Why did Jesus pray to himself?

[MatthewG]

Bye now. Thank you for your attention.

 

[Jack]

Bye now. Thank you for your attention.

When people attack God of the Bible and the CYB Statement of Faith, it gets my attention

 

[Wrangler]

Lord and God are used interchangeably throughout scripture.

You are right about long drawn out debates and this is incorrect, a false trinitarian claim. What is interchangeable is capital-LORD with God in Scripture. There are dozens of lowercase lord's and Jesus is one.

Also, there are times the LORD God is referred to as a lord but that is only confusing if you want it to be. The use of the word "lord" might be like our use of the word sir, denoting respect for the person's position and authority. It doesn't mean there is only one "sir" on Earth. 1 COR 8:6 is a hierarchical expression with nothing mystical or contradictory about it, like saying for us there is one President, one Governor and one Mayor.

 

[Wrangler]

Does that include the trinity box?

I'm not sure why you would say that. Why are you always so rude?

I'm not sure why you reply to a question with a question rather than simply answer the yes or no question.

There is nothing rude about the question one little bit. That you are so easily offended reveals pride. Jesus didn't get offended. Jesus didn't call people rude. The question exposes the fallacy of your claim. You are putting God in a box and don't want to admit it. Otherwise, you would have just answered yes or no.

 

[Wrangler]

Who do you say He is?

Like @MatthewG, I just go by what Scripture actually teaches. Every Gospel teaches the same thing - and only this thing about who Jesus is. All the Gospels proclaim Jesus is God’s Anointed. None teach Jesus is YHWH incarnate.

• Matthew 1:1 (VOICE) This is the family history, the genealogy, of Jesus the Anointed, the coming King.
• Mark 1:1 (VOICE). This is the beginning of the good news of Jesus, the Anointed One, the Liberating King, the Son of God.
• Luke 1:4 I want you to know that you can fully rely on the things you have been taught about Jesus, God’s Anointed One.
• John 20:31 (VOICE). These accounts are recorded so that you, too, might believe that Jesus is the Anointed, the Liberating King, the Son of God, because believing grants you the life He came to share.

I suggest you read Deuteronomy 18:15-18 to better understand who this Anointed One is in what Philip referred to when he found Nathanael and said to him, “We have found the one who Moses wrote about in the Law, and so did the prophets: Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.” John 1:45.

 

[Wrangler]

Yahava isn't even in the Complete Jewish Bible!

I have the CJB. The word is Yeshua. (I don't know where Yahava comes from. Is that Aramaic?)

 

[Lambano]

I have the CJB. The word is Yeshua. (I don't know where Yahava comes from. Is that Aramaic?)

It is a non-standard pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton. I have seen videos of at least one internet "influencer" (read "cult leader") using it.

 

[MatthewG]

You got YHWH and you got YHVH. Pick one.

Either way. Do you use the name of God daily in your life or do you just say Father or God?

Jesus proclaimed the name of his father, and JEsus name is not Jesus its Yeshua...

So like... seems the bible is a bit off in the english sometimes.

I dont know its none of my business.

The Name of God — Yahavah (YHVH)​

In the Hebrew Bible, the personal name of God is YHVH (יהוה), also spelled Yahavah or Yahweh. It is the Tetragrammaton — the four Hebrew letters יְהוָה (yod, he, vav, he) — and is considered the “self‑existent” or “eternal” name of the God of Israel Bible Hub+1.




I take it Yahavah means the God of life. Every living creature breaths and says his name without even knowing it. Because you breath in life and exhale life.

 

[MatthewG]

You got YHWH and you got YHVH. Pick one.

Either way. Do you use the name of God daily in your life or do you just say Father or God?

Jesus proclaimed the name of his father, and JEsus name is not Jesus its Yeshua...

So like... seems the bible is a bit off in the english sometimes.

I dont know its none of my business.

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The Name of God — Yahavah (YHVH)​

In the Hebrew Bible, the personal name of God is YHVH (יהוה), also spelled Yahavah or Yahweh. It is the Tetragrammaton — the four Hebrew letters יְהוָה (yod, he, vav, he) — and is considered the “self‑existent” or “eternal” name of the God of Israel Bible Hub+1.




I take it Yahavah means the God of life. Every living creature breaths and says his name without even knowing it.

but people judge and condmen and say no you can use that you're wrong matthew, you just wrong!


But thats fine i rather be wrong than right sometimes.

 

[Grailhunter]

Did someone ring that anti trin bell in your ear again? Look- I tend to avoid these drawn out anti trin threads

Just so you know.....I am not anti trinity. I just go with its original meaning.....Tri-unity not Trione.
Long before the Catholics the term Trinity was coined, but it meant 3 Gods united, or Tri-unity.
The Gods did not fall into a cosmic blender until the Catholics.
The miracle of the Trinity is the power of false beliefs.

 

[Hillsage]

Exactly what do you think these verses mean?

As I told @PS95, I really don't want to deal with anyone else. I'm not trying to offend anyone as being unworthy of my response. I appreciate PS95 admitting he was tired last night and has to reread it today before responding. It is not an easy topic and hopefully if PS95 and I dialogue, your question will be answered.

 

[Grailhunter]

yet for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. 1 Cor 8:6

Brings up a good topic......Several times the Apostles refer to Yahweh as a God and Yeshua as a Lord. One God plus one Lord? What do they mean by this? They could have said there is only one God the Father and Son. Interesting that they called Yahweh.....God the Father but used Christ's name. Probably an old Jewish belief that Yahweh was so Holy that they were not allowed to write or say His name......but then they used Christ's name. Which would seem to suggest a higher reverence to Yahweh.

This verse also says.....from whom all things, and we exist for Him and by Jesus whom are all things. and we exist through Him. So what does this mean? Some might say it means that Yeshua created us for Yahweh.
What does through mean in the Greek?

Meaning of "through" in Ancient Greek​

In Ancient Greek, the word for "through" is the preposition διά (dia)
Basic meaning and usage

• Primary sense: through — indicating movement or passage from one place to another, or across a space or time.
• Extended senses: by, on account of, because of, for the sake of, throughout, completely
• It can denote physical passage (e.g., διὰ τῆς θύρας — “through the door”), causal connection (e.g., διὰ τῆς πίστεως — “through faith”), or extent (e.g., διὰ πάντα — “through all”).

How does this word fit into this verse? on account of, because of, for the sake of, throughout, completely

Looking at the original text.....
to us one God the Father of whom the things all and we for him and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom the things all and we by Him.
Well this clears one thing up, the Greek word for through is not in this scripture.
We still have Yahweh referred to as God and Yeshua referred to as Lord.
I do not think it clears up who is the creator.
The only thing this verse suggests, this and other scriptures, is that there is a difference between Yahweh and Yeshua and Yahweh is senior. It also indicates the position of God is Yahweh's alone. But since Yeshua is a God, their intent was probably to define Yahweh as God supreme. What it does not say.....there is only one God, Yahweh and Yeshua.

 

[Grailhunter]

As I told @PS95, I really don't want to deal with anyone else. I'm not trying to offend anyone as being unworthy of my response. I appreciate PS95 admitting he was tired last night and has to reread it today before responding. It is not an easy topic and hopefully if PS95 and I dialogue, your question will be answered.

No offence taken. It is a discussion.

 

[NayborBear]

Does that include the trinity box?

No? The "box" if you will, comes "in play" (if you will), to and for those who seek to, and limit GOD the Father who CHOOSE to believe that "GOD is Love and Forgiveness", and "ONLY LOVE and Forgiveness!" (GOD FORBID!)
And in so doing are LIMITING GOD form ALL that GOD DOES!
Which is WHAT?
HE sure doesn't do things for MAN KINDS pleasure does HE? (insert GOD FORBID here)....As SOME choose to believe!
HE does it for HIS GOOD PLEASURE!

A little word for the "buttercups" in the audience is warranted here.
Best "Buckle Up!" Because "things" are gonna (how can I say) "GET WESTERN!"
As according to this:
Ezekiel 13:
14 So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

In ACCOMPLISHING HIS exposing of THIS?:
2 Thessalonians 2:4

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Which is taking place....Even as we "cuss and discuss" (how can I say) "Matters!"
Showing His EXTREME DISPLEASURE to even those who would "confine" HIM in a box!

As much as "time marches on?" And Cultures and (how can I say) "Creature Comforts" change?
One THING that HASN'T changed since the "fall" of mankind?
Is "Man Kinds NATURE!

TRY as hard as "man" struggles to keep forcing GOD to CONFORM HIM to an "IMAGE" worthy of "High-Minded" man to worship and serve?

Well? THIS is what's going to transpire!:
Isaiah 28:
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

 

[NayborBear]

to us one God the Father of whom the things all and we for him and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom the things all and we by Him.

(I realize that my post, or points may sound "dull" or "bore" you?)
But allow me, if you will, in an "attempt" to enlighten, or perhaps even "Stir a Remembrance" in you and/or other readers in the audience.

In order to "understand" this verse?
One HAS to go back to a "PREVIOUS Slice of eternity!" Where the "Lamb that was slain FROM the FOUNDATION of "the World?" (Meaning THIS CURRENT "SLICE of ETERNITY")
As was Revealed TO John in the Revelation?
There IS MORE "slices of Eternity" in coming!
So? One's CHOOSING to believe that this current "World and Heaven AGE (slice of eternity)?" Is the "FIRST?" And there WAS none other PRIOR?
Is and sounds "Pretty Preposterous!"
Doesn't it?
ESPECIALLY in the LIGHT of this!:
Psalms 110:
4 The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

And this!:
1 Peter 2:
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

This "Holy Priesthood" sounds "STRIKINGLY FAMILIAR" concerning "the order of Melchizedek" to me!
Does it to you? (still sounds pretty dull eh?)
I also realize that this "attempted teaching" may go quite contrary to the level/s of "spiritual indoctrination" offered in those "schools of Higher Biblical Constructs" where teachings are confined to the 3rd or 4th grade level!
Where the Great Commission teaching CEASES after "conversion!" Save for the further and fairly futile endeavors of creating what is generally referred to as "Cookie Cutter Christians!" aka "Stony Grounded" that WITHER when the HEAT gets turned up!

Because there's THIS!:
Hebrews 6:1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection (Spiritual Completeness); not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

I could also explain that GOD is so VERY WISE that HE can (kinda hard to explain..but give it my best shot here) HE makes for us a "Connect the dots" picture where at each (how can I say) "stage(?)" of one's spiritual growth, the "dots connected" form a fairly comprehensive picture!
However? The further down the "road" towards the "STRAIT GATE" one goes (should one even choose to go)?
One "sees' there are "MORE Dots" that can be connected! Which reveals even a "LARGER" picture! Although "seen" by you?
One has a very hard time in convincing those that are quite satisfied and happy they have the "complete" picture that these "other dots?"
Are just a "Figmantation of YOUR Imagine!"
Probably exactly what your choosing to think about this post too!
Eh?
Romans 11:5
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Just "connecting dots" here!

Another "dot" I'd like to connect, is this "Order of Melchizedek?" IMPLIES a "Brotherhood of FOREVER PRIESTS!"
(think of the "other" son in the Prodigal Son parable, and "SELAH" as to where YOU are in conjunction with him!)

Now? SOMEBODY NEEDED to hear this!
Was it YOU?
Maybe SO?
Maybe NO!

 

[Taken]

But God is Jesus and Jesus is God. They are one-in-the-same. or so I'm told. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are both just God putting on a different outfit, so to speak. All three have eternally existed because, after all, all three are actually God. At least this is what most Christians teach.

So my question again is, why did God pray to himself?

Because He IS His own counselor.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Just so you know.....I am not anti trinity. I just go with its original meaning.....Tri-unity not Trione.
Long before the Catholics the term Trinity was coined, but it meant 3 Gods united, or Tri-unity.


“The Gods did not fall into a cosmic blender until the Catholics.”

LOL.

I was not taught by the Catholics.
I DO, find in Scripture … the Spectrum…
Of TRI -UNIT…

Regarding God and Regarding Man/kind CREATED and MADE in Gods Likeness…

One God…is 3 Gods? No
One man…is 3 men? No

Rather … God Himself and man himself…
Have MULTIPLE;
Roles
Names
Titles
Tasks
And such.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

Because He IS His own counselor.

This is a good point. Psalm 82 and 1 Kings 22:22 talks of the council and other places as well. This seems to be downplayed nowadays.

 

[PS95]

You are right about long drawn out debates and this is incorrect, a false trinitarian claim. What is interchangeable is capital-LORD with God in Scripture. There are dozens of lowercase lord's and Jesus is one.

Also, there are times the LORD God is referred to as a lord but that is only confusing if you want it to be. The use of the word "lord" might be like our use of the word sir, denoting respect for the person's position and authority. It doesn't mean there is only one "sir" on Earth. 1 COR 8:6 is a hierarchical expression with nothing mystical or contradictory about it, like saying for us there is one President, one Governor and one Mayor.

Wrangler- geez This is your reply to what I wrote to you?? God and Lord are titles. The Father is called God and Lord and the Son is called God and Lord in the scriptures and you deny that? Baloney. lol
Of course there are many lords and many gods- That is THE POINT Paul was making, You are applying this unevenly, biased and convoluted. Jesus is never called God? Really? The Father is indeed called, the Lord in Rev 11:15- It does not just mean "sir" there. haha
I know more about the tetragrammaton than you can even imagine. Cut me a break here. This is Jw circular reasoning and it is a waste of time. I'm not going to sit here and list all of the those for you. Do your homework before you spout.
We have ONE God and ONE Lord. as Paul wrote -----You have a one God and a one of many lords and little gods.---

Please stop dividing my replies into up chopped segments. that's how you quote the scriptures too.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

No, He Did Not pray to Himself! And, FurtherMoreOver:

If, as Many 'claim', The LORD Jesus Christ Is Not The Almighty God,
then we have yet Another Pertinent Bible Question for All critics:

Who, Exactly Is "The God" Who Sits On The Great White Throne, When:

Three Books Are Opened At This Judgment!?​