Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

[CrowCross]

i never denied a 'bodily resurrection'

You claimed our resurrected bodies will be physical.

The Holy Spirit Says different.

But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” 36You fool! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37And what you sow is not the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or something else. 38But God gives it a body as He has designed, and to each kind of seed He gives its own body.

39Not all flesh is the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another, and fish another. 40There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But the splendor of the heavenly bodies is of one degree, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is of another. 41The sun has one degree of splendor, the moon another, and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.

42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. 43It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”;e the last Adam a life-giving spirit.

So which is it? Are we raised as spiritual non-physical bodies or are we raised with a physical body and a spirit like the one Jesus has?

 

[rwb]

The serpent in the bible is in a fallen state. Prior to that satan walked in the garden in an un-fallen state.

How did the serpent, a metaphor for Satan come into this fallen state? Remember how God defines the serpent at creation, which we only discover from the New Testament to describe Satan. Why does God tell us the serpent, a creeping thing, created with all the creatures upon the earth was created more subil [cunning & crafty in a bad sense] than any other beasts of the field?

Genesis 3:1 (KJV) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Genesis 1:24-25 (KJV) And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

 

[rwb]

So which is it? Are we raised as spiritual non-physical bodies or are we raised with a physical body and a spirit like the one Jesus has?

Both! At physical death faithful saints are raised a spiritual body, and then when the last/seventh trumpet sounds faithful saints will be bodily resurrected immortal and incorruptible physical flesh.

 

[David in NJ]

So which is it? Are we raised as spiritual non-physical bodies or are we raised with a physical body and a spirit like the one Jesus has?

You don't know then!

 

[TribulationSigns]

I'm sorry, but I have no idea of what you're trying to prove here???

He can’t.

 

[WPM]

Are you saying that in the beginning Adam and Eve....day one...were made man and wife not day 6?

No

 

[WPM]

The Gospel is the Biblical support to that which Genesis Claims.

Lol. You have nothing in the Gospels that supports a future millennium. You have nothing in Genesis. If you had you would have quoted it by now.

 

[David in NJ]

Lol. You have nothing in the Gospels that supports a future millennium. You have nothing in Genesis. If you had you would have quoted it by now.

Sure i do = God Said So = in Genesis and then in the Gospel and then in Revelation

It's never a good thing to doubt what God has Said.

 

[rwb]

Sure i do = God Said So = in Genesis and then in the Gospel and then in Revelation

It's never a good thing to doubt what God has Said.

David, please list the verses first from Genesis you believe teach a future one-thousand-year reign of Christ on the earth. If you can't provide the proof texts from the Bible how are we to know what you believe you know and we do not?

Are you basing this on the number of years of life of some people before the flood? For instance, Methuselah who lived 969 years and died the year of the Flood? Almost one thousand years, does not one thousand years make.

 

[William Barton]

Bingo.
A person with a bible

IMO:
o. The rapture occurs at the midpoint of the seven-year tribulation.
o. The final 3 1/2 years are the Great Tribulation (Matthew 24:21).
o. Millennium = 1000-year reign.
o. 1000 years is noted SIX TIMES (Revelation 20: 2, 3, 4, 5, 6,7).

 

[David in NJ]

Are you basing this on the number of years of life of some people before the flood? For instance, Methuselah who lived 969 years and died the year of the Flood? Almost one thousand years, does not one thousand years make.

Truth Time
Men lived over 900 years

Methuselah lived 969 literal years - that's just a mere 31 years short of 1,000 years

The literal 1,000 years are promised by God and are soon coming in Glory for those who know and love the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[ewq1938]

Truth Time
Men lived over 900 years

Methuselah lived 969 literal years - that's just a mere 31 years short of 1,000 years

The literal 1,000 years are promised by God and are soon coming in Glory for those who know and love the Lord Jesus Christ.

I think this is related:

Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

This shows 3 kingdoms of people having their lives prolonged after the 4th beast was destroyed by a coming of God and a throne judgment, followed by the nations being ruled for a thousand years, matching the events of Rev 19-20

 

[rwb]

Truth Time
Men lived over 900 years

Methuselah lived 969 literal years - that's just a mere 31 years short of 1,000 years

The literal 1,000 years are promised by God and are soon coming in Glory for those who know and love the Lord Jesus Christ.

Yes, before the flood Methuselah lived just short of one thousand years. Using the life span of Methuselah to prove there will be one thousand years given this earth after Christ comes again does not work. Because after the flood the life span of man was shortened to 120 years. Longer life spans beyond 120 years would be futile because fallen mankind always resist the Spirit of God.

Genesis 6:3 (KJV) And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Where has God promised a literal one thousand years for man upon this earth that shall come?

 

[WPM]

Sure i do = God Said So = in Genesis and then in the Gospel and then in Revelation

It's never a good thing to doubt what God has Said.

Zero evidence. The reader can see you have nothing.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Yes, before the flood Methuselah lived just short of one thousand years. Using the life span of Methuselah to prove there will be one thousand years given this earth after Christ comes again does not work. Because after the flood the life span of man was shortened to 120 years. Longer life spans beyond 120 years would be futile because fallen mankind always resist the Spirit of God.

Genesis 6:3 (KJV) And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Where has God promised a literal one thousand years for man upon this earth that shall come?

Rev 20:1-7 teaches a 1000 year period but I don't see where the same teaches that men will live to a 1000 years of age in that period