Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

[amigo de christo]

Good news? or False prophecy!!!

Please post the Scripture from Revelation that SPECIFICALLY Declares: "Jesus removes His Bride from the Revelation tribulations."

He does remove us from GODS wrath .
But the saints are appointed unto the wrath of that beast .
WHO does the beast make war against . VERY C LEARLY the SAINTS .
WHO does the wrath of GOD come again st
ALL who took its mark . Very clear it is my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

Good news? or False prophecy!!!

Please post the Scripture from Revelation that SPECIFICALLY Declares: "Jesus removes His Bride from the Revelation tribulations."

its says very very clearly WHO the beast cometh against and maketh war against .
THE SAINTS .
Notice they have to put the word tribulation saints to fit the pre trib .
Someone is lying to this people .
HOW come JESUS and then later the apostels PREPARED the church FOR TRIBULATION .
And yet PRE trib DOES NO SUCH THING and says rather SOMETHING ELSE .
Just saying . And WHO ya think i am gonna heed , MEN or GOD .
The words of twisted men , OR THE PURE WORDS OF TRUTH IN THAT BIBLE .
Exactly . THE SHEEP HEED THE SHEPARD OF THE SHEEP , not wolves , BUT JESUS .

 

[Marvelloustime]

just a friendly reminder but i would not get my cues from hollywood concerning God or the faith .
I have a far better idea . Lets fall in love with the words in said bible again . Watch how
quickly they refresh one .

@amigo de christo

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to prove with this statement, "The fact is the term Church isn't used after chapter 4 until chapter 22."?

You need to remember the Revelation of Jesus Christ (the whole), from instructions " which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:", were written explicitly to be sent to the churches on earth. They were not limited to only the seven churches because John says they bare record of the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ, with blessings for he that reads, and they that hear the words of this prophecy. The letters were circulated throughout the churches then, and through the Bible are still be circulated to all Christian churches since then.

Why would the term Church need to be continually repeated in the Revelation, because those who understand the letters are directed to ALL Christians (the church on earth) have no need of being told again and again the message of the Revelation is to those alive in the past, present and future, IOW ALL who claim the name of Christ.

It's foolish to deny the church (faithful Christians) are ordained to suffer "great tribulation" as long as the gospel of the Kingdom of God is being preached unto all the nations of the world for a witness unto all nations, then the END shall come, not another one thousand years of more time.

Matthew 24:14 (KJV) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 24:21 (KJV) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

A popular view of modern Evangelical Christians is Daniel's 70th week, hence the Gap theory, the 7 year Tribulation (which I disagree with, because it states 42 months or 1260-1335 days in various places); that THE Church isn't mentioned after Rev. 4 - beg to differ. The multitude that no one could number_ in heaven _ who just came OUT OF THE TRIBULATION _ is the Raptured Church in Rev.7:9.
>>> If you came out of it, that usually means you were in it!
I would welcome debates on that one!

 

[rwb]

A popular view of modern Evangelical Christians is Daniel's 70th week, hence the Gap theory, the 7 year Tribulation (which I disagree with, because it states 42 months or 1260-1335 days in various places); that THE Church isn't mentioned after Rev. 4 - beg to differ. The multitude that no one could number_ in heaven _ who just came OUT OF THE TRIBULATION _ is the Raptured Church in Rev.7:9.
>>> If you came out of it, that usually means you were in it!
I would welcome debates on that one!

Yes, a depiction of all who have been eternally saved come not only out of tribulation, but "great tribulation", exactly as Christ spoke from the Mt of Olives, telling us that as the gospel of the Kingdom of God is preached unto all nations, there would be great tribulation such as never been before and shall never be again. We need to ask ourselves, what entity upon this earth throughout this age of grace has suffered greater tribulation in spite of martyrdom than any other entity upon the earth as the universal church (faithful saints) has and continues to have, and still continues to prosper and grow?

Revelation 7:9 (KJV) After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Revelation 7:14 (KJV) And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

This is a true saying, the Church of Christ is being built upon the blood of the martyrs for the faith; i.e. faithful saints (church). This is why Christ assures us: "I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." At no time since the creation of man has there ever been greater persecution/great tribulation against those who faithfully proclaim the gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ Jesus our Lord than for those who call themselves Christian (church).

John 16:33 (KJV) These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Pre-trib, Biblical, Not theory!:

God's Great GRACE Departure!

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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[David in NJ]

Pre-trib, Biblical, Not theory!:

God's Great GRACE Departure!

---------
And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

Correction from the HOLY SPIRIT = pre-trib rapture NEVER came out of the Mouth of GOD

After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands. 10And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation to our God,

who sits on the throne,

and to the Lamb!”

11And all the angels stood around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. And they fell facedown before the throne and worshiped God, 12saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God forever and ever! Amen.”

13Then one of the elders addressed me:
“These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”

14“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”

So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation;
they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

 

[WPM]

A popular view of modern Evangelical Christians is Daniel's 70th week, hence the Gap theory, the 7 year Tribulation (which I disagree with, because it states 42 months or 1260-1335 days in various places); that THE Church isn't mentioned after Rev. 4 - beg to differ. The multitude that no one could number_ in heaven _ who just came OUT OF THE TRIBULATION _ is the Raptured Church in Rev.7:9.
>>> If you came out of it, that usually means you were in it!
I would welcome debates on that one!

Okay then: where is the rapture of the Church mentioned in Daniel 9? Where is a seven-year tribulation mentioned in Daniel 9? Where is a third coming mentioned in Daniel 9?

 

[WPM]

Pre-trib, Biblical, Not theory!:

God's Great GRACE Departure!

---------
And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

Proof? Or, is that because you said?