Who do you think will win Trump or Biden or Kanye?
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Earburner
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Earburner
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The evidence is the UN-WHO spoke "Pandemic" . Ever since then the world has gone into lock-step and lock-down, and still no one seems to know whats its all about or why?
The short answer is "control".
For every question, there is an answer that is short, easy, and..... wrong.
I notice the countries that quickly implemented rational controls have much lower death rates than we do. And saving lives, even in the age of Trump, still counts as a good thing. Reality matters.
Comes down to evidence. And the evidence suggests that even the most repressive authoritarian state is unable to truly gain that sort of control over people.
1. "History reveals that if the people say contrary to that which is said by "authority", that is a conspiracy against "authority".
2. History reveals that when "authority" says only that which they want the people to know, that is a conspiracy against the people."- Earburner
I notice Trump attempted to impose his "authority", but was largely unsuccessful. His only effect was to delay implementation until states realized that there was no one at the helm in Washington, and did it themselves.
This is hardly a conspiracy against the people, since it's the people doing it. "Conspiracy against Trump", maybe. But only in the sense of doing his job because he wasn't up to it.
1. "History reveals that if the people say contrary to that which is said by "authority", that is a conspiracy against "authority".
2. History reveals that when "authority" says only that which they want the people to know, that is a conspiracy against the people."- Earburner
I notice Trump attempted to impose his "authority", but was largely unsuccessful. His only effect was to delay implementation until states realized that there was no one at the helm in Washington, and did it themselves.
This is hardly a conspiracy against the people, since it's the people doing it. "Conspiracy against Trump", maybe. But only in the sense of doing his job because he wasn't up to it.
So where do you get these ideas? Not from the "mainstream media" for sure. Does God put these ideas into your head? If the "deep state" can control Trump, why can't it control you? I think someone's putting out ideas which you believe, but who is it?
Earburner
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What I was referring to is much larger than Trump! That which excercied its first innitiative in global "control", is the UN.
Apparently none here have noticed, when biblically speaking, they should have.
This is so wrong. New York is a great example of where the state and local governments ignored the recommendations of the CDC guidelines. We can criticize Trump, but we can criticize some Democrats too.
There's plenty of blame to go around. If Cuomo actually allowed some virus patients to be placed in nursing homes, then he deserved our criticism, too. Neither governors nor mayors are tasked with protecting this country from pandemics. There was a task force, created by President Obama, to anticipate and head off those threats. Trump, as part of his self-assigned mission to remove whatever he can of Obama's legacy, dissolved the task force.
"The Buck Stops Here."
Donald Trump has finally gotten in a position where he can't slough off the blame on someone else.
You two-faced phony. LOL You start the post with plenty of blame to go around, then quickly go back to it all being Trump's fault.
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Earburner
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When Trump said that he was going to "drain the swamp", is goal was to oust the
"globalist agenda", of which many in our government are, or have been swayed into believing.
I am a Born Again Christian, aren't you?
Earburner
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Your thinking is too myopic, and from inside the box. Think outside to box, and see that it is the UN that is begining to exercise global control, as the World Government. All it said was "PANDEMIC", and now the entire " global economic system" is in serious jeopardy.
I heard a radio show this morning on NPR that compared how the two states New York and Washington handled things at first. Washington followed CDC guidelines scrupulously while New York didn't. One point was how Cuomo and de Blasio made things political by making too many statements themselves. That show also mentioned how few times Obama talked about things -- he left it up to the medical experts. And when he did talk about it, he didn't make it political. They played a clip of him giving thanks to the Bush admnistration for the preparations they had made.
A big problem when politicians take center state is that people who voted for them are apt to believe them. People who didn't vote for them probably won't believe them. Cuomo, by the way, has become very popular; but he did mishandle things.
February 24, 2020 Cuomo: 4 People ‘Under Investigation’ For Coronavirus In New York
"The State Department of Health currently has four persons under investigation for novel coronavirus that are under isolation as their cases are being tested at the CDC," Cuomo said in a statement. "So far, one of these cases has been proven negative and three are still pending. While the risk for New York is currently low, the Governor is calling for increased vigilance to ensure New Yorkers are protected."
He was sounding like Trump at first, "We have this all under control."
March 1, 2020 Governor Cuomo Issues Statement Regarding Novel Coronavirus in New York
"This evening we learned of the first positive case of novel coronavirus — or COVID-19 — in New York State. The patient, a woman in her late thirties, contracted the virus while traveling abroad in Iran, and is currently isolated in her home. The patient has respiratory symptoms, but is not in serious condition and has been in a controlled situation since arriving to New York.
"The positive test was confirmed by New York's Wadsworth Lab in Albany, underscoring the importance of the ability for our state to ensure efficient and rapid turnaround, and is exactly why I advocated for the approval from Vice President Pence that New York was granted just yesterday.
"There is no cause for surprise -- this was expected. As I said from the beginning, it was a matter of when, not if there would be a positive case of novel coronavirus in New York.
"Last week I called for the Legislature to pass a $40 million emergency management authorization to confront this evolving situation -- I look forward to its swift passage.
"There is no reason for undue anxiety -- the general risk remains low in New York. We are diligently managing this situation and will continue to provide information as it becomes available."
De Blasio was trying to project an air of calm until aides said they were going to quit if he didn't start taking things more seriously. That's when he closed the schools.
Story here: Mayor Resisted Drastic Steps on Virus. Then Came a Backlash From His Aides.
All that being said, I'd say Trump politicized it and he'll pay a price for it. While Cuomo and de Blasio were also being political, the President is going to take most of the blame in this the situation. I think Trump should have kept mostly quiet and let his medical experts handle things, giving daily press updates the way Obama did.
I try to be realistic.
You keep talking about the UN. Have you spotted troops from the UN in your town? I think your beliefs about the UN is based on your religious views. You see bogeymen from the UN everywhere.
The fact is the UN has very little power unless the major countries co-operate. The UN can pass resolutions and that's about it. If the UN was so powerful, why can't they stop the wars they say should stop? You've no evidence at all that the UN is that powerful. It's what you believe, that's all; and I'd like to know who told you that.
So why hasn't he done it?
So what are you saying -- that God is putting ideas into your head?
I'd say he's being realistic. The person in the White House is going to get the most credit when things go right and the most blame when they do wrong. Trump may have made a big mistake by making a pandemic political. If it is political, he's the most powerful man in politics, so he's going to get the most blame.
Earburner
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No one said Covid-19 wasn't real, and of course saving lives is a good thing!
But at what cost? Do you honestly believe that this country or any other is going return to the social standard of 2019?
People's rights are being incrementally reshaped and/or taken away, due to a medical emergency, according to what "authority" says or even what it doesn't say.
What we are enduring in essence is "Medical Marshal Law".
Probably not for a generation. Even if Trump had acted promptly, this is going to be around for a while. It just killed way more people than it had to (and will; maybe 150,000 of us) because we didn't act promptly.
Actually, no one has lost any rights. Far more strict controls existed during WWII. And society today is more free (especially if one isn't a white male) than it was before WWII.
"Martial?" Perhaps you don't know what "martial law" actually means.
If you think I said that it was all Trump's fault, then we've identified the problem. In times of national emergency, it's the president who takes primary responsibility. Notice that early on, Trump got a nice bounce in his approval; the public tends to support presidents in times of crisis. Only after he bungled the crisis, did popular opinion turn against him.
Kudos to all of our politicians for the things they did right, and shame on them for any and all the things they did wrong. But the buck stops at the desk in the Oval Office, and that's how Trump will be judged.
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