Why Christians Call Mary the Mother of God.

[Moonwood]

Another of wayward word…
Jesus was NOT a Human…
He appeared AS a human man…

Humans come from their habitat… Earth…the Earth is the source of the Minerals / Water required to maintain a Humans Life…

Jesus’ Time on Earth was Not dependent on
Minerals, water, out of the Earth to maintain His Life ON Earth!

He could have walked about the Earth a thousand years and never ate or drank a thing …. He IS the Spiritual Life… regardless of WHAT body humans SAW, that God prepared For Him when He came into this world!

Go ahead, Exercise your FREEWILL to promote, defend, engage to Pray to dead humans and their departed souls and spirits…because apparently Catholic folklore “of they you call on”…supersede Christ Jesus’ intercessory Appointment.

Be Prepared;
The Judge will burn your corrupt works.

1 Tim 2:
[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

I think you're actually proving my point. If Jesus was merely a spirit appearing as a man, then He was not truly human. But Scripture says "the Word became flesh" (John 1:14), not merely that He appeared to be flesh.

Before His incarnation, the Word existed eternally with the Father (John 1:1-2). But when "the Word became flesh" (John 1:14), He did not merely appear as a man or temporarily wear a body. He became truly human.

After His resurrection, Jesus did not say, "I am a spirit appearing as a man." He said, "A spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have" (Luke 24:39). He invited His disciples to touch Him and even ate before them (Luke 24:42-43). Angels may appear in human form, but Jesus explicitly distinguished Himself from a spirit by pointing to His real, resurrected body.

Likewise, Scripture does not say a human son was born and later became God's Son at age 30. The One conceived in Mary's womb was already called "the Son of God" (Luke 1:35). The child born of Mary was not a separate human person who later received divine status.

Romans 1:3-4 distinguishes Christ according to His humanity and according to His divine sonship, but it is speaking of the same Person throughout: "His Son Jesus Christ our Lord."

So the question remains: Who was Mary the mother of? Was it Jesus Christ, the eternal Son who became flesh?

 

[prism]

we got an ecumeincal inclusive fish to expose . and its peace of anti christ plan for world peace .
and that my friend is ALL OVER the realm known as christendom
as well as politics and etc .
The unholy ecumeincal harlot has sold her fathers inclusive cup
unto the tribes of this world and upon all its religions .
To bring them as one to the table of ANTI CHRIST peace .
And now a word .
FOR this cause GOD shall send a strong delusion to beleive a lie
and be damned .
And do notice what this pual wrote in his first letter as well
ON what they would all be chanting as THEIR DAMNATION rains down upon them all . PEACE N SAFETY .
Oh i see a lie thta already has the religions mergeing as one
That says HEY WE ALL serve the same GOD in different ways . SO THE GOSPEL is OMITTTED
for a lie .
AND what does this entity promise them , YE shall have world peace n safety , THIS is the way to attain
PEACE n safety .
NO SIR . its the broad inclusve way to attain THEIR OWN SUDDEN DESTRUcTION BY THE VERY GOD
and HIS CHRIST that their incluisive love and peace DENIED .

Are you a R. Catholic? If so, haven't you lost salvation by speaking out against Mother Church? (Luther did less and they anathematized him).

 

[Dryhn]

A person like ME? Absolutely NOT.
He’s not a Person like YOU, either . . .

We are made in HIS image – NOT the other way around. If WE are persons – it’s because GOD was a Person FIRST.

The Father is a Person.
The Son is a Person.
The Holy Spirit is a Person.

Three Persons – ONE God.
3 WHO's and 1 WHAT . . .

GOD is 3 separate identities, use your time with others

 

[Taken]

I think you're actually proving my point. If Jesus was merely a spirit appearing as a man, then He was not truly human. But Scripture says "the Word became flesh" (John 1:14), not merely that He appeared to be flesh.

Scripture says…
God prepared His Word a body…for a specific time and purpose.

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Scripture Reveals THAT Prepared Body…
Was expressly, in the LIKENESS….”AS” a man.

And was SEEN on Earth BY Human men… in the Likeness “AS, a man.

And was called, BY men on Earth, “a man”…
As men on Earth SAW the BODY God Prepared.

Phil 2:
[8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

“ Calling what IS NOT, AS though IT WAS…is
* For a Humans benefit……
* For humans Who can Not See “Spirits”…
* For humans Who can Not Believe… “without SEEING”

Calling Jesus … a man… is Scriptural
Calling Jesus …a HUMAN Man…is not Scriptural.
Calling an Angel that Appears as a man, “a man” is Scriptural.

God is Spirit.
Jesus Is Spirit.
Angels Are Spirits.
They have the POWER To Appear AS a human man.
That does NOT MAKE THEM HUMAN MEN.
(no more Than a human woman appearing AS a human man… MAKES her a human man
OR
a human man appearing AS a cat… MAKES him a Cat)

He became truly human.

So you say… Scripture Does Not.

Do you ALSO, think when a human man Becomes MADE in Gods “LIKENESS”,
that human man becomes “God”?
… becomes an Angel?

After His resurrection, Jesus did not say, "I am a spirit appearing as a man." He said, "A spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have" (Luke 24:39).

Yes… a Likeness… AS a human.

He invited His disciples to touch Him and even ate before them (Luke 24:42-43). Angels may appear in human form, but Jesus explicitly distinguished Himself from a spirit by pointing to His real, resurrected body.

What “real” Body?
The One God “Prepared” for Him…?
Or the “Real Body..men Did Not see”?

You express having a Very Difficult time of distinguishing the difference between…
The Spiritual and the Natural.

So the question remains: Who was Mary the mother of?

The Son of Man…

Was it Jesus Christ,

The mother of Jesus…the Son of Abraham, Issac, Jacob, David, Joseph of the House of David.

the eternal Son who became flesh?

No. The Eternal Son has no Mother.

 

[Moonwood]

Calling Jesus …a HUMAN Man…is not Scriptural.

You say:

"Jesus was NOT a Human... He appeared AS a human man."

I think this is where our disagreement becomes clear. Scripture nowhere says Jesus merely appeared to be human. Scripture says:

"The Word became flesh" (John 1:14).

Not that the Word appeared as flesh.

You cite Hebrews 10:5:

"A body hast thou prepared me."

I agree completely. But a prepared body is still a real body. Hebrews does not say Christ merely appeared human. It says He came into the world in a body prepared for Him. Likewise, after His resurrection Jesus did not say:

"I am a spirit appearing as a man."

He said:

"A spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have" (Luke 24:39).

He invited His disciples to touch Him and He ate before them (Luke 24:42-43). That sounds very different from an angel merely appearing in human form.

And this brings us back to the original question.

You say Mary was the mother of:

"The Son of Man."

I agree.

But who is the Son of Man?
John says:

"The Word was God" (John 1:1).

and

"The Word became flesh" (John 1:14).

So the Son of Man born of Mary is the same Person who is the eternal Word.

That is why Elizabeth says:

"the mother of my Lord" (Luke 1:43).

And Thomas says to that same Lord:

"My Lord and my God" (John 20:28).

You say:

"The Eternal Son has no Mother."

If by that you mean the divine nature is eternal and was not created by Mary, I completely agree.But the eternal Son did become flesh (John 1:14). Mary did not create the eternal Son. She bore the eternal Son incarnate.

So my question remains:

If the Person born of Mary was the eternal Word made flesh, then who exactly was Mary the mother of?

 

[Marvelloustime]

we got an ecumeincal inclusive fish to expose . and its peace of anti christ plan for world peace .
and that my friend is ALL OVER the realm known as christendom
as well as politics and etc .
The unholy ecumeincal harlot has sold her fathers inclusive cup
unto the tribes of this world and upon all its religions .
To bring them as one to the table of ANTI CHRIST peace .
And now a word .
FOR this cause GOD shall send a strong delusion to beleive a lie
and be damned .
And do notice what this pual wrote in his first letter as well
ON what they would all be chanting as THEIR DAMNATION rains down upon them all . PEACE N SAFETY .
Oh i see a lie thta already has the religions mergeing as one
That says HEY WE ALL serve the same GOD in different ways . SO THE GOSPEL is OMITTTED
for a lie .
AND what does this entity promise them , YE shall have world peace n safety , THIS is the way to attain
PEACE n safety .
NO SIR . its the broad inclusve way to attain THEIR OWN SUDDEN DESTRUcTION BY THE VERY GOD
and HIS CHRIST that their incluisive love and peace DENIED .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

Are you a R. Catholic? If so, haven't you lost salvation by speaking out against Mother Church? (Luther did less and they anathematized him).

No i am not . And no to the other question as well .
One does not lose his or her salvation for warning against that which is highly deceptive .
Institutions can always become corrupted . But the WORD of GOD cannot . Trust thou in JESUS
and be sure its THE JESUS CHRIST and not some other jesus invented of men to please man .
The heavenly kingdom cannot be corrupted . Mother Jerusalem is heavenly
wherein the Temple is God and the Lamb .
God cannot be corrupted nor overcome with evil . man can .
WE must test all who do speak and do so against the holy scriputures my friend .
Leaven has grown wild in many houses in this last hour .

 

[amigo de christo]

Are you a R. Catholic? If so, haven't you lost salvation by speaking out against Mother Church? (Luther did less and they anathematized him).

May we all take heed unto this warning .
Let us heed this next example and not men who cry judge not and name not .
I have this against you , you are ALLOWING that false prophtess to teach and to seduce MY people .
So on that note
GET EVERYONE outta that RCC and anything or one that has to do with ecumeincal inclusivism and world peace .
In fact flee the nar realm and those money lovers who have sold out the flocks .

 

[prism]

No i am not . And no to the other question as well .
One does not lose his or her salvation for warning against that which is highly deceptive .
Institutions can always become corrupted . But the WORD of GOD cannot . Trust thou in JESUS
and be sure its THE JESUS CHRIST and not some other jesus invented of men to please man .
The heavenly kingdom cannot be corrupted . Mother Jerusalem is heavenly
wherein the Temple is God and the Lamb .
God cannot be corrupted nor overcome with evil . man can .
WE must test all who do speak and do so against the holy scriputures my friend .
Leaven has grown wild in many houses in this last hour .

Not Catholic? So where in the denominational spectrum are you? Or at least what is the closest to your beliefs?

 

[amigo de christo]

Not Catholic? So where in the denominational spectrum are you? Or at least what is the closest to your beliefs?

I beleive its about HIGH TIME for every man and woman to get into the bible
and read for themselves . Rather than letting men who always say LEST YE SIT UNDER US
or know greek , or call yourself catholic or protestant or etc , YE cannot learn the bible for you .
THEY are so full of dung . and believe me when i say dung was not the first four letter word to pop into my mind .
However seeing dung sums up that word i shall , as paul did use the word dung and not the other four letter word .
You people wont learn the bible for yourselves . ya sit under leaders and etc
but if only ye had spent the time reading and enjoying it for yourselves .
And no sir i am not against teachers .
BUT i am against any teacher that says ONE cannot read and learn that bible for themselves lest ye sit under them
or their greek or whatever scholar they use .

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL… you never cease to twist words.
They communicated With Jesus.
They observed two figures.
They did Not (Regard) Speak to Them Moses or Elias.

Matt. 17:4
Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”

Soooo, Moses and Elijah went DEAF during Peter’s statement?

Do you think you are Praying TO Mary’s Dead Body…
OR
her spirit that is familiar to you?

Nobody prays to Mary’s dead body. You see – as Christians, we believe that the soul lives on AFTER the body dies.

Didn’t you know this?

Part of your boring Tactics…
Making a long list of what does not apply…waste of time!

A “long list of what does NOT apply”??
Either you have a really bad memory – or you’re just a LIAR . . .

Ummmm, it was YOU who falsely accused Catholics of seeking intercessory prayer from those in Heaven because of the Biblical prohibitions against “Necromancy”. This nonsense led me to list the actual verses from the Mosaic Law indicating what Necromancy actually IS – which has NOTHING to do with intercessory prayer.

If you’re embarrassed because your lies were exposed – fine.
But don’t ADD to your lies . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

GOD is 3 separate identities, use your time with others

He’s not 3 entities . . .
He’s ONE in Being, manifested in Three distinct Persons . . .

The Father is God
Eph. 4:6, Psalm 68:5, Mal. 2:10, 2 Cor. 1:3-4, John 3:16, John 8:41, 1 Thess. 3:13

The Son is God
Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6, Matt. 4:7, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 14:9, John 20:28, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Titus 2:13, Rev. 22:13

The Holy Spirit is God
John 14:16-18, Luke 12:10, 2 Cor. 3:17, 2 Cor. 13:5, John 14:23, Acts 5:3-4

 

[Taken]

Soooo, Moses and Elijah went DEAF during Peter’s statement?

The departed did not speak to the living.

Nobody prays to Mary’s dead body. You see – as Christians, we believe that the soul lives on AFTER the body dies.

Aware you, your Church members think you communicate with the departed.

Ummmm, it was YOU who falsely accused Catholics of seeking intercessory prayer

Nope. Acknowledge you do.

Biblical prohibitions against “Necromancy”.

Yup… and familiar spirits.

This nonsense led me to list the actual verses from the Mosaic Law indicating what Necromancy actually IS –

You picked necromancy to blather about.

which has NOTHING to do with intercessory prayer.

So. Never said it did.

If you’re embarrassed because your lies were exposed – fine.
But don’t ADD to your lies . . .

Nothing new gaslighter.

 

[Marvelloustime]

I beleive its about HIGH TIME for every man and woman to get into the bible
and read for themselves . Rather than letting men who always say LEST YE SIT UNDER US
or know greek , or call yourself catholic or protestant or etc , YE cannot learn the bible for you .
THEY are so full of dung . and believe me when i say dung was not the first four letter word to pop into my mind .
However seeing dung sums up that word i shall , as paul did use the word dung and not the other four letter word .
You people wont learn the bible for yourselves . ya sit under leaders and etc
but if only ye had spent the time reading and enjoying it for yourselves .
And no sir i am not against teachers .
BUT i am against any teacher that says ONE cannot read and learn that bible for themselves lest ye sit under them
or their greek or whatever scholar they use .

@amigo de christo

 

[Taken]

GOD is 3 separate identities.

Son, Father, Holy Spirit
Lord God Almighty

He’s not 3 entities

Gaslighter.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The departed did not speak to the living.

Sooo, Jesus was DEAD at the Transfiguration??
YOU need some intense Bible Study . . .

Aware you, your Church members think you communicate with the departed.

Yup – just NOT with their dead bodies.
It’s a shame that YOU’VE decided to kick them OUT of the Body oof Christ.

Good luck with that . . .

Nope. Acknowledge you do.

As usual - you edited my response because I caught you red-handed speaking falsehoods . . .

What I said was:
“Ummmm, it was YOU who falsely accused Catholics of seeking intercessory prayer from those in Heaven because of the Biblical prohibitions against “Necromancy”.

Nice TRY . . .

Yup… and familiar spirits.

No - just necromamncy, soothsaying, mediumc, fortune-tellers, etc .
I'm embarrassed for you . . .

You picked necromancy to blather about.

No – the BIBLE did.
THAT is what is forbidden.

Asking fellow members of the Body of Crist to pray for us is encouraged . . .

So. Never said it did.

You absolutely did.
Let’s review . . .

On the subject of asking for intercessory prayer from saints in Heaven – YOU stated the following . . .
“Why they Teach That, when Scripture Doesn’t.”

“YOU calling out To the departed…Is the no, no, no, no Scripture Teaches!!!
WHAT Is The Consequence God warned For calling on the Departed!”

“Good grief…Do you really NOT comprehend… the crux?”
“COMMUNICATION…”

Calling out to spirits of the departed for the purpose of gleaning information from them is necromancy
ASKING them for prayerful intercession is NOT forbidden.

Homework, son – do your homework . . .

Nothing new gaslighter.

Yes – everybody who proves you WRONG is a “gaslighter” . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Gaslighter.

 

[Taken]

Sooo, Jesus was DEAD at the Transfiguration??

Another of your boring Tactics…
Your statement “posing” as a question.

It’s a shame that YOU’VE decided to kick them OUT of the Body oof Christ.

Another of your boring Tactics…
Gaslighting

Good luck with that . . .

Secular …. Wish
Spiritual … disagreement

As usual - you edited my response

Your off point blathering printed once is more than enough…

because I caught you red-handed speaking falsehoods . . .

I suspect it lonely for you being the only one to stroke your ego.

What I said was:
“Ummmm, it was YOU who falsely accused Catholics of seeking intercessory prayer from those in Heaven because of the Biblical prohibitions against “Necromancy”.

Acknowledged you landed on necromancy…
Instead of…a consulter of familiar spirits…

Nice TRY . . .

No - just necromamncy, soothsaying, mediumc, fortune-tellers, etc .
I'm embarrassed for you . . .

Aw, when you have so much of your own Tactics to satisfy your embarrassment.

Asking fellow members of the Body of Crist to pray for us is encouraged . . .

God established an intercessor for the mortally Living Saints… to Hear their prayers…
His Name is Jesus…
His Title is Christ…

God established holy angels to Deliver the Prayers of the saints to God.
One is Named is Raphael…
His Description is one of the seven holy angels of The Lord…

Yes – everybody who proves you WRONG is a “gaslighter” . . .

:sad: get a dictionary

 

[beechan]

.

Biblical prohibitions against “Necromancy”.

Yup… and familiar spirits.

Necromancy is talking to spirits of the dead, and they are in the underworld.
Catholics praying with saints. They are in heaven.

Saints and spirits of necromancy are not similar.

 

[Taken]

Necromancy is talking to spirits of the dead, and they are in the underworld.
Catholics praying with saints. They are in heaven.

Saints and spirits of necromancy are not similar.

Necromancy …was BOL’s point at length talk about, not mine.