Who Do You Believe?

[MatthewG]

It's not exactly a logical fallacy...
It's arguing from the general to the specific.

Most all mothers love their children...
So to assume that your mother loved you is not projecting....it's a logical conclusion.

Which is yet another step I'll explain in another post.

I don't need your explanation.

Not every parent loves their child either. Some people say "see ya later!" Like my dad.

Some people loved their children in the wrong way, and hopefully got caught and went to jail.
(I've seen countless people whom got caught concerning pedophilia.)
(I've seen countless people concerning child abuse who have been caught, and their children taken.)

It's okay you don't say sorry.

You have a good one.

 

[MatthewG]

Logical conclusion, believe no one.

Consider what they say, test what is available, and hopefully the Spirit of the Resurrected Lord Yeshua, brings you to truth which sets one free. Rather than bondage...

Like many people hold people too.

Choose for yourself.

 

[JohnDB]

Logical conclusion, believe no one.

Consider what they say, test what is available, and hopefully the Spirit of the Resurrected Lord Yeshua, brings you to truth which sets one free. Rather than bondage...

Like many people hold people too.

Choose for yourself.

Correct...
What I'm trying to describe is the process for determining fact from fiction in the resource world. It seems that today there are millions of books discussing theological viewpoints and opinions about God....which ones are true and which ones are not?
Sure scriptures are true but the latest of them were written in a very abbreviated manner over two thousand years ago on literally the other side of the planet. So we need some scientific assistance to get more out of these writings. (Geography, Anthropology, Topography, Meteorology, history, and etc)

For these things we need resources....and I'm discussing how we can determine which are best and worst. Even a poor resource can hold some truth and sometimes even in surprising ways.

The truth is always heavily nuanced and extremely limited. Lies are always designed to persuade and have no nuance or limit.
(Generally Speaking as always)

 

[MatthewG]

Correct...
What I'm trying to describe is the process for determining fact from fiction in the resource world. It seems that today there are millions of books discussing theological viewpoints and opinions about God....which ones are true and which ones are not?
Sure scriptures are true but the latest of them were written in a very abbreviated manner over two thousand years ago on literally the other side of the planet. So we need some scientific assistance to get more out of these writings. (Geography, Anthropology, Topography, Meteorology, history, and etc)

For these things we need resources....and I'm discussing how we can determine which are best and worst. Even a poor resource can hold some truth and sometimes even in surprising ways.

The truth is always heavily nuanced and extremely limited. Lies are always designed to persuade and have no nuance or limit.
(Generally Speaking as always)

John, you should request your thread be moved to general discussions.

I agree with you about that, there are countless upon countless of things one can gather concerning history, geography and what not.

When it comes down to your question above all else - "Who do you believe" I would faithfully say God, and the Lord Yeshua, whom came and said "I am the truth, the way, and the light or the life."

He is the truth, Yeshua. And upon that I believe the narrative should always be couched back to that original audience cause that was all Jesus had went to... the nation of Israel He never went to anyone else concerning that day in time.

Like I stated in one of my comments..

There are not enough people doing that... and that by going chapter by chapter Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John...

Many people just wanna expound on round-about 1000 year old doctrines, which amount to nothing compared to knowing what Jesus did, his apostles, and the bride of Christ in that day, and the history itself.

It's going to expound tremendously on the target audience concerning the bride of Christ, the WRath of God, and what the times of that culture was like...

 

[JohnDB]

Back to the main Topic.....

Accuracy and Evidence

Primary or Secondary: Always prefer original data not third party regurgitated summaries, look for experiments and results (correlation is not causation) and of course Documents and documentation.

 Citations: who are they quoting? Are they real? Click on citation links and look at who wrote them. Are they even relevant or knowledgeable? Not everyone is diligent in vetting resources and some are fabricated out of whole cloth.

Cross Verification :
search for critical and major statements on Google Scholar, Pub Med, Archive.org, Wikipedia or Grokipedia sometimes can be helpful. Basically any fact checking organization is helpful and should have some information.

Data and Methods
Is the data real or fabricated? Statistical anomalies blatant? Are the methods reproducible by others? (Special, solitary or secret revelations need not apply)

Logical fallacies? Strawman arguments? Cherry picked facts while ignoring other facts? False equivalents? Apples and oranges are fruits but not the same fruit.

 

[JohnDB]

Examining the contents:

Bias and Perspective
Ideological Slant? What Church do they represent and is it relevant to the topic?

Tone of Article or Book. Is it full of absolutes? Finger pointing? Conspiracy theories? (Not the same as going against the grain as some common thoughts).
Fear mongering?

Omitted Viewpoints?
Does the article or book even acknowledge the counter claims? Does it address them in any sufficient manner.

Cherry picked facts? Are other facts present that would change the perspective but conveniently left out.

 

[JohnDB]

Finally

Possibly create a chart that you list your references on. Give numerical value for various aspects of reliability....Possibly with notes about limitations.

About your selected interest topic....
Research the counter to it.
If researching "humility" research what constitutes "false humility". (Just an example) this is to stop personal prejudices and confirmation bias.

 

[JohnDB]

@Lambano

Heres a more detailed list of going about proving resources and hypotheses.

not easy stuff to accomplish. Ive done this before and its very time consuming to the point your head stays in the clouds...which is why i dont do it so much anymore.

 

[JohnDB]

@GodsGrace ....

So you will know why I bought the book AND see if there's anything I missed.

 

[GodsGrace]

@GodsGrace ....

So you will know why I bought the book AND see if there's anything I missed.

You want ME to check if there's anything YOU missed?
That's pretty funny JohnDB.
I'll trust that you absorbed much more than I ever can.