Who are the Saved?
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Modern Christianity is a return to the ancient heresy of Gnosticism....pretend spirituality, positional ideology, a non-responsibility for one's actions (it's 100% Jesus)...etc
Yikes.....more claims.
How is it pretend spirituality?
How is it positional theology?
How is it non-responsibility?
Oh, I know...it'll take you years to deprogram me so why would you bother to explain your accusations?
As in...what do you mean by "how"? What do mean by "is?" what do you mean by "it"? What do you mean by "spirituality?"
A carnal man can't understand spiritual things...all they have is what they have been indoctrinated into from the pulpit. That's all. There is no reasoning or wisdom that can reach them.
What church..denomination, call them what you want preaches these great truth you're presenting?
Is it the Baptist? Presbyterians? Vineyard congregations? Assembly of God? Methodist? Episcopalians? Mormons? JW's?
...who?
Anything that has a denomination....a registered name...is Babylon. "Come let us make a name for ourselves".
When you see a sign on the front of a building that says "church", just how much gullibility are you bringing to bear?
Sounds like the only way to hear truth is to sit around and listen to just your youtube videos
The only way YOU may hear the truth...don't bite the hand that tries to help you.
Peace brother. <><
Wick Stick
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The first resurrection is for martyrs. It puts things right by giving them a life to replace the one they gave up.
I see 4 destinies like such:
1. The Martyrs - 1st resurrection, eternal life
2. The Righteous - eternal life
3. The Lukewarm - annihilated
4. The Wicked - tormented forever
You are getting there! :) Don't stop now!
1. The saints - 1st resurrection...inheriting GLORY in the holy city...ruling over the nations.
2. The righteous - 2nd resurrection...inheriting life (among the saved of the nations)
3. The filthy - (lukewarm who are neither holy nor righteous) inheriting shame in outer darkness. Losers in the 1st resurrection.
4. The wicked - who are killed in the lake of fire (the 2nd death). Losers in the 2nd resurrection.
Wick Stick
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Clarify #3 and #4, please.
Do the lukewarm exist infinitely but in shame and darkness? But the truly wicked are annihilated and do not suffer eternal torments?
The torment is to know that you were called into the Beloved but you let pride get in the way.
The lukewarm are neither holy (hot) nor righteous (cold)
Why do I say that righteous is cold?
Think the desert in the holy land. Where I live it gets cold. But in the land of Israel to be in the wilderness means that you get hot and thirsty.
So the righteous are portrayed as bringing cool refreshing in the following way...
Abraham represents the righteous. When the rich man is tormented with thirst he asks that Abraham bring him some water. So the righteous bring cool water.
Another example is....whoever gives a cup of COLD (it doesn't say water) in the name of a disciple will not lose his reward.
I'm sure there are others but this is off the top of my head. :)
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