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Considering the active voice of "I will dip the bread and give it to him that will betray me." This stands out "to dip" into the cup, this bread, I am the bread (come down) ..."for it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. for he that sanctifies, and they who are sanctified are all one; he is not ashamed to call them brothers." I will "dip" this "bread"
Was Jesus Christ only speaking of the action of dipping a literal piece of bread into the cup--or was He speaking (to prophesy) of the action of ...in the same manner also He took the Cup (and drank of it at the time of "Not my will, but Your Will be done Father): "This cup is the New Testament in my blood, shed for you: this do you as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." ..."Take eat, this is my body." dipped in the cup, and broken for you"
...in other places He (the Spirit of God) speaks of whosoever takes of this bread and eats of it unworthily.
1 Corinthians 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. --is this the same as dipping of the bread into the cup and His saying concerning Judas... the one that betrays me...sits at the table with me... I will give unto him this bread that was dipped: the body and the blood of the Lord.
Another reference: For he that eats and drinks unworthily, eats and drinks damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
Revelation 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
"to dip" "and he that ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth... how much lower can He be "dipped" than "in the lower parts of the earth." Yet "He that descended is the same also that ascended up far about all heavens that he (this Bread) might fill all things.
to me "to dip" could be added into the arguments of "sprinkled" or "submerged" in "baptized". Yet to "I will dip this bread" speaks of the New Testament and His body "dipped" lowered into the grave, and resurrected "raised up again."
Did he foretell at the table to them all of the Power of Grace? Looking at 1 Corinthians 15 a few verses that to me, in studying, relates to this topic.
One is: False witness. Or false witnesses. A meaning given to "we are found to be false witnesses of God. Because we testify against God that He raised Christ." By and Through the Grace of God. Whether it was the Father who raised him, or He raised up Himself all =The Grace of God did it. The Power of God. Grace.
did the Grace of God prove to be in vain?.. ..is this to be "false witnesses" against Grace? To speak against Christ being raised up from the dead being to Speak against the Power of Grace? ...in this passage Paul speaks of several things: first that he was the least and NOT FIT to be called an apostle, because Saul Persecuted the Church (Body) of God. to be guilty of taking of that bread dipped into the cup and given. And speaking against it "I was a blasphemer" saying "I, Paul took of it unworthily and was made guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. --but "thanks be to God who called me"?
how can we deny Pauls' wail of "by the Grace of God I am what I am, and....THE GRACE>>>GODS' GRACE towards me did not prove vain. What i hear Paul saying is that even though he persecuted the church, and as much as we would hope to make Paul into someone that just had it going on even way before God intervened by the Power of His Grace towards (a vessel of destruction--not fit) Saul, to declaring God's Mercy on ( a vessel of Mercy) Paul...i hear Paul admittance of be completely in shambles>Revelation 16:6 KJV
[6] For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
standing with those who stoned Stephen, their laying the coats at Sauls feet "Lord you know what I did, how i was there and stood with those who stoned Stephen" ... but By and through THE GRACE OF GOD; HIS GRACE towards Paul proved not in vain. = HIS GRACE, the Power of the Grace of God towards Paul proved be fruitful.
...then Paul goes on all throughout his epistles to speak towards others that what worked Mightily towards him, the Grace of God. Also worked Mightily towards them. Even standing before those who were "enemies" of the cross... How could Paul be so persuaded and so confident in the Grace of God working Mightily towards them? was it something they did to persuade him of the Power of Grace? Or Did Paul fully experience the power of the Grace of God? Even when Paul stood before those awaiting the dead being raised...Paul said (imo)"Open your eyes. You say you are waiting for the dead to be raised. I stand here before you who claim to wait for God to raise up the dead to Life... standing before you all as one dead who now Lives by the Grace of God, indeed raised from the dead!"
in light of all of this, to me, a false witness,
or to be false witnesses of God,
to testify that he raised not up Christ,
that God raises not up the dead in Christ...
is to be a false witness saying His Grace proves to be in vain.
"Impossible" working towards another. To damn one, or to say they are beyond mercy, to boast in their unworthiness...
teachers of grace yet in return to condemn the Grace of God towards another as if God's Grace proves to be in vain.
Yet Paul said, "I labored more than all of them, yet not I but the Grace of God with me." --consider that, when we say God is with us, with me...are we claiming 'the Grace of God with me" is in vain, powerless towards another to raise the dead? Do we testify against the Grace of God as false witnesses of that His Grace... The Grace of God working Mightily saying sometimes the Grace of God prices in vain, and sometimes not in vain... "And they will never be ashamed" ...as Paul testified "I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ" for "I know whom I have believed." …in “I raise the dead” and He whom I have believed .... The Grace of God does not lie and prove in vain.
When do we give false witness, as false witnesses, that The Grace if God proves in vain, without Hope?
Was Jesus Christ only speaking of the action of dipping a literal piece of bread into the cup--or was He speaking (to prophesy) of the action of ...in the same manner also He took the Cup (and drank of it at the time of "Not my will, but Your Will be done Father): "This cup is the New Testament in my blood, shed for you: this do you as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." ..."Take eat, this is my body." dipped in the cup, and broken for you"
...in other places He (the Spirit of God) speaks of whosoever takes of this bread and eats of it unworthily.
1 Corinthians 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. --is this the same as dipping of the bread into the cup and His saying concerning Judas... the one that betrays me...sits at the table with me... I will give unto him this bread that was dipped: the body and the blood of the Lord.
Another reference: For he that eats and drinks unworthily, eats and drinks damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
Revelation 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
"to dip" "and he that ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth... how much lower can He be "dipped" than "in the lower parts of the earth." Yet "He that descended is the same also that ascended up far about all heavens that he (this Bread) might fill all things.
to me "to dip" could be added into the arguments of "sprinkled" or "submerged" in "baptized". Yet to "I will dip this bread" speaks of the New Testament and His body "dipped" lowered into the grave, and resurrected "raised up again."
Did he foretell at the table to them all of the Power of Grace? Looking at 1 Corinthians 15 a few verses that to me, in studying, relates to this topic.
One is: False witness. Or false witnesses. A meaning given to "we are found to be false witnesses of God. Because we testify against God that He raised Christ." By and Through the Grace of God. Whether it was the Father who raised him, or He raised up Himself all =The Grace of God did it. The Power of God. Grace.
did the Grace of God prove to be in vain?.. ..is this to be "false witnesses" against Grace? To speak against Christ being raised up from the dead being to Speak against the Power of Grace? ...in this passage Paul speaks of several things: first that he was the least and NOT FIT to be called an apostle, because Saul Persecuted the Church (Body) of God. to be guilty of taking of that bread dipped into the cup and given. And speaking against it "I was a blasphemer" saying "I, Paul took of it unworthily and was made guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. --but "thanks be to God who called me"?
how can we deny Pauls' wail of "by the Grace of God I am what I am, and....THE GRACE>>>GODS' GRACE towards me did not prove vain. What i hear Paul saying is that even though he persecuted the church, and as much as we would hope to make Paul into someone that just had it going on even way before God intervened by the Power of His Grace towards (a vessel of destruction--not fit) Saul, to declaring God's Mercy on ( a vessel of Mercy) Paul...i hear Paul admittance of be completely in shambles>Revelation 16:6 KJV
[6] For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
standing with those who stoned Stephen, their laying the coats at Sauls feet "Lord you know what I did, how i was there and stood with those who stoned Stephen" ... but By and through THE GRACE OF GOD; HIS GRACE towards Paul proved not in vain. = HIS GRACE, the Power of the Grace of God towards Paul proved be fruitful.
...then Paul goes on all throughout his epistles to speak towards others that what worked Mightily towards him, the Grace of God. Also worked Mightily towards them. Even standing before those who were "enemies" of the cross... How could Paul be so persuaded and so confident in the Grace of God working Mightily towards them? was it something they did to persuade him of the Power of Grace? Or Did Paul fully experience the power of the Grace of God? Even when Paul stood before those awaiting the dead being raised...Paul said (imo)"Open your eyes. You say you are waiting for the dead to be raised. I stand here before you who claim to wait for God to raise up the dead to Life... standing before you all as one dead who now Lives by the Grace of God, indeed raised from the dead!"
in light of all of this, to me, a false witness,
or to be false witnesses of God,
to testify that he raised not up Christ,
that God raises not up the dead in Christ...
is to be a false witness saying His Grace proves to be in vain.
"Impossible" working towards another. To damn one, or to say they are beyond mercy, to boast in their unworthiness...
teachers of grace yet in return to condemn the Grace of God towards another as if God's Grace proves to be in vain.
Yet Paul said, "I labored more than all of them, yet not I but the Grace of God with me." --consider that, when we say God is with us, with me...are we claiming 'the Grace of God with me" is in vain, powerless towards another to raise the dead? Do we testify against the Grace of God as false witnesses of that His Grace... The Grace of God working Mightily saying sometimes the Grace of God prices in vain, and sometimes not in vain... "And they will never be ashamed" ...as Paul testified "I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ" for "I know whom I have believed." …in “I raise the dead” and He whom I have believed .... The Grace of God does not lie and prove in vain.
When do we give false witness, as false witnesses, that The Grace if God proves in vain, without Hope?
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