Why Christians Call Mary the Mother of God.

[amigo de christo]

God replaced Judas Iscariot with Paul, for the ministry of the twelve apostles. That is completely different from the R.C. doctrine of so-called "apostolic succession", for which is zero scriptural evidence.




In none of these activites does the pastor act as a mediator between God and men, unlike the claimed mediatorial priesthood of Romanism.


This is the usual sophistry. The R.C.'s so-called "priests" act in the place of Christ (i.e. as anti-Christs).


John 20:23 (NASB 1995) If you forgive the sins of any, their sins [a] have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”

[a] John 20:23 i.e. have previously been forgiven

The tense is ambiguous in the unnamed version you've quoted; however, here, it is clear that it is about declaring to those who believe the gospel that their sins have been forgiven; and to the unbelievers that their sins have been retained.



Yes, and...?


We know.


We know.


What does "Vicar of Christ" mean? (N.B. I'm not looking for information, since I already know the answer; I just want to see what you say.)


Only God can forgive sins; but, we can declare that those who have believed the gospel have been forgiven; and that those who don't have not.


Then why do you have a mediatorial priesthood? All Christians are priests unto God. There is no separate priesthood, in the New Covenant.


Answered above (and I note the typically vague and "open to interpretation" wording of your question - "ministerial role in reconciliation").


Answered above.

That catholic gonna tear you up my friend .
God did not replace judas with paul . read again in acts . God chose mathias and he was numbered with the twelve .
You got to expose the RCC itself .
IT is the problem . Peter himself had rebuked every last one of them popes blind as a bat .
Now its true paul himself was also an apostel , guess what else is true
It is written the apostels , plural , barnabas and paul . they were not the original twelve
but in acts its says the apostels , barnabas and paul .
Now as far as cessationsim , It came of the dark one so dont heed it .
BUT DO beware of the nar realm and charasmetic movements . Them folks are blind leading the blind
whose love is money .
We must get in the bible , and do so JUST FOR OURSELVES .
We got a hot mess in christendom and its only spreading itself like a green bray tree .
EVIL has taken over much of christendom and did so by a harlots love .
But this is no ordinary delusion . THIS ONE has come TO MERGE the decieved with the decieved , to make
the decieved as one mind and one heart and they will recieve the just due of their DAMNATION on JESUS day .
Now if that sounds rough and judgmental , ITS NOT . ITS a fact . We got work to do my friend .
And much work we have to do in these last hours . AND they aint gonna love us for our LOVE .
For TRUTH always exposes the darkness and what lies within the darkness . AND MEN LOVE SIN my friend . ITS A Fact .
many do not have the SPIRIT within christendom . No sir they do not . and their fruits and what they love
HAVE PROVED THIS to be very true .

 

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If by "bow down" you mean worship, then no.

Did I say bow and worship? No.
An explaination for what I did not say Not necessary.

Catholics do not worship Mary or statues. If by "bow down" you mean showing reverence while praying, then yes, some Catholics do.

Their prerogative.

No mention of…Worship, Reverence or Prayer. ——>

Lev. 26:
[1] Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

Yes, Catholics ask Mary to intercede for them, but not as someone who stands between them and God in a way that blocks direct access to Him.

Mary’s Body IS Dead.
It is her saved spiritual soul in Heaven.


Deut. 18:
[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
[12] For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

Catholics ask Mary to pray for them in the same way Christians ask friends, family members, pastors, or other believers to pray for them. In fact, Scripture encourages Christians to offer "supplications, prayers, intercessions" for one another (1 Timothy 2:1).

Prayers For the Living BY the Living.
Yes.
Prayers to familiar spirits …
No…
Because that can cause Evil Spirits to answer and fool the person.

FREEWILL … acknowledge warnings or not.

 

[BreadOfLife]

God has a body and soul.
God is called a Spirit. ( and Has Spirits).

God is pure and immaterial SPIRIT. God has a Body – but only because the Son took on flesh and blood at the Incarnation (Luke 1:26-35, John 1:14).

Now, pay attention because THIS is where you get lost:
John 1:14
The Word BECAME flesh and made his dwelling among us.”
Notice how it doesn’t say, “The Word was ALWAYS flesh”??
There ends the lesson for the day . . .

Not a correction FOR me!
Your belief… NOT MINE!
HUMANS ARE, created from dust of the Earth.
God was Not Created!
God Son / WORD…Came forth out of Gods Mouth!
Humans Did Not, Do Not come forth out of Gods Mouth…duh!

Ummm, first of all – CALM down. You’re gonna give yourself an aneurism . . .

Secondly – the Son is ETERNALLY BEGOTTEN of the Father.
YOUR belief that Jesus was ALWAYS flesh and blood is not Biblical. It’s the heresy of Docetism.

Making a Statement of Fact…is NOT claiming a thought For you…nor a lie.
Try harder to hone your Terrible communication skills!

Lies aren’t “Facts” just because m YOU vomit them out, my arrogant friend . . .

Get a grip…
Living human…IS a body with a soul & spirit.
God…IS a Spirit with a body, soul. & spirits.

As the Bible educates – God is Spirit (John 4:24).
But God DOES have a Body – in the distinct Person of Jesus Christ.

That No… denied, limiting Jesus’ “person to Connection to Mary…”
Mary is Irrelevant…
Jesus, is Spirit, with a body & soul, that had nothing to do with Mary.

And if Mary was “irrelevant” – then God would NEVER have bothered with using HER as the instrument by which He entered this world. To Go – she was Kecharitomeme (Luke 1:28). The term is the perfect passive participle, indicates a completed action with a permanent result. So, it translates, “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.”

Pretty powerful description for someone who is “Irrelevant”, Einstein . . .

Gods Word came forth out of Gods Mouth.
God prepared His WORD a Body, humans could SEE,
AND Sent that body to Mary’s Womb
AND once delivered forth … was SEEN by humans…
Not a mystery!

Just as the Eternal GOD is a mystery - t he Incarnation is absolutely a mystery to our limited human understanding, YOUR immense arrogance, notwithstanding . . .

He has always been A Spirit, with a body. With a soul.
The Flesh body God Prepared… did Not MAKE Jesus a “HUMAN MAN”.
It MADE Jesus “appear”… AS A (human) man

Forst of all – Jesus did NOT have a body until the Incarnation (Luke 1:26-35). This is when the Holy Spirit overshadowed May and she became pregnant.

Jesus was bot DIVINE and HUMAN. It wasn’t a disguise or a costume.
THIS is why He referred to Himself as “Son of MAN’, as was prophesied (Dan. 7:13-14).

YOU are deeply mired in the ancient heresy of Dodetism . . .

You claim Jesus was a Human…
You claim God/Father has NO Body…
(your post # 358)

I disagree…

And THIS is why I said you are wrong . . .

And Because your communication skills are terrible,
AND
You Lack Spiritual Understanding, YOU preach Jesus was a HUMAN and God Has NOT A BODY.

Because I'm not drowning in the same Docetist Heresy that YOU ar?

I preach that because the Word of God proclaims it.
Apparently – YOU seem to have missed the memo . . .

Yet Gods, face, Ears, Eyes, Hands, Arms, Feet, Back… for example are expressly revealed in Scripture…..
But; According to you…God has no body
Post #358.

And you appease yourself, for what you lack in understanding That others Have… to Rant… they are Wrong and Liars.

Told you Before… you are not qualified, Nor have I solicited you to be MY Teacher.

The fact that you don’t understand the SYMBOLIC language of Scripture speaks VOLUMES about your inability to understand it.

God’s “physical” attributes described in Scripture are what is known as “Anthropomorphisms”.
Sorry about the big word, but it simply means, relating HUMAN attributes to SPIRITUAL matters.

A prime example of this is when Moses proclaimed –
Exod. 15:8
At the blast of your nostrils the waters piled up; the floods stood up in a heap; the deeps congealed in the heart of the sea.

God doesn’t have “nostrils” – or even a nose, for that matter. The Bibler tells us that God is SPIRIT (John 4:24). THIS is why Scripture proclaims that that –
John 1:18
NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN GOD; God the only Son, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

It is always unpleasant to converse with you about Spiritual Things.

Especially when you’re wrong . . .

 

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God is pure and immaterial SPIRIT. God has a Body –

Only when you say so.

but only because the Son took on flesh and blood at the Incarnation (Luke 1:26-35, John 1:14).

Disagree.
Man is a body.
Man “MADE” in Gods likeness and image.

Now, pay attention because

You are Not qualified to be my teacher.

THIS is where you get lost:

Pffft.

John 1:14
The Word BECAME flesh and made his dwelling among us.”
Notice how it doesn’t say, “The Word was ALWAYS flesh”??
There ends the lesson for the day . . .

Heb. 13:
[8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Ummm, first of all – CALM down. You’re gonna give yourself an aneurism…

Nothing in my comment revealed anything upsetting… stop with your crap.

Secondly – the Son is ETERNALLY BEGOTTEN of the Father.
YOUR belief that Jesus was ALWAYS flesh and blood is not Biblical.

Your gaslighting is boring.
I never said that.

It’s the heresy of Docetism.

Gaslight then disagree with your own words…typical…and unpleasant to converse with you.

Lies aren’t “Facts” just because m YOU vomit them out, my arrogant friend . . .

Not a lie… you are NOT God…
Get over it.

As the Bible educates – God is Spirit (John 4:24).
But God DOES have a Body – in the distinct Person of Jesus Christ.

God has always had a body…
Where were you when God showed Moses HIS BACK…?

And if Mary was “irrelevant” –

Regarding the Lord Jesus’ body, soul, spirit…had nothing to do with Mary’s egg.
Mary’s Part was her ”Agreement” for Jesus to be Placed in her Womb.

Many individual humans have “MADE” “Agreements” with God.

then God would NEVER have bothered with using HER as the instrument by which He entered this world. To Go – she was Kecharitomeme (Luke 1:28). The term is the perfect passive participle, indicates a completed action with a permanent result. So, it translates, “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.”

Pretty powerful description for someone who is “Irrelevant”, Einstein . . .

Just as the Eternal GOD is a mystery - t he Incarnation is absolutely a mystery to our limited human understanding, YOUR immense arrogance, notwithstanding . . .

Yawn with your repetitive, boring, Catholics of old made up nonsense.

Forst of all – Jesus did NOT have a body until the Incarnation (Luke 1:26-35).

Heb 13:
[8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

God doesn’t have “nostrils” – or even a nose, for that matter. The Bibler tells us that God is SPIRIT (John 4:24). THIS is why Scripture proclaims that that –
John 1:18
NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN GOD; God the only Son, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

WOW… pretty bold claim.
But yet God Has a FACE…
And most people would know the nose smells aromas …

Gee….too bad (according to you) God has no nose to smell the aroma of animals burned on the altar in the Temple.
:sad:

Especially when you’re wrong . . .

Pretty confident that comment is befitting you.

 

[David1701]

That catholic gonna tear you up my friend .
God did not replace judas with paul . read again in acts . God chose mathias and he was numbered with the twelve .
You got to expose the RCC itself .
IT is the problem . Peter himself had rebuked every last one of them popes blind as a bat .
Now its true paul himself was also an apostel , guess what else is true
It is written the apostels , plural , barnabas and paul . they were not the original twelve
but in acts its says the apostels , barnabas and paul .
Now as far as cessationsim , It came of the dark one so dont heed it .
BUT DO beware of the nar realm and charasmetic movements . Them folks are blind leading the blind
whose love is money .
We must get in the bible , and do so JUST FOR OURSELVES .
We got a hot mess in christendom and its only spreading itself like a green bray tree .
EVIL has taken over much of christendom and did so by a harlots love .
But this is no ordinary delusion . THIS ONE has come TO MERGE the decieved with the decieved , to make
the decieved as one mind and one heart and they will recieve the just due of their DAMNATION on JESUS day .
Now if that sounds rough and judgmental , ITS NOT . ITS a fact . We got work to do my friend .
And much work we have to do in these last hours . AND they aint gonna love us for our LOVE .
For TRUTH always exposes the darkness and what lies within the darkness . AND MEN LOVE SIN my friend . ITS A Fact .
many do not have the SPIRIT within christendom . No sir they do not . and their fruits and what they love
HAVE PROVED THIS to be very true .

The Bible says that the apostles decided on two people, using their own criteria for who could be an apostle, between whom they gave God the option to choose (that was big of them, wasn't it?). They then used the O.T. method of lots (which ensures that one of them will be chosen, no matter what) and numbered the one on whom the lot fell with the eleven apostles.

Now, not only had the apostles not been told to do the above; but, they had been told to wait until they received power from on high. So, they did something they had not been told to do, using their own (incorrect) criteria; and, in doing so, they were not doing what they had been told to do (wait).

Meanwhile, God chose Paul, using direct contact (as He had with all the original 12). Paul had not followed with the original 12 (in fact, he had persecuted them!), so Paul did not meet the apostles' criteria for an apostle, which just goes to prove that the apostles' criteria were, at least partially, incorrect, and that they should have waited, as God had commanded them.

In light of the above, the evidence for Paul being Judas' replacement is overwhelming.

I'm not a cessationist.

I don't know what "nar realm" is supposed to mean.

Charismatics are simply those who believe that the gifts of the Holy Spirit continue nowadays, but who are not Pentecostals. It is grossly unfair to claim that they all "love money" and are "the blind leading the blind"; although, this is true of some (particularly of the "name-it-and-claim-it" variety).

You have a zeal for God, that is clear; but you need to be accurate and fair in your statements, instead of making sweeping generalisations.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Only when you say so.

No – only when the BIBLE says so.

You are Not qualified to be my teacher.

And THIS is what your entire argument is really about.

So much vanity and arrogance that you couldn’t possibly learn truth from ANYBODY because you refuse to see your errors . . .

Pffft.

GREAT argument . . .

Heb. 13:
[8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

YUP.

Hebrews was written AFTER Jesus returned to the Father Heaven (Yesterday).
He is the SAME Jesus today as He was then (Today).

He will REMAIN the same Forever . . .

Nothing in my comment revealed anything upsetting… stop with your crap.

Now, now - I was just trying to help.
You were going berserk . . .

Your gaslighting is boring.
I never said that.

You’ve been claiming this for the last 3 pages of posts . . .

Gaslight then disagree with your own words…typical…and unpleasant to converse with you.

If you don’t want to be accused of the heresy of Docetism – then stop PREACHING it . . .

Not a lie… you are NOT God…
Get over it.

And once again – I never said I WAS.

Hope it sunk in this time . . .

God has always had a body…
Where were you when God showed Moses HIS BACK…?

I was reading the Bible and discerning between the Literal and the METEPHORICAL.
All TRUE students of Scripture know NOT to take everything in a literal sense.

It is because of this that – unlike YOU – we can see when something is an Anthropomorphism and when it’s NOT . . .

Regarding the Lord Jesus’ body, soul, spirit…had nothing to do with Mary’s egg. Mary’s Part was her ”Agreement” for Jesus to be Placed in her Womb.

I was reading the Bible and discerning between the Literal and the METEPHORICAL.
All TRUE students of Scripture know NOT to take everything in a literal sense.

It is because of this that – unlike YOU – we can see when something is an Anthropomorphism and when it’s NOT . . .

Many individual humans have “MADE” “Agreements” with God.

And yet, NONE of them carried and gave birth to the Man-God (Theanthropos).

Yawn with your repetitive, boring, Catholics of old made up nonsense.

And yet, you haven’t been able to Scripturally-refute me . . .

Heb 13:
[8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

YUP.

And as I already schooled you –
Hebrews was written AFTER Jesus returned to the Father Heaven (Yesterday).
He is the SAME Jesus today as He was then (Today).

WOW… pretty bold claim.
But yet God Has a FACE…
And most people would know the nose smells aromas …

NOT being able to properly divide and discern Scripture is a real Tragedy.
You should pray for humility and wisdom . . .

Pretty confident that comment is befitting you.

NOT being able to properly divide and discern Scripture is a real Tragedy.
You should pray for humility and wisdom . . .

Again – you haven’t Scripturally-refuted anything I’ve taught you . . .

 

[TLHKAJ]

Christians do not call Mary the mother of God.

 

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Again – you haven’t Scripturally-refuted anything I’ve taught you . . .

I Have always been clear with you…
Nothing new…

I disagree with most what you say.

You are unpleasant to have a conversation about Spiritual things.

You are Not my teacher.

Can’t show in Scripture the nonsense you teach.

Your repetitive gaslighting and pretense tactics are old and boring.

Move on and go pretend you are someone else’s’ teacher.