Who will greet Jesus at His Return?

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ScottA

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In ancient times, when the Israelites first settled into the holy Land, the Lord promised to ‘dwell among them’.

Exodus 29:45-46 I shall dwell in the midst of My people, I shall become their God and by My dwelling among them they will know that I am the Lord their God who brought them out of Egypt.
Revelation 3:20-22 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. 21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 22 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’ ”​
John 17:24Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.​
 

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He leaves heaven and sends His angels to gather the elect. This occurs at the 6th seal as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars.


He does not leave heaven after opening the 6th seal because he is still in heaven to open the 7th seal. The seals are visions, not actions happening when opened.
 

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He does not leave heaven after opening the 6th seal because he is still in heaven to open the 7th seal. The seals are visions, not actions happening when opened.
Oh, I got it. You pick and choose what's real and what you don't want to accept. Just like those crowns that you don't think are crowns. Do you have a short list of the things in the Word that you accept?

I read. Accept what the Word says and that determines my beliefs. It seems you have determined your beliefs before reading then pick and choose what you want to accept so your predetermined beliefs are not affected.
 

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No, you don't get it. Don't like that Christ remains in heaven after opening the 6th seal? You don't understand what the seals even are.
As usual, all empty words with no scriptural support. Just your opinion of what you want to believe and rejection of the Word of God of what you don't want to believe.
 

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As usual, all empty words with no scriptural support. Just your opinion of what you want to believe and rejection of the Word of God of what you don't want to believe.


I see you re still avoiding the fact that Jesus doesn't go any where after opening the 6th seal. You will have to face that before you have any hope of understanding the seals.
 

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I see you re still avoiding the fact that Jesus doesn't go any where after opening the 6th seal. You will have to face that before you have any hope of understanding the seals.
The 6th Seal is Zechariah 14:3-9


3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

The 7th Seal is opened when Jesus is sitting as King on a glorious throne in His Temple in Jerusalem. The 144k are being sealed while the throne and temple are being set up.

The glorified church is with the Lord in Paradise. The Lord is the full Trinity. Jesus is on the earth though setting up Jerusalem. No verse claims Jesus is in heaven at the same time He is on the earth.

Read Revelation 7:15-17 carefully.

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

The Lamb has been with them in Paradise since 30AD. This is not the state after the Second Coming. That is the state of the last 1992+ years.

Revelation 7 cannot contradict Zechariah 14. There can only be one Second Coming. Revelation 19 is not Zechariah 14. Two different circumstances, events, and even locations. Jesus has to set up His throne, before Satan can take over that throne. When the 7th Seal is opened there is silence in Heaven, because all the action is on the earth.

Jesus is seated on the throne in Jerusalem when the 7th Seal is opened. That is when the angels bring the sheep and goats to Jesus. The goats are removed from the now opened, unsealed Lamb's book of life.

Events do happen on earth each time one of the Seals is opened from the Lamb's book of life. They are the only warnings and signs for the thief in the night moment, the 6th Seal being opened.

Why would all this destruction described in 2 Peter 3, happening at the 6th Seal, without Jesus present as a Second Coming? The only time heaven is dissolved and the angels all come to earth is the 6th Seal, and the Second Coming. Everyone on earth is hiding out in caves and under rocks, the rubble of the 6th Seal. The GWT is clearly seen, and they can see the face of God sitting on the throne. The Lamb can be seen, and the Lamb descends to the Mount of Olives. The whole geography of the earth changes at the 6th Seal. No other place in Revelation states this scale of destruction for one event. We are talking about all the mountains on earth moving out of their places, and all the continents moving back into a single continent. Something that some claim, takes billions of years, will happen in hours. You claim it is just a vision of all the future events. That is not how 2 Peter 3 describes this introduction to the Day of the Lord. Of course it will not get better, all the listed events start to happen starting with the first Trumpet.

Yes there are 1 or 2 earthquakes during the next few weeks and months. But 2 Peter 3 happens at the 6th Seal. The angels and Jesus come at the 6th Seal. There is no down and up and back down again. There is not point. If everything changes at the 6th Seal, why wait again for the 7th Seal to complete the descent to the Mount of Olives? Jesus has the Lamb's book of life with Him as the sheep and goats are judged per Matthew 25:31.

This 7 years of AC business from the movies is only a movie script. It does not match any Scripture. The church has already apostasized, several times over. Satan has been working behind the scenes since before Jesus was born. How many people need to see Satan on TV, to reveal how he works? Revelation 13 is when Satan sets up his Babylonian empire, and that is described after the 7th Trumpet has already started to sound. Satan only gets 42 months, no more, and no less.
 

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Why would all this destruction described in 2 Peter 3, happening at the 6th Seal, without Jesus present as a Second Coming?
Because the Sixth Seal is the reset of our civilization, to a similar degree as what happened in the days of Noah.
Jesus is not seen, as He sends His fiery wrath. Psalms 11:4-6, Amos 1
 

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Because the Sixth Seal is the reset of our civilization, to a similar degree as what happened in the days of Noah.
Jesus is not seen, as He sends His fiery wrath. Psalms 11:4-6, Amos 1
That reset is the same event as:

"And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one. All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses. And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited."

God is changing the whole earth around at the 6th Seal. Jesus is on the mount of Olives changing the whole region.

"And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."

"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

"But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

In the 4th Seal there is war, death, plagues, and famine, all humans, destroying each other, 2 billion. Then at the 6th Seal, God changes every thing back to the way it was before the Flood, doing away with all of human division, and the separation of land by God at the time of the Flood. Nations are not done away with, they will just be jumbled up, and have to sort out things in the aftermath. That is why in Revelation 13, Satan has a new set of kingdoms come out of humanity.

Even if mountains moving around is symbolic of nations being rearranged, mountains are natural borders, thus both physical and symbolic of the drastic change at the 6th Seal.
 

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Jesus sending His fiery wrath to change the word, is not the same as the glorious Return, that cames after all the Prophesied things betewwn Rev 7 and Rev 19:10
Of course not. The first coming in the 6th Seal is to remove humanity in the final harvest. The coming in Revelation 19 is to kill the rest of humanity still alive.

The final harvest are the Trumpets and Thunders up until the 7th Trumpet.
 

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Of course not. The first coming in the 6th Seal is to remove humanity in the final harvest. The coming in Revelation 19 is to kill the rest of humanity still alive.
At no time is the entire population of the earth wiped out.
The Sixth Seal will kill billions and the Great Trib plus Armageddon, will totally remove all the ungodly peoples. Those who remain, 1 Thess 4:17, will go with Jesus into the Millennium.
 

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At no time is the entire population of the earth wiped out.
The Sixth Seal will kill billions and the Great Trib plus Armageddon, will totally remove all the ungodly peoples. Those who remain, 1 Thess 4:17, will go with Jesus into the Millennium.


You have one foot in Amill and one in Premill. All the ungodly do not die at the second coming as Amill teaches. Some will be alive to be ruled over by "those who remain" and the resurrected saints.
 

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At no time is the entire population of the earth wiped out.
The Sixth Seal will kill billions and the Great Trib plus Armageddon, will totally remove all the ungodly peoples. Those who remain, 1 Thess 4:17, will go with Jesus into the Millennium.
People in Adam's dead corruptible flesh don't just waltz into the Millennium. They would end up dead, the first time they disobeyed a rule. People in Adam's dead corruptible flesh were born to carry out sin and break the Law. That is their nature.
 

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You have one foot in Amill and one in Premill. All the ungodly do not die at the second coming as Amill teaches. Some will be alive to be ruled over by "those who remain" and the resurrected saints.
I reject Pre-Mill and AMill. They are both false teaching.
Matthew 25:31-33 tells us how the 'goats' - who are obviously the ungodly peoples, will be removed and not allowed in the Millennium Kingdom. I believe they will be killed from all the punishments of The Great Trib, the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls, the last Bowl being Armageddon, which will finally finish off them all. As Romans 9:22 says; They were made for destruction....

With Satan chained in the pit, he won't be able to deceive and fool anybody to commit sin. Only after the thousand years, will Satan be released for a little while. THEN he will seduce many to oppose Jesus, they will all get flash fried and Satan gets a super hot swim. Revelation 20:9-10
 

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I promote the Truth of Bible prophecy.
Even the JW's have somethings right.

Unfortunately, people seem incapable of changing their beliefs and just engage in opposing anything that doesn't fit their paradigm.


And it's always the squeaky wheel that needs the oil :)