Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

[robert derrick]

RD said: There aren't. And no one goes to heaven and lives in glory either.

Acts 1:9
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

TF doesn't know sarcasm.

If there is no hell for the wicked to go to, then there is no heaven for the righteous to appear in.

 

[theefaith]

TF doesn't know sarcasm.

If there is no hell for the wicked to go to, then there is no heaven for the righteous to appear in.

I see said the blind man!

 

[Jack]

“fire in the age to come.” The Greek does not refer to “eternal fire,” as if the fire would last forever, but rather “the fire in the age to come,” that is, the fire associated with Christ’s kingdom on earth, when the wicked will be punished by being thrown into Gehenna. The Greek word aiōnios (αἰώνιος) in this context does not refer to how long the fire burns as to the fact that it is the fire that is spoken of that relates to the Day of Judgment associated with the Messianic Age, the Coming Age, the age to come.

Why are you avoiding Scripture like plague? Even your NWT says you're wrong.

 

[JunChosen]

Are you really gonna follow the WatchTower to Hell fire? How sad. Why are you avoiding Scripture like plague? Even your NWT says you're wrong

Why do I sense that anyone who disagrees with you fall into the category of a JW?

You have purposely evaded to comment on the Scripture Jude 1:7 which I gave you that the everlasting fire is only an example. Otherwise if it is not an example, why don't we see the fires and smoke of Sodom and Gomorrah, today, seeing it is an everlasting fire as many believe?

And here we see the love and mercy of God towards His creation that He does not wish that any of them be eternally punished....for the wages of sin is death.... we read and not eternal punishment as many believe!!!

To God Be The Glory

 

[Jack]

Why do I sense that anyone who disagrees with you fall into the category of a JW?

Better question: Why are you following Kingdom Hall to Hell fire?

You have purposely evaded to comment on the Scripture Jude 1:7 which I gave you that the everlasting fire is only an example. Otherwise if it is not an example, why don't we see the fires and smoke of Sodom and Gomorrah, today?

And here we see the love and mercy of God towards His creation that He does not wish that any of them be eternally punished....for the wages of sin is death.... we read and not eternal punishment as many believe!!!

To God Be The Glory

Why don't you quote the Scripture? It's not that difficult.

 

[JunChosen]

Why don't you quote the Scripture? It's not that difficult.

It's fair enough and it's easy if you know where to look.
2 Peter 3:9 reads:
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but all should come to repentance."

To God Be The Glory

 

[JunChosen]

I see said the blind man!

That's a great comeback! You should be a comedian.

 

[Jack]

That's a great comeback! You should be a comedian.

And you accuse others of insults?

 

[Jack]

It's fair enough and it's easy if you know where to look.
2 Peter 3:9 reads:
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but all should come to repentance."

To God Be The Glory

None of which implies that Jesus isn't God and Hell isn't eternal. What's your point?

 

[JunChosen]

And you accuse others of insults?

I'm sorry but you didn't "get" what @theefaith response to @robert derrick in post #342. I meant it as a complement.

 

[Jack]

I'm sorry but you didn't "get" what @theefaith response to @robert derrick in post #342. I meant it as a complement.

You should read your own posts JW.

"You should be a comedian."

 

[robert derrick]

Still waiting on who created and made the sin nature, and who put it into man's soul and/or flesh.

I was created by Christ, and was lightened by Christ coming into the world. The devil had nothing to do with it, until after I grew enough to choose to lust as he, and to do evil rather than the good we are all created with.

The devil can stop another creation of Christ from entering the world by abortion, but he can't stop Christ from still creating men and women, as Adam and Eve, for His good pleasure.

I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

 

[Peterlag]

Still waiting on who created and made the sin nature, and who put it into man's soul and/or flesh.

I was created by Christ, and was lightened by Christ coming into the world. The devil had nothing to do with it, until after I grew enough to choose to lust as he, and to do evil rather than the good we are all created with.

The devil can stop another creation of Christ from entering the world by abortion, but he can't stop Christ from still creating men and women, as Adam and Eve, for His good pleasure.

I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

God made humans different from all the other creatures. In humans He put spirit in them. This is probably what it means to be made in His image. It does not mean God is a man and He made us like Him. He's spirit and He gave us spirit when he created humans. Eve did not want it so she gave it back to God. Well, we know it was not an apple. Adam also gave his back too. Now without spirit the human body will die. And that's what God told them. If you do this you will surely die. They said yeah, well... whatever. This put Adam and Even in a sin nature because they lost what made them holy. Now Christ got it back for us and so in Christ we no longer are alive to sin. Christ got back for us what Adam and Eve lost which is the gift of holy spirit.

 

[face2face]

God made humans different from all the other creatures. In humans He put spirit in them. This is probably what it means to be made in His image..

No what you mean is he enabled Adam to become a living breathing creature, right?

 

[Peterlag]

No what you mean is he enabled Adam to become a living breathing creature, right?

No that is the soul. Spirit is not the soul.

 

[face2face]

No that is the soul. Spirit is not the soul.

Provide a quote that demonstrated man was given "divine essence"
Good luck!

 

[Peterlag]

Provide a quote that demonstrated man was given "divine essence"
Good luck!

You ask... Provide a quote that demonstrated man was given "divine essence"

From the New Testament or the Old?

 

[robert derrick]

God made humans different from all the other creatures. In humans He put spirit in them. This is probably what it means to be made in His image. It does not mean God is a man and He made us like Him. He's spirit and He gave us spirit when he created humans. Eve did not want it so she gave it back to God. Well, we know it was not an apple. Adam also gave his back too. Now without spirit the human body will die. And that's what God told them. If you do this you will surely die. They said yeah, well... whatever. This put Adam and Even in a sin nature because they lost what made them holy. Now Christ got it back for us and so in Christ we no longer are alive to sin. Christ got back for us what Adam and Eve lost which is the gift of holy spirit.

I can go along with that.

However, only by sinning like Adam, does any person now have the same lust for sin like Adam.

All souls are still being created equally spiritual and clean, as Adam and Eve. There is therefore no excuse for any person sinning like Adam and Eve, even as there wasn't for them.

We are all created and lightened by Christ coming into the world, and death for the soul is only by the person lusting and sinning themselves.

Sin did not pass upon all men by birth, but death passes upon all by sinning, even as with Adam and Eve.

Jesus is the only soul on earth who never sinned, and so death did not pass upon His soul, until bearing our sins on the tree.

The mortal bodies die only because they are mortally made by Christ from the dust of the earth.

 

[face2face]

You ask... Provide a quote that demonstrated man was given "divine essence"

From the New Testament or the Old?

Any!

 

[Peterlag]

Any!

2 Corinthians 5:21
...that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.