by a harlots love it has to all false religoins as well as much
of christendom .
Call GOD A LIAR and then see if ones works can save them . Go on , HOW righteous is it
TO call GOD A LIAR .
And every false religoin does , as do a atheist , an agnostic
and all who reject the true gospel OF JESUS THE CHRIST .
but if you think a man can save himself without FAITH IN CHRIST , just keep on pointing to inclisivism .
But woe to he or she who does . for they call GOD a liar . no shoes i want to be in my friend .
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Just what is obedience and surrendering?
This is a crucially important question because the immediate result of surrender is a heavy blanket of peace and rest that allows Him to expand your heart and then shed His love abroad in it. Surrender takes you beyond where your proud waves were not allowed to go thus far.

I find that I can’t answer you as to what surrender is other than to say it comes amid a severe crisis in your life and the result of the crisis, your behavior in it, shows you to yourself as you TRULY are and makes you as disgusted with yourself as you’ve been with others.

It took God 20 years after He’d given me the down payment of the Spirit to break me to surrender. They were difficult and turbulent years in which I lost everything I leaned on to feel secure, both temporal and then spiritual. I did not lose all of that willingly. I did not give it up willingly. I didn’t even KNOW it was all designed or permitted in order TO get me to surrender. Surrender is the point of willing whatever He sees fit to bring you to or place you in, whether pleasant or unpleasant, without any complaint or fight with Himself or with men.
 

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How can I know what the Lord requires of you or what He wants you to surrender? Your faith, obedience and surrender cannot be validated by man. Only the Lord can do so. However, when I am unsure what to do, I default to this:

Mic 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Walk in that and He will show you more.
I was hoping for a little more than that.
 

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I was hoping for a little more than that.
All you need is the first step. Take that one and the next will become clear. No one gets to know every step of their walk before hand. Although, Mostly confused has a good testimony about the process.
 
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All you need is the first step. Take that one and the next will become clear. No one gets to know every step of their walk before hand. Although, Mostly confused has a good testimony about the process.
You had replied with..."Are you saying we don't have to obey and surrender?"

I was simply trying to figure out what you were saying.

Many people I know try to obey and surrender. They're there but not there if you know what I mean. Some times you see surrender and obedience...sometimes you don't.

No one completely surrenders or completely obeys. In that sense ...NO...we don't have to obey and surrender.
 

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NO...we don't have to obey and surrender.
You have accepted a false Gospel. Satan has deceived you with the original lie. "You shall not surely die" Repent before it is too late.

Mt 7:21-26
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
 

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You had replied with..."Are you saying we don't have to obey and surrender?"

I was simply trying to figure out what you were saying.

Many people I know try to obey and surrender. They're there but not there if you know what I mean. Some times you see surrender and obedience...sometimes you don't.

No one completely surrenders or completely obeys. In that sense ...NO...we don't have to obey and surrender.
The bible says....you will seek for me and find me when you will seek me with ALL your heart. All of us ...given to God...gets the full measure of grace. Otherwise we just have the free sample.
 
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You have accepted a false Gospel. Satan has deceived you with the original lie. "You shall not surely die" Repent before it is too late.

Mt 7:21-26
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
This is exactly what many must be on guard against and specially in these last days .
Many do follow another jesus , another gopsel .
Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound .
GOD forbid .
For to whom ye yield yourselves servants TO Obey , is whose servants you are .
Whether of sin unto death or of OBEDIANCE unto righteousness .
And also any who preaches so called works of righteousness , WITHOUT HAVING
to first have to BELIEVE ON JESUS , is preaching a false gospel .
Inclusivism is a false one all r ight .
As is the so called hyper g race that always seems to allow sin and errors to remain upon the people .
WE have to expose ALL things contrary to CHRIST and thus to HIS gopsel , thus to His words and teachings .
Both sides are blind .
That is why the call is being made MORE than EVER
to this people , G ET back into THE BIBLE and let us learn about JESUS for ourselves .
cause men are fleecing this people BIG TIME .
 
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You had replied with..."Are you saying we don't have to obey and surrender?"

I was simply trying to figure out what you were saying.

Many people I know try to obey and surrender. They're there but not there if you know what I mean. Some times you see surrender and obedience...sometimes you don't.

No one completely surrenders or completely obeys. In that sense ...NO...we don't have to obey and surrender.
Maybe the situations you speak of haven't yet met the right time, the right wisdom, or the right understanding. People will inevitably walk on the wrong path, but not forever.
 

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Maybe the situations you speak of haven't yet met the right time, the right wisdom, or the right understanding. People will inevitably walk on the wrong path, but not forever.
not quite or even close is this mindset .
Oh i mean it is t rue that people do walk the wrong path , as did we all once ,
but then We beleived as God drews us to Christ .
yet many have often rejected JESUS as the CHRIST
or chosen a jesus that accepts their sins .
And many have even died walking that path of delusion and deception .
so my point is
NO MAN knows whether he has even this night .
LETS be far more grave and thus dont allow a delay upon this people .
NO man knows the day his eyes close , NOR does any know the day WHEREIN THE LORD cometh either .
LETS G RAVE UP and start putting a big ol sense of urgency to repent upon this people .
Now most will reject , but at least some might hear .
And many will indeed wail on JESUS day .
MANY will wail as they are cast into the lake of fire .
Lets never give out false hope . While we cannot make one beleive
we can speak the TRUTH . the cards will fall as they fall .
But we need a serious uptick in URGENCY and specially in these late and last hours
and so much the more as we SEE the day approaching .
Cause sin has risen big time and inquity fills many places .
And more and more the decieved now gather as birds of a feather
UNDER THE LIE OF ANTI CHRIST and believe this is the way to attain peace n safety .
And now a word .
For when they shall say PEACE N SAFETY , woe woe woe , SUDDEN destruction shall come upon them all.
and they WILL NOT escape .
 
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No one completely surrenders or completely obeys.
Completely surrenders/completely obeys 24/7 would be sinless perfection. None of us meet that standard. (Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8-10)
In that sense ...NO...we don't have to obey and surrender.
So, just in the sense of sinless perfection? Some folks may have taken your statement, "NO...we don't have to obey and surrender" to mean we don't have to obey Christ AT ALL or surrender to Christ AT ALL, which would explain why feathers got ruffled. Those who are born of God practice righteousness and not sin (1 John 3:9-10) which involves obedience and surrender to Christ, although we are not absolutely perfect, without sin, 100% of the time, exactly as Christ is. (2 Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 4:15; 1 Peter 2:22)
 

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Completely surrenders/completely obeys 24/7 would be sinless perfection. None of us meet that standard. (Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8-10)

So, just in the sense of sinless perfection? Some folks may have taken your statement, "NO...we don't have to obey and surrender" to mean we don't have to obey Christ AT ALL or surrender to Christ AT ALL, which would explain why feathers got ruffled. Those who are born of God practice righteousness and not sin (1 John 3:9-10) which involves obedience and surrender to Christ, although we are not absolutely perfect, without sin, 100% of the time, exactly as Christ is. (2 Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 4:15; 1 Peter 2:22)
He who says he abides in Christ ought to walk even as He walked.

Sinless perfection is in Christ. Those who enter into Him show forth HIS perfection. Walking IN Him..... In Him is no sin.

Until we personally enter into Christ we can still FOLLOW Christ from whatever distance we are comfortable with.
 

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He who says he abides in Christ ought to walk even as He walked.
To abide in Christ means to continue, not to depart, remain in a living relationship with Jesus Christ. To walk as Jesus is to walk in love, shaping our obedience and actions to mirror the character and behavior of Christ while He was on earth. This we ought to as our reasonable service and moral obligation.
Sinless perfection is in Christ. Those who enter into Him show forth HIS perfection. Walking IN Him..... In Him is no sin.
Our perfection is found in Christ and not in ourselves. (Romans 4:5-6; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Philippians 3:9)
Until we personally enter into Christ we can still FOLLOW Christ from whatever distance we are comfortable with.
All born again Christians (believers) are members of the body of Christ. (Romans 12:4-5; 1 Corinthians 12:13, 27; Ephesians 1:13-14)
 

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You have accepted a false Gospel. Satan has deceived you with the original lie. "You shall not surely die" Repent before it is too late.

Mt 7:21-26
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
To be honest...I see the deception in YOU!!!!

For example you only posted a portion of what I said...that is...."NO...we don't have to obey and surrender."

What I said was the following...and you snipped off the beginning and presented it under a false context.

Here is what I said...
No one completely surrenders or completely obeys. In that sense ...NO...we don't have to obey and surrender.

Respond to that in its entirety. Stop creating a false witness.
 
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The bible says....you will seek for me and find me when you will seek me with ALL your heart. All of us gets the full measure of grace. Otherwise we just have the free sample.
You are making a whole salvational argument out of one verse you misunderstand.

In response I can easily say...Romans 3:11 There is no one who understands, no one who seeks God.
 
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