Who do you think will win Trump or Biden or Kanye?

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Who will win Trump or Biden or Kanye?

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 35 85.4%
  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 4 9.8%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 2 4.9%
  • Kanye West

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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Giuliano

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Nothing at all. It's just the fall-back accusation for those guys when there's nothing left to say.



I'm skeptical about Bigfoot, and lizard people ruling the world, and the tooth fairy, too. For the same reasons.

There's always someone who wants to take down America. Trump is different only in that he's president. But the majority of Americans don't want him to be president any more than they want to "burn down our system." Some people do, but they are a minority.
Some "encouraging"polls for Trump. He's ahead by 4% in Texas and Arizona in two recent polls. Yippee! Now if only enough Trump supporters survive until November to vote for him. His campaign almost seems bent on spreading coronavirus to his supporters.
 
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Very wrong!!! Millions of Americans believe 1000% that President Trump is the best president in the last 150 years and will win in a HUGE LANDSLIDE in 2020!!!!PTL.

Hmm... let's take a look...

According to the latest odds from Bovada and other betting sites, presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden is the favorite to win the presidential election in November against incumbent Republican President Donald Trump.

Bovada lists Biden at -160, with Trump an underdog at +140. The odds also include Hillary Clinton (+5,000) and Vice-President Mike Pence at (+6,600) — two candidates who are extreme longshots to earn their party's nomination.

U.K. Betting site Bwin gives better odds to Biden (-167) compared to Trump (+160).

OddsShark, a U.S. betting site, showed Biden (-160) gaining on Trump (+140). On May 30, OddsShark listed Biden as the underdog at +130, with Trump favored at -120. However, the May odds had Clinton in the poll at +2,200.
Betting Odds For Joe Biden, Donald Trump To Win The 2020 Presidential Election

Imagine that.


 

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Some "encouraging"polls for Trump. He's ahead by 4% in Texas and Arizona in two recent polls. Yippee! Now if only enough Trump supporters survive until November to vote for him. His campaign almost seems bent on spreading coronavirus to his supporters.

The fact that "red states" are now statistical toss-ups, means Trump has to commit resources to saving himself there, when he needs to focus on the swing state where he's trailing badly.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Texas: Trump vs. Biden!
 

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ON ELECTION DAY 2016 posters said Hillary WOULD WIN 93% FOR SURE=ROFL!!
Huh? I followed the polls then. The polls were quite accurate. The people who thought they could predict the outcome using national polls were poorly informed. If the outcome had been decided by the national number of votes, Hillary would have won. She got more votes than Trump; but she didn't campaign enough in key states.

Things are different now with Biden ahead of Trump in six states Trump won in 2016: Ohio (by a small number), North Carolina, Arizona, Florida, Pennsylvania and Michigan. That one poll in Arizona showing Trump ahead by 4% is an outlier, and it was a rather small poll too thus with a higher margin of error than other polls.

Trump's lead in other states is also less than it was in 2016. He could lose other states he won in 2016 if he loses more supporters. He's ahead in Iowa by a whisker, 1.5%. (These numbers are averages of polls I get at RCP.) He's ahead by 2.5% in Texas (that average includes the poll where he was ahead by 4%.) And he's ahead in Georgia by only 4.3%.

In the red states where loss of support won't hurt him, Trump's support is an average of 11.8% less than it was in 2016. He'll still win in those states but with smaller numbers of votes. In battleground states, his support is down 6.1%, and in blue states only 2.9%. It's the battleground states that matter, of course.

My estimate of votes in the electoral college if the election were held today: Biden 346, Trump 185. Those numbers can change. I expect them to change; but Trump has a long haul in front of him to change that many minds. Particularly troubling for Republicans is how the coronavirus has been mishandled in so many Republican states. I was surprized when the people of Oklahoma voted to expand Medicaid.

While Trump continues to try to kill Obamacare, the people in Oklahoma finally said, "Enough is enough." They voted to to allow Medicaid to be expanded in their state. Their Republican politicians were afraid to do it.

Oklahoma Votes For Medicaid Expansion Over Objections Of Republican State Leaders

Voters in Oklahoma narrowly approved a ballot measure Tuesday night to expand Medicaid to eligible adults who need health insurance. Oklahoma is now the 37th state to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act; coverage will begin a year from now, on July 1, 2021.

Based on the final unofficial count, the measure passed with just over a 6,000-vote margin — less than one full percentage point.

Medicaid expansion was a key provision of the Affordable Care Act, but a Supreme Court ruling made it optional and left the decision up to each state. Medicaid is a public health insurance program for the poor, with states splitting the cost with the federal government.

Historically, Medicaid mostly covered low-income children and people with disabilities, but the Affordable Care Act allows states to expand access to Medicaid to uninsured adults who earn up to 138% of the federal poverty level. As an inducement, the federal government shoulders 90% of the cost of those newly-covered adults.

In Oklahoma, Medicaid expansion will likely help drive down the state's 14% uninsured rate, the second highest in the nation after Texas. It's estimated that at least 200,000 Oklahomans will be newly eligible for Medicaid, with enrollment potentially climbing even higher as millions lose their jobs amid the pandemic.

Chalk up another win for Obama, this time in the very red state of Oklahoma. Trump's response to this pandemic? End Obamacare!

Obamacare Must 'Fall,' Trump Administration Tells Supreme Court

In a filing with the U.S. Supreme Court, the Trump administration has reaffirmed its position that the Affordable Care Act in its entirety is illegal because Congress eliminated the individual tax penalty for failing to purchase medical insurance.

Solicitor General Noel Francisco, the government's chief advocate before the Supreme Court, said in a brief that the other provisions of Obamacare are impossible to separate from the individual mandate and that "it necessarily follows that the rest of the ACA must also fall."

Shortly after the brief appeared on the court's docket late Thursday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said in a statement: "President Trump and the Republicans' campaign to rip away the protections and benefits of the Affordable Care Act in the middle of the coronavirus crisis is an act of unfathomable cruelty."

In a speech on the lawsuit Thursday, former Vice President Joe Biden said he was proud of the ACA and denounced the administration's position. "It's cruel, it's heartless, and it's callous," he said.

Trump doesn't have to worry about losing Oklahoma, but Texas is another matter. As noted above, it has the highest rate of people who are lacking health insurance. It also has a very high rate of people needing hospitalization for coronavirus. It wouldn't surprise me then if Trump lost Texas. If enough people get sick and blame him and the Republicans for the lack of healthcare, he could lose Texas. How did Trump's promise to replace Obamacare go? He had a Republican House and Senate, and they still couldn't get it done. Expect to see this in Biden ads.


How much of what comes out of Trump's mouth can be believed? It seems the people in Oklahoma gave up on his promise to deliver "insurance for everybody." They voted for Obamacare.
 

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Trump admits he’s losing as advisor predicts "one of the worst electoral defeats in modern" history

According to a report from Politico, Donald Trump is privately acknowledging that he is headed to defeat
According to the report, the president's equally disastrous interview on Fox News with host Sean Hannity "horrified" close aides to the president.


"What should have been an easy interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity on Thursday horrified advisers when Trump offered a rambling, non-responsive answer to a simple question about his goals for a second term," Politico's Alex Isenstadt wrote. "In the same appearance, the normally self-assured president offered a tacit acknowledgment that he might lose when he said that Joe Biden is 'gonna be your president because some people don't love me, maybe.'"


According to one prominent adviser to Trump who worked on the president's 2016 run, the prospects of a win in November is quickly moving out of reach.
Trump admits he’s losing as advisor predicts "one of the worst electoral defeats in modern" history
 

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The fact that "red states" are now statistical toss-ups, means Trump has to commit resources to saving himself there, when he needs to focus on the swing state where he's trailing badly.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Texas: Trump vs. Biden!
I will admit Texas surprised me. The last time they voted for a Democrat for President was when Carter was running. I knew the state was trending more Democrat over time; but I wasn't expecting it to happen this fast.

Trump should have expanded his base. Then he could have hoped to win in swing states that Hillary won in 2016. He is further behind Biden now than he was behind Hillary in those states. For example, Hillary won Minnesota by 1.5%. Biden's ahead now there by 10.5%. Instead Trump curried favor from the most extreme factions in the Republican Party and wound up losing swing voters and more moderate Republicans. Now he's in the position you noted.
 

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Trump admits he’s losing as advisor predicts "one of the worst electoral defeats in modern" history

According to a report from Politico, Donald Trump is privately acknowledging that he is headed to defeat
According to the report, the president's equally disastrous interview on Fox News with host Sean Hannity "horrified" close aides to the president.



"What should have been an easy interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity on Thursday horrified advisers when Trump offered a rambling, non-responsive answer to a simple question about his goals for a second term," Politico's Alex Isenstadt wrote. "In the same appearance, the normally self-assured president offered a tacit acknowledgment that he might lose when he said that Joe Biden is 'gonna be your president because some people don't love me, maybe.'"


According to one prominent adviser to Trump who worked on the president's 2016 run, the prospects of a win in November is quickly moving out of reach.
Trump admits he’s losing as advisor predicts "one of the worst electoral defeats in modern" history
I think even Brad Parscale knows it's a losing proposition; but if he can make money running the campaign, it's fine with him. After all, he admitted he didn't bother to vote for Trump in 2016. What does he care? He's raking in the bucks.

Companies owned by Donald Trump's campaign manager have received nearly $40 million from the president's reelection committees, according to a new report

Beyond a conventional salary, it pays to be in the top ranks of the president's reelection campaign.

Brad Parscale, President Trump's 2020 campaign manager, has already gotten nearly $40 million paid to his companies through various reelection committees, according to a HuffPost analysis of FEC filings.

The filings show that between January 2017 and the end of March, Parscale's companies brought in $38.9 million from those committees.

He's been able to buy a Ferarri, a Range Rover, a $400,000 boat, two million dollar condos and a $2.4 million waterfront house in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., according to HuffPost.

The question then becomes who is going to want to keep making contributions to a campaign that looks futile? Open Secrets has an article on the subject.

Trump’s polling slump with reliable demographics could mean fundraising trouble

Since 2012, retirees have given more money than any industry or interest group to all presidential campaigns, including Trump’s 2016 and 2020 campaigns to date. This cycle, their donations have comprised nearly $34 million. Presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden has received $17 million from retirees this cycle.

A Pew Research analysis of exit polls in 2016 found voters 65 and older went for Trump by 53 percent to 45 percent. But a recent New York Times-Siena College poll shows Biden edging out Trump among voters aged 65 and older, largely over Trump’s handling of the COVID-19 pandemic. Even among older white voters, 38 percent report a strongly unfavorable view of the president, with two-fifths criticizing his handling of both the pandemic and race relations.

Overall, Trump is still leading in fundraising, particularly when it comes to small donors. But as OpenSecrets has reported, that margin is narrowing. The trend began even before Trump’s widely criticized responses to the COVID-19 epidemic and widespread protests of racial injustice, both of which pushed Biden’s fundraising comparatively higher.

Biden announced this week that his campaign and the Democratic National Committee raised $141 million in June compared to $131 million for Trump’s camp.

Biden is making progress in money raised in Texas where Trump's biggest donors were.

Trump is leading in fundraising in four of the six major swing states headed into 2020 — Arizona, Florida, North Carolina and Wisconsin — though Biden has a substantial lead in Pennsylvania and a narrow one in Michigan.

Texas donors have given over $18 million to Trump’s campaign committee, more than any other state. Biden has received $7.5 million from the state. But a slew of recent polls show the candidates dead even in the state, with a June 25 Fox News poll showing Biden up by 1 point. The gap between the candidates’ support has been narrowing since early June. According to the most recently available data, in March, Biden slightly outraised Trump by $10,000 in Texas.
 

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Still Rofl. Election day Nov. 2016 and Tv news on CNN says there is NO way that Trump can win tonight ===93% that Hillary will win!!! ROFL!!! Never Trumpers are slow leaners!!!ROFL.
 

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Even Trump now has it figured out:

In the same appearance, the normally self-assured president offered a tacit acknowledgment that he might lose when he said that Joe Biden is “gonna be your president because some people don't love me, maybe."
Trump admits it: He's losing
 
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Still Rofl. Election day Nov. 2016 and Tv news on CNN says there is NO way that Trump can win tonight ===93% that Hillary will win!!! ROFL!!! Never Trumpers are slow leaners!!!ROFL.
I didn't know you watched CNN. I don't. I also doubt you do. But magically you know everything that gets said on CNN, right?

But who does Kenneth Copeland prophesy will win? Now that's who would know for sure. Or maybe Jesse Duplantis. If you knew who they said was going to win, you might be able to make a big bet on it and win tons of money out of their prophetic word.
 
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I didn't know you watched CNN. I don't. I also doubt you do. But magically you know everything that gets said on CNN, right?

But who does Kenneth Copeland prophesy will win? Now that's who would know for sure. Or maybe Jesse Duplantis. If you knew who they said was going to win, you might be able to make a big bet on it and win tons of money out of their prophetic word.

Trump= God's man for these last days!!!
 

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Trump= God's man for these last days!!!
Yes, if we elect him again, God will have work for him planned for him to do until at least 2024. That means the rapture won't happen until Trump's work is done. Right?

On the other hand, if Biden is elected, the rapture could be early next year. Oh, but wait! If Biden is elected, maybe the Temple won't get built in Jerusalem; and the antichrist can't show himself because Biden didn't want a Temple. Just think! Elect Trump, get the Temple built, and start the animal sacrifices again. That could speed things up. Maybe we could make Armaggedon happen faster by electing Trump again. Right?
 

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That's not what CNN said...

Nov. 8, 2016
With one day to go before Election Day, CNN's Poll of Polls shows Clinton leading Trump by a narrow 4-point margin: 46% to 42%.
Clinton's chances for the White House on the rise - CNNPolitics

Turns out, she ended up with at 2% lead.
Washington (CNN)Hillary Clinton's odds of winning the presidency rose from 78% last week to 91% Monday before Election Day, according to CNN's Political Prediction Market.

Clinton's odds have always been much greater than her opponent, Republican nominee Donald Trump, according to the prediction market. ROFL. What did you learn from 2016????
 

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So does anyone know who Putin wants to win this time? Should the Russians be getting an apartment ready for Trump just in case Putin can't keep him in power?

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-st...suggests-hell-need-flee-their-country-1477554

In the wake of Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov's visit to the White House, Russia's state-controlled media outlets have been dissecting the situation by calling Trump a Russian agent.

Rossiya 1, a Russian TV channel, aired a news segment entitled, "Puppet Master and 'Agent'—How to Understand Lavrov's Meeting With Trump," according to The Daily Beast.

On the Russian program Sunday Evening With Vladimir Soloviev, Mikhail Gusman, first deputy director of ITAR-TASS, Russia's largest news agency, said, "Sooner or later, the Democrats will come back into power. The next term or the term after that, it doesn't matter... I have an even more unpleasant forecast for Trump. After the White House, he will face a very unhappy period."

"Should we get another apartment in Rostov ready?" asked host Vladimir Soloviev, as translated by The Daily Beast.
 

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Washington (CNN)Hillary Clinton's odds of winning the presidency rose from 78% last week to 91% Monday before Election Day, according to CNN's Political Prediction Market.

Clinton's odds have always been much greater than her opponent, Republican nominee Donald Trump, according to the prediction market. ROFL. What did you learn from 2016????
Did you see where that prediction came from? It was not based on serious polls. It was a game!

CNN's Political Prediction Market is an online game administered by the company Pivit, which functions like an online market and allows Internet users to predict the outcome of the 2016 election. It is not to be confused with polls from real voters.

That was about as scientific as the poll in this thread which has 86% of the people saying they think Trump will win.
 

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Did you see where that prediction came from? It was not based on serious polls. It was a game!

CNN's Political Prediction Market is an online game administered by the company Pivit, which functions like an online market and allows Internet users to predict the outcome of the 2016 election. It is not to be confused with polls from real voters.

That was about as scientific as the poll in this thread which has 86% of the people saying they think Trump will win.

"scientific"polls said the same= No pathway for Trump to win in 2016!!! ROFL!!!
 

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"scientific"polls said the same= No pathway for Trump to win in 2016!!! ROFL!!!
RCP's last average of polls in 2016 had Clinton ahead of Trump by 2.1%. That's the national polls which don't really matter.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein

Clinton did win the popular vote and by 2.1% too. While those polls don't matter because we use the electoral college, it shows that the polls were quite accurate.

2016 United States presidential election - Wikipedia.

It was not that the polls were that inaccurate. It was the talking heads on television who didn't understand polling and also didn't seem to understand how the electoral college works that were so sure Clinton had to win. I do know both; and I was following the polls of each state carefully. I was not engaging in wishful thinking. I knew Trump had a chance of winning. It would depend to a large extent on which campaign was able to turn out the vote better. Hillary's campaign was terrible. I live in Pennsylvania, and she could have won here if she had shown more interest. She barely showed up here, and Trump won because people who wanted him were more inspired to go vote.

Part of Hillary's problem was how many blacks who had voted for Obama didn't show up to vote for her. If they had, Trump would have lost. Some blacks were sure she'd win so they didn't bother showing up to vote. Others weren't that enthusiastic about her. So we can possibly thank black people who didn't vote for the fact that Trump became President. Don't expect black voters to make that mistake again. Their votes do matter. . . . when they vote.