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by Pastor Jeromy John Visser(Introduction:)
Very true, for the most part. Tertullian, Justin Martyr, and Iranaeus though, were far from pagan.
I didn't realize that about the trinity, but the way I see it is that Yahweh God is all things. While the Son is not the Father, and the Holy Spirit is neither of them, but they are all One in the Father right?Far from pagan
Tertullian is perhaps one of the most famous pro trinitrian scholars on record - did you know his work on the trinity is some of the oldest discovered works?
Pagan through and through, as he based his work on Plato (heathen Greek gainsayer!) and need I say more?
By the way, do you know where many of these so called intellectuals ended up?
Insight
I didn't realize that about the trinity, but the way I see it is that Yahweh God is all things. While the Son is not the Father, and the Holy Spirit is neither of them, but they are all One in the Father right?
And no i don't , please enlighten me on where they ended up.
Very good Israel
Well history records that Plato (400BC) populized Egyptian doctrines especially immortality of the soul. Many of the scholars who praise him today think he was the brightest of all the Greek Philosophers and had the most influence on Christian teaching than any other man! In fact the entire pagan system today is established on his teachings and not the Apostles, incredible how much of Plato is in the minds of those in this forum.
But where dud Plato scholars flourish?
The Catholic Church so where ever you see the word “orthodox” rest assured Plato’s Egyptian teachings are firmly taught within. If you research the earliest Christians around 3[sup]rd[/sup] century you will find they fought to the death these heathen philosophies and many of them became martyrs.
Of course eventually the Church grab hold of these “ideas” and were able to win many converts through the bring together of Paganism and Christianity.
Go and read about Origen, while he had many false beliefs he spoke out against the trinity even influencing a movement around 200-250 AD although eventually his ideas were discounted by more prominent scholars.
Here is a task for you to consider.
If you go into Wikipedia and research all of these Greek Philosophers turned Christian theologians you will find the footnotes will be full of Catholic works expounding these men. The many books and works written by the RCC is astounding and even today they reference them in their works as teaching truth, even though they openly reveal their works to be grounded in Egyptian, Greek & Roman Philosophy.
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if you will notice that when this started happening that the signs, miracles, and wonders were ceasing to exist. Iranaeus and hippolytus who were early church fathers talk about how false doctrine started to get into the church and was corrupting what was the message of the word. if what you say is true and i have no reason to dispute it then these philosophers/scholars could be one of the main reasons for the false teachings. look at the word today? where are are the signs, miracles, and wonders? these should be part of our daily life and not just some random occurrence. where did the saying come from that says healing is not for today or the thinking that the holy spirit is not for this day and age(this is actually being preached)? it happens because people have translated the bible in man's understanding instead of asking God what is meant. we need to get back to what God has for us and get rid of the traditions man has incorporated. i'm not asking where all your beliefs are but only about 8% of christians are willingly and obediently following God no matter what. that is not very good and shows that there are still things we need to do to mature so we can take the necessary steps to be grow where it is needed so we can be used to the utmost by God.
In that case why did you place a "?" in the title of this thread. You should have stated "I know who were the sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6!"My op have made it clear that the sons of God were not fallen angels but neither were they people who were filled with God's spirit as Noah and other men of God were. And by the way, the world is now in the same state as it was when God decided to bring the flood on the Earth.