Who is the Whore of babylon

[BreadOfLife]

I did whittle it down for your simple mind, but you still ignored it. As for my link, it deals with the overall false teaching of Christophanies, not just one verse you are interested in. It is positions like yours that keep Christians dumbed down.

If she really saw God, then explain the three verses I cited (Exodus 33:20; John 1:18; 1 Timothy 6:16).

You have missed the entire point of the Christophany.
God appeared AS the "Angel" of the Lord - so these 3 verses don't apply. Hagar didn't see God in "all is glory" or she would have died.

The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4). He appeared to the Apostles in the FORM of tongues of fire in the Upper Room in Acts 2 - and they lived to tell about it.

 

[gadar perets]

You have missed the entire point of the Christophany.
God appeared AS the "Angel" of the Lord - so these 3 verses don't apply. Hagar didn't see God in "all is glory" or she would have died.

Oh, nowww I understand! God appeared as His own messenger! How could I not know that? Your doctrines are so false and so skewed. I'm done. There is no reasoning with you. You are in your own little Catholic world of make believe.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh, nowww I understand! God appeared as His own messenger! How could I not know that? Your doctrines are so false and so skewed. I'm done. There is no reasoning with you. You are in your own little Catholic world of make believe.

God ALSO appeared in the flesh, as a burning bush, as a rock in the desert, etc.
It's ALL Biblical truth. YOUR lack of faith is irrelevant . . .

 

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They were keeping the Sabbath Day.

No, it doesn't say that. The canon simply says they were to work, not rest, on Saturday. Nowhere in that entire synod does it imply anyone was keeping the full Sabbath according to Jewish tradition. You are reading into it what isn't there.

They were hearing the Gospel and even partaking of what you call the Eucharist on Sabbath.

That was cleared up in canon 16. The Scriptures were to be read, and the whole ecclesiastical office was to be heard. You don't know what that means, and you don't care.

How ignorant can men possibly be to say it is "Judaizing" to not work on the Sabbath in obedience to YHWH's command? That is exactly what Satan desires; to cause men to disobey YHWH. May YHWH have mercy on your profound ignorance and disobedience.

Then Jesus was disobedient to your 1960's re-made Jewish law by rising and Ascending on Sunday.

Where is your obedience to God's command to keep the Tabernacle Lamp burning continuously? (Exodus 27:21) You follow the so called reformers when they threw both the Lamp and the Tabernacle in the trash.

Where is your obedience to God's command to circumcise 8 day old baby boys?

How many of the 600+ other Jewish laws do you actually adhere to with the same rigidity???

Can you give ONE name to any alleged Christian Sabbatarian during the 2nd to the 4th century??? No, you can't. Neither can Brokelight.

 

[brakelite]

The canon simply says they were to work, not rest, on Saturday

Precisely my point. Abrogating a commandment of God and demanding the people should obey mere mortals instead.

How many of the 600+ other Jewish laws do you actually adhere to with the same rigidity???

Do you throw out the 6th commandment because it was "Jewish"? The 7th commandment? Do you cast aside the ethics pertaining to marriage because that was "Jewish"? Oh no, my bad. Marriage can't be Jewish can it because it was established at creation right? No Jews back then right? Mmmm. Maybe the Sabbath isn't Jewish either because it was established at creation when there weren't any Jews around?

 

[gadar perets]

No, it doesn't say that. The canon simply says they were to work, not rest, on Saturday. Nowhere in that entire synod does it imply anyone was keeping the full Sabbath according to Jewish tradition. You are reading into it what isn't there.

The fact that Canon 29 was given shows that there were "Judaizers" that needed to be warned about the consequences of obeying God rather than men.

That was cleared up in canon 16. The Scriptures were to be read, and the whole ecclesiastical office was to be heard. You don't know what that means, and you don't care.

You got that right. I don't care about all your Catholic man made laws.

Then Jesus was disobedient to your 1960's re-made Jewish law by rising and Ascending on Sunday.

Yeshua had no choice as to what day he resurrected. He was dead. His Father chose to raise him up on the first of the week to fulfill the wave sheaf offering which just happened to fall on that day that year.

Where is your obedience to God's command to keep the Tabernacle Lamp burning continuously? (Exodus 27:21) You follow the so called reformers when they threw both the Lamp and the Tabernacle in the trash.

He did not give that command to me, but to Aaron and his sons.

Where is your obedience to God's command to circumcise 8 day old baby boys?

I made sure my three sons were circumcised the 8th day, not so I or they could be justified, but because I choose to obey my Father.

How many of the 600+ other Jewish laws do you actually adhere to with the same rigidity???

I do not adhere to any "Jewish laws", but I try to obey every law of YHWH that applies to me including wearing tzit tzits, not eating unclean swine's flesh, not moving my neighbors boundary markers, etc.

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[gadar perets]

Can you give ONE name to any alleged Christian Sabbatarian during the 2nd to the 4th century??? No, you can't. Neither can Brokelight.

Here are some citations from those centuries. Other centuries can be found at Sabbath keepers throughout history along with these.

Sabbath Observance Through The Centuries - The Second Century A.D.

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  EARLY CHRISTIANS - 2nd Century
  "The primitive Christians had a great veneration for the Sabbath, and spent the day in devotion and sermons. And it is not to be doubted but they derived this practice from the Apostles themselves, as appears by several scriptures to the purpose." "Dialogues on the Lord's Day," p. 189. London: 1701, By Dr. T.H. Morer (A Church of England divine).
  
  EARLY CHRISTIANS - 2nd Century
  "...The Sabbath was a strong tie which united them with the life of the whole people, and in keeping the Sabbath holy they followed not only the example but also the command of Jesus." "Geschichte des Sonntags," pp.13, 14
  
  EARLY CHRISTIANS - 2nd Century
  "The Gentile Christians observed also the Sabbath," Gieseler's "Church History," Vol.1, ch. 2, par. 30, 93.
  
  EARLY CHRISTIANS - 2nd Century
  "The primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews;...therefore the Christians, for a long time together, did keep their conventions upon the Sabbath, in which some portions of the law were read: and this continued till the time of the Laodicean council." "The Whole Works" of Jeremy Taylor, Vol. IX,p. 416 (R. Heber's Edition, Vol XII, p. 416).
  
  EARLY CHRISTIANS - 2nd Century
  "It is certain that the ancient Sabbath did remain and was observed (together with the celebration of the Lord's day) by the Christians of the East Church, above three hundred years after our Saviour's death." "A Learned Treatise of the Sabbath," p. 77
  
  Note: By the "Lord's day" here the writer means Sunday and not the true Sabbath," which the Bible says is the Sabbath. This quotation shows Sunday coming into use in the early centuries soon after the death of the Apostles. It illustrates the apostasy that Paul the Apostle foretold of when he spoke about a great "falling away" from the Truth that would take place soon after his death.
  
  "From the apostles' time until the council of Laodicea, which was about the year 364, the holy observance of the Jews' Sabbath continued, as may be proved out of many authors: yea, notwithstanding the decree of the council against it." "Sunday a Sabbath." John Ley, p.163. London: 1640.

Sabbath Observance Through The Centuries - The Third Century A.D.

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  EGYPT (OXYRHYNCHUS PAPYRUS) (200-250 A.D.)
  "Except ye make the sabbath a real sabbath (sabbatize the Sabbath," Greek), ye shall not see the Father." "The oxyrhynchus Papyri," pt,1, p.3, Logion 2, verso 4-11 (London Offices of the Egypt Exploration Fund, 1898).
  EARLY CHRISTIANS-C 3rd
  "Thou shalt observe the Sabbath, on account of Him who ceased from His work of creation, but ceased not from His work of providence: it is a rest for meditation of the law, not for idleness of the hands." "The Anti-Nicene Fathers," Vol 7,p. 413. From "Constitutions of the Holy Apostles," a document of the 3rd and 4th Centuries.
  
  AFRICA (ALEXANDRIA) ORIGEN
  "After the festival of the unceasing sacrifice (the crucifixion) is put the second festival of the Sabbath, and it is fitting for whoever is righteous among the saints to keep also the festival of the Sabbath. There remaineth therefore a sabbatismus, that is, a keeping of the Sabbath, to the people of God (Hebrews 4:9)." "Homily on Numbers 23," par.4, in Migne, "Patrologia Graeca," Vol. 12,cols. 749, 750.
  
  PALESTINE TO INDIA (CHURCH OF THE EAST)
  As early as A.D. 225 there existed large bishoprics or conferences of the Church of the East (Sabbath-keeping) stretching from Palestine to India. Mingana, "Early Spread of Christianity." Vol.10, p. 460.
  
  INDIA (BUDDHIST CONTROVERSY), 220 A.D.)
  The Kushan Dynasty of North India called a famous council of Buddhist priests at Vaisalia to bring uniformity among the Buddhist monks on the observance of their weekly Sabbath. Some had been so impressed by the writings of the Old Testament that they had begun to keep holy the Sabbath. Lloyd, "The Creed of Half Japan," p. 23.
  
  EARLY CHRISTIANS
  "The seventh-day Sabbath was...solemnised by Christ, the Apostles, and primitive Christians, till the Laodicean Council did in manner quite abolish the observations of it." "Dissertation on the Lord's Day," pp. 33, 34
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Sabbath Observance Through The Centuries - The Fourth Century A.D.

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  ITALY AND EAST-C 4th
  "It was the practice generally of the Easterne Churches; and some churches of the west...For in the Church of Millaine (Milan);...it seems the Saturday was held in a farre esteeme... Not that the Easterne Churches, or any of the rest which observed that day, were inclined to Iudaisme (Judaism); but that they came together on the Sabbath day, to worship Iesus (Jesus) Christ the Lord of the Sabbath." "History of the Sabbath" (original spelling retained), Part 2, par. 5, pp.73, 74. London: 1636. Dr. Heylyn.
  ORIENT AND MOST OF WORLD
  "The ancient Christians were very careful in the observance of Saturday, or the seventh day...It is plain that all the Oriental churches, and the greatest part of the world, observed the Sabbath as a festival...Athanasius likewise tells us that they held religious assembles on the Sabbath, not because they were infected with Judaism, but to worship Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath, Epiphanius says the same." "Antiquities of the Christian Church," Vol.II Book XX, chap. 3, sec.1, 66. 1137,1138.
  
  ABYSSINIA
  "In the last half of that century St. Ambrose of Milan stated officially that the Abyssinian bishop, Museus, had 'traveled almost everywhere in the country of the Seres' (China). For more than seventeen centuries the Abyssinian Church continued to sanctify Saturday as the holy day of the fourth commandment." Ambrose, DeMoribus, Brachmanorium Opera Ominia, 1132, found in Migne, Patrologia Latima, Vol.17, pp.1131,1132.
  
  ARABIA, PERSIA, INDIA, CHINA
  "Mingana proves that in 370 A.D. Abyssinian Christianity (a Sabbath keeping church) was so popular that its famous director, Musacus, travelled extensively in the East promoting the church in Arabia, Persia, India and China." "Truth Triumphanat,"p.308 (Footnote 27).
  
  ITALY-MILAN
  "Ambrose, the celebrated bishop of Milan, said that when he was in Milan he observed Saturday, but when in Rome observed Sunday. This gave rise to the proverb, 'When you are in Rome, do as Rome does.'" Heylyn, "The History of the Sabbath" (1612)
  
  SPAIN-COUNCIL ELVIRA (A.D.305)
  Canon 26 of the Council of Elvira reveals that the Church of Spain at that time kept Saturday, the seventh day. "As to fasting every Sabbath: Resolved, that the error be corrected of fasting every Sabbath." This resolution of the council is in direct opposition to the policy the church at Rome had inaugurated, that of commanding Sabbath as a fast day in order to humiliate it and make it repugnant to the people.
  
  SPAIN
  It is a point of further interest to note that in north-eastern Spain near the city of Barcelona is a city called Sabadell, in a district originaly inhabited. By a people called both "Valldenses" and Sabbatati."
  
  PERSIA-A.D. 335-375 (40 YEARS PERSECUTION UNDER SHAPUR II)
  The popular complaint against the Christians-"They despise our sungod, they have divine services on Saturday, they desecrate the sacred the earth by burying their dead in it." Truth Triumphant," p.170.
  
  PERSIA-A.D.335-375
  "They despise our sun-god. Did not Zorcaster, the sainted founder of our divine beliefs, institute Sunday one thousand years ago in honour of the sun and supplant the Sabbath of the Old Testament. Yet these Christians have divine services on Saturday." O'Leary, "The Syriac Church and Fathers," pp.83, 84.
  
  COUNCIL LAODICEA-A.D.365
  "Canon 16-On Saturday the Gospels and other portions of the Scripture shall be read aloud." "Canon 29-Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day they shall especially honor, and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day." Hefele's "Councils," Vol. 2, b. 6.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Here are some citations from those centuries. Other centuries can be found at Sabbath keepers throughout history along with these.

Sabbath Observance Through The Centuries - The Second Century A.D.

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  EARLY CHRISTIANS - 2nd Century
  "The primitive Christians had a great veneration for the Sabbath, and spent the day in devotion and sermons. And it is not to be doubted but they derived this practice from the Apostles themselves, as appears by several scriptures to the purpose." "Dialogues on the Lord's Day," p. 189. London: 1701, By Dr. T.H. Morer (A Church of England divine).
  
  EARLY CHRISTIANS - 2nd Century
  "...The Sabbath was a strong tie which united them with the life of the whole people, and in keeping the Sabbath holy they followed not only the example but also the command of Jesus." "Geschichte des Sonntags," pp.13, 14
  
  EARLY CHRISTIANS - 2nd Century
  "The Gentile Christians observed also the Sabbath," Gieseler's "Church History," Vol.1, ch. 2, par. 30, 93.
  
  EARLY CHRISTIANS - 2nd Century
  "The primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews;...therefore the Christians, for a long time together, did keep their conventions upon the Sabbath, in which some portions of the law were read: and this continued till the time of the Laodicean council." "The Whole Works" of Jeremy Taylor, Vol. IX,p. 416 (R. Heber's Edition, Vol XII, p. 416).
  
  EARLY CHRISTIANS - 2nd Century
  "It is certain that the ancient Sabbath did remain and was observed (together with the celebration of the Lord's day) by the Christians of the East Church, above three hundred years after our Saviour's death." "A Learned Treatise of the Sabbath," p. 77
  
  Note: By the "Lord's day" here the writer means Sunday and not the true Sabbath," which the Bible says is the Sabbath. This quotation shows Sunday coming into use in the early centuries soon after the death of the Apostles. It illustrates the apostasy that Paul the Apostle foretold of when he spoke about a great "falling away" from the Truth that would take place soon after his death.
  
  "From the apostles' time until the council of Laodicea, which was about the year 364, the holy observance of the Jews' Sabbath continued, as may be proved out of many authors: yea, notwithstanding the decree of the council against it." "Sunday a Sabbath." John Ley, p.163. London: 1640.

Sabbath Observance Through The Centuries - The Third Century A.D.

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  EGYPT (OXYRHYNCHUS PAPYRUS) (200-250 A.D.)
  "Except ye make the sabbath a real sabbath (sabbatize the Sabbath," Greek), ye shall not see the Father." "The oxyrhynchus Papyri," pt,1, p.3, Logion 2, verso 4-11 (London Offices of the Egypt Exploration Fund, 1898).
  EARLY CHRISTIANS-C 3rd
  "Thou shalt observe the Sabbath, on account of Him who ceased from His work of creation, but ceased not from His work of providence: it is a rest for meditation of the law, not for idleness of the hands." "The Anti-Nicene Fathers," Vol 7,p. 413. From "Constitutions of the Holy Apostles," a document of the 3rd and 4th Centuries.

Sabbath Observance Through The Centuries - The Fourth Century A.D.

• ITALY AND EAST-C 4th
  "It was the practice generally of the Easterne Churches; and some churches of the west...For in the Church of Millaine (Milan);...it seems the Saturday was held in a farre esteeme... Not that the Easterne Churches, or any of the rest which observed that day, were inclined to Iudaisme (Judaism); but that they came together on the Sabbath day, to worship Iesus (Jesus) Christ the Lord of the Sabbath." "History of the Sabbath" (original spelling retained), Part 2, par. 5, pp.73, 74. London: 1636. Dr. Heylyn.
  ORIENT AND MOST OF WORLD
  "The ancient Christians were very careful in the observance of Saturday, or the seventh day...It is plain that all the Oriental churches, and the greatest part of the world, observed the Sabbath as a festival...Athanasius likewise tells us that they held religious assembles on the Sabbath, not because they were infected with Judaism, but to worship Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath, Epiphanius says the same." "Antiquities of the Christian Church," Vol.II Book XX, chap. 3, sec.1, 66. 1137,1138.
  
  ABYSSINIA
  "In the last half of that century St. Ambrose of Milan stated officially that the Abyssinian bishop, Museus, had 'traveled almost everywhere in the country of the Seres' (China). For more than seventeen centuries the Abyssinian Church continued to sanctify Saturday as the holy day of the fourth commandment." Ambrose, DeMoribus, Brachmanorium Opera Ominia, 1132, found in Migne, Patrologia Latima, Vol.17, pp.1131,1132.
  
  PERSIA-A.D. 335-375 (40 YEARS PERSECUTION UNDER SHAPUR II)
  The popular complaint against the Christians-"They despise our sungod, they have divine services on Saturday, they desecrate the sacred the earth by burying their dead in it." Truth Triumphant," p.170.
  
  PERSIA-A.D.335-375
  "They despise our sun-god. Did not Zorcaster, the sainted founder of our divine beliefs, institute Sunday one thousand years ago in honour of the sun and supplant the Sabbath of the Old Testament. Yet these Christians have divine services on Saturday." O'Leary, "The Syriac Church and Fathers," pp.83, 84.
  
  COUNCIL LAODICEA-A.D.365
  "Canon 16-On Saturday the Gospels and other portions of the Scripture shall be read aloud." "Canon 29-Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day they shall especially honor, and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day." Hefele's "Councils," Vol. 2, b. 6.

1. In Col. 2:16-17, Paul explicitly refers to the Sabbath as a "shadow", which is no longer binding since the reality (Christ) has come. The phrase "a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day" refers to the annual, monthly, and weekly holy days of the Jewish calendar (1 Chron. 23:31; 2 Chron. 2:4; 31:3; Ezek. 45:17; Hosea 2:11). Why would Paul have used the word "Sabbath" if he was referring to special ceremonial dates of rest in that passage? He had already described those ceremonial dates when he talked about festivals and new moons.
   
   
2. Since Heb. 8 says that we are now under the New Covenant, we are no longer required to the Mosaic Covenant - which the Sabbath was a sign of to Israel (Exod. 31:16-17; Ezek. 20:12; Neh. 9:14).
   
   
3. Christians are never commanded to observed the Sabbath in the NT.
   
   
4. The NT church met on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).
   
   
5. NOWHERE in the OT are the Gentiles commanded to observe the Sabbath – NOR are they condemned for not doing. If it were meant to be an eternal precept – then they would have been commanded to do so.
   
   
6. The Apostles didn’t impose keeping the Sabbath on the Gentile believers in Antioch at the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15.
   
   
7. Paul NEVER warns his Gentile readers about keeping o breaking the Sabbath – yet he warns them about every other kind of sin and offense against God. Why is that??
   
   
8. Paul rebukes the Galatians for wrongly thinking that God expected them to observe special days - including the Sabbath (Gal. 4:10-11).
   
   
9. In Rom. 14:5, Paul prohibited Jewish Sabbath observers from condemning Gentile non-Sabbath observers.
   
   
10. The Early Church Fathers, beginning with Ignatius of Antioch at the start of the 2nd century taught that the OT Sabbath had been fulfilled and that the first day of the week (Sunday) was the day when Christians should meet for worship. This is contrary to the claim that SDAs and other Sabbatarians make that Sunday worship was not instituted until the fourth century.
    
    
11. The Lord's Day is a time when Christians gather to commemorate the Lord’s resurrection which occurred on the first day of the week. Sunday doesn’t “replace” Saturday as the Sabbath. HOWEVER, just as the Lord rested on the Sabbath – to the Christian, every day is one of Sabbath rest because Heb. 4:9-11 tells us that we have ceased from our spiritual labor and are resting in the salvation of the Lord.

 

[epostle]

1. In Col. 2:16-17, Paul explicitly refers to the Sabbath as a "shadow", which is no longer binding since the reality (Christ) has come. The phrase "a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day" refers to the annual, monthly, and weekly holy days of the Jewish calendar (1 Chron. 23:31; 2 Chron. 2:4; 31:3; Ezek. 45:17; Hosea 2:11). Why would Paul have used the word "Sabbath" if he was referring to special ceremonial dates of rest in that passage? He had already described those ceremonial dates when he talked about festivals and new moons.
   
   
2. Since Heb. 8 says that we are now under the New Covenant, we are no longer required to the Mosaic Covenant - which the Sabbath was a sign of to Israel (Exod. 31:16-17; Ezek. 20:12; Neh. 9:14).
   
   
3. Christians are never commanded to observed the Sabbath in the NT.
   
   
4. The NT church met on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).
   
   
5. NOWHERE in the OT are the Gentiles commanded to observe the Sabbath – NOR are they condemned for not doing. If it were meant to be an eternal precept – then they would have been commanded to do so.
   
   
6. The Apostles didn’t impose keeping the Sabbath on the Gentile believers in Antioch at the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15.
   
   
7. Paul NEVER warns his Gentile readers about keeping o breaking the Sabbath – yet he warns them about every other kind of sin and offense against God. Why is that??
   
   
8. Paul rebukes the Galatians for wrongly thinking that God expected them to observe special days - including the Sabbath (Gal. 4:10-11).
   
   
9. In Rom. 14:5, Paul prohibited Jewish Sabbath observers from condemning Gentile non-Sabbath observers.
   
   
10. The Early Church Fathers, beginning with Ignatius of Antioch at the start of the 2nd century taught that the OT Sabbath had been fulfilled and that the first day of the week (Sunday) was the day when Christians should meet for worship. This is contrary to the claim that SDAs and other Sabbatarians make that Sunday worship was not instituted until the fourth century.
    
    
11. The Lord's Day is a time when Christians gather to commemorate the Lord’s resurrection which occurred on the first day of the week. Sunday doesn’t “replace” Saturday as the Sabbath. HOWEVER, just as the Lord rested on the Sabbath – to the Christian, every day is one of Sabbath rest because Heb. 4:9-11 tells us that we have ceased from our spiritual labor and are resting in the salvation of the Lord.

"Remnant of God", gadar's sorce, is a site where anti-Catholics, like drug addicts, mainline their anti-Catholic polemics. They cater to religious junkies having the same effect that pornography has on the brain. There are millions of such sites. Those on a steady diet of this garbage are rotting their minds. Does gadar see any Catholic sites bearing such intense false witness against any group???

 

[epostle]

7 Reasons to reject Sabbatarianism
(Seventh Day Sabbath Keeping) ​

(1) Keeping the Sabbath was a commandment given only to Israel, not to mankind in general...

(2) The Ten Commandments are not the greatest commandments. Those who insist on making the Ten Commandments an eternal standard of morality become guilty of cutting and pasting their doctrine from the Bible. Jesus teaches us that there are two great commandments: loving God with all our heart and loving our neighbor as yourself (Mt 22:34-40). Yet these two greatest commandments are taken not from the Ten Commandments, but rather two separate passages from the Torah (Deut 6:5; Lev 19:8).

It would be quite ironic to say the Ten Commandments remain eternal while the greatest commandments can be either ignored or appended at will to the Ten Commandments. In reality, Christian tradition has shown the two greatest commandments are the only supreme commandments, and summarize the entire Mosaic Law and Prophets. The Ten Commandments are thus only a very handy guideline summary for the two greatest commandments.

(3) Sabbatarianism is a form of Judaizing. One of the biggest heresies in the Apostolic age was that of Jewish Christians pressuring Gentile Christians to get circumcised and thus live by the Mosaic Law (Acts 15:5). This was especially 'visible' in the avoiding of certain foods and keeping of certain holidays. Yet the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15 demonstrates that keeping the Mosaic Law is not required for Gentile Christians, only Faith in Jesus...

(4) If all of the Old Testament is a shadow of things to come, fulfilled in Christ, as 2:17 says, then it would be absurd for something as central as the Sabbath to have no fulfillment in Christ...

...After the Mosaic Law was abolished, Christians only kept the Ten Commandments format to use as guidelines for general morals (e.g. don't kill, steal, lie), but not as a legal code with detailed regulations and legal penalties. A crucial passage to be aware of in this regard is 2 Corinthians 3, which says the Ten Commandments are the “ministry of death” (2 Cor 3:7)! Now Paul is not saying the Ten Commandments are evil, but rather that they being the heart of the Mosaic Law represent a dead-end path to salvation. To treat the Ten Commandments as a law in itself as a rule to follow is saying the Mosaic Law is the path to salvation, which is a great heresy!

(5) The New Testament never commands Sabbath Keeping for Christians. The only time Sabbath keeping is mentioned in the New Testament is in reference to either the Jews keeping the Sabbath or for the Apostles going to preach in the synagogue on the Sabbath (since that's when the Jews assembled).

(6) Sunday is not the Sabbath. One of the biggest mistakes made by Sabbatarians is thinking that the Catholic Church “moved the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday”. The truth is, the Catholic Church never did such a thing, and that's because Sunday worship is not at all the same as the Sabbath. They are two different things. Christians worship on Sunday because Jesus Resurrected on Sunday and began the Church on Pentecost Sunday. In other words, we celebrate new creations on Sunday. On the flip side, Saturday is a day of ceasing from work, and is embodied in Jesus' “resting” in the tomb. The emphasis for Christians on Sunday is to take time off to devote to worshiping the Trinity, while the emphasis for the Sabbath is to take time off to rest from the work week. This is not to say there isn't some sense of overlap in terms of duties, but to suggest the Sabbath was “moved” by Catholics is a total mistake.

(7) The mention of Sabbath and Marriage in the Garden of Eden each have a fulfillment...
NICK'S CATHOLIC BLOG: 7 Reasons to reject Sabbatarianism (Seventh Day Sabbath Keeping)

 

[epostle]

“If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death–whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master.”
Ignatius, To the Magnesians, 9:1 (A.D. 110).

“The seventh day, therefore, is proclaimed a rest–abstraction from ills–preparing for the Primal Day,[The Lord’s Day] our true rest; which, in truth, is the first creation of light, in which all things are viewed and possessed. From this day the first wisdom and knowledge illuminate us...
Clement of Alexandria, Stromata, 6:16 (A.D. 202).

“In fine, let him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day because of the threat of death, teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath, or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered “friends of God.” For if circumcision purges a man since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did He not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges?...
...For Enoch, too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and in-observant of the Sabbath, He translated from this world; who did not first taste death, in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might by this time show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God.”
Tertullian, An answer to the Jews, 2 (A.D. 203).

“The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the Holy Scriptures, and the oblation: because on the first day of the week our Lord rose from the lace of the dead and on the first day of the week He arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week He ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week He will appear at last with the angels of heaven.”
Teaching of the Apostles, 2 (A.D. 225).

“Hence it is not possible that the rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh of our God; on the contrary, it is our Saviour who, after the pattern of His own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of His death, and hence also of His resurrection.”
Origen, Commentary on John, 2:27 (A.D. 229).

 

[gadar perets]

If anyone else reading this thread would like me to reply to any of the last four posts, I will for your sake, but I am done replying to these two people who have no desire to learn the truth about the Sabbath.

 

[BreadOfLife]

If anyone else reading this thread would like me to reply to any of the last four posts, I will for your sake, but I am done replying to these two people who have no desire to learn the truth about the Sabbath.

Like ALL false arguments - you've simply run OUT of ammunition . . .

 

[gadar perets]

Like ALL false arguments - you've simply run OUT of ammunition . . .

No. I have simply run out of patience with people who are ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No. I have simply run out of patience with people who are ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Sounds like a spoiled child who can't convince the other kids to play with him, so he takes his ball and runs home . . .

 

[gadar perets]

Sounds like a spoiled child who can't convince the other kids to play with him, so he takes his ball and runs home . . .

Whatever makes you feel good about yourself.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

I've been told multiple times that the whore of babylon from revelation is the Roman Catholic Church and the vatican yet I have read revelation 17 and 18 multiple times and a better match seems to be pagan rome which took place in the time revelation was written, why do people keep claiming that the whore of babylon is the catholic church when alot of the evidence suggests pagan rome

In the OT, false religion--especially pagan religion, was compared to prostitution. The Book of Revelation leads one to believe that false religion will be used by the Kings of the Earth to take totalitarian rule over the earth's people. Then it tells us that once they have used "her" to get what they want, they kill "her" (in pretty graphic detail) because they hate "her." The Kings of the Earth give their power and authority to the Antichrist/Beast--probably at the midpoint of the Tribulation. Once the Antichrist takes over, it will be literally "hell on earth" because he will be exercising Satan's power over the world. But Jesus assured us that it would be cut short or "no flesh would be left alive." Praise God--He only permits it for a short time.

 

[farouk]

In the OT, false religion--especially pagan religion was compared to prostitution. The Book of Revelation leads one to believe that false religion will be used by the Kings of the Earth to take totalitarian rule over the earth's people. Then it tells us that once they have used "her" to get what they want, they kill "her" (in pretty graphic detail) because they hate "her." The Kings of the Earth give their power and authority to the Antichrist/Beast--probably at the midpoint of the Tribulation. Once the Antichrist takes over, it will be literally "hell on earth" because he will be exercising Satan's power over the world. But Jesus assured us that it would be cut short or "no flesh would be left alive." Praise God.

This is why we need always to cleave to the Lord and to Scripture.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

It was first century Jerusalem

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

It was first century Jerusalem

That is just silly. Where were the Two Witnesses preaching for 42 months and then the gift-giving, in celebration of their deaths? When was the world terrified when the Two Witnesses were seen to be resurrected? Where was the 200 million-man army? Where was the great battle between the armies of heaven and the forces of Antichrist? When did the Antichrist stand in the Temple and announce that he was God? Who was the False Prophet? When did he order all of the world's people to worship an animated statue of Antichrist? What was the Mark of the Beast? Who took the Mark on their foreheads or hands? Who or what was the Whore of Babylon. Who were the Ten Kings? How did they use "her" to put a world dictatorship in place? When did they subsequently kill "her" and eat "her" flesh and burn "her" remains with fire (Revelation 17:16)?