WHY DID JESUS SAY NOT TO MAKE HIM KNOWN?

[Doug]

[Mat 16:20 KJV] 20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

Why did Jesus charge his disciples to tell no one that he was Christ?

[Act 13:27 KJV] 27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled [them] in condemning [him].

There is no clear answer in scripture that I know of, but in the verse above we are told that the rulers of Israel did not know Jesus was Christ. The prophets foretold the sufferings, the death, and the resurrection of Christ Jesus. The prophets were read every sabbath day, but yet they didn't comprehend scripture to recognize him.

[Mat 17:9 KJV] 9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

When Jesus was transfigured, he charged his disciples to tell no one of the vision until he was risen.

[Luk 24:44 KJV] 44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.

It could be he didn't want to be known until all things were fulfilled in scripture.

[1Co 2:7-8 KJV] 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

If the rulers in Acts 13:27 knew by the scriptures who he was, they would not have crucified him.

The mystery that Paul speaks of in the above verse was not found in the law and the prophets, so they could not know what God purposed by the cross.

[Luk 18:31-34 KJV] 31 Then he took [unto him] the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. 32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: 33 And they shall scourge [him], and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. 34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

The prophetic scriptures that foretold his death and resurrection were hid from the disciples. Could the scriptures have been hid from Israel's rulers as well?

 

[ScottA]

[Mat 16:20 KJV] 20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

Why did Jesus charge his disciples to tell no one that he was Christ?

[Act 13:27 KJV] 27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled [them] in condemning [him].

There is no clear answer in scripture that I know of, but in the verse above we are told that the rulers of Israel did not know Jesus was Christ. The prophets foretold the sufferings, the death, and the resurrection of Christ Jesus. The prophets were read every sabbath day, but yet they didn't comprehend scripture to recognize him.

[Mat 17:9 KJV] 9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

When Jesus was transfigured, he charged his disciples to tell no one of the vision until he was risen.

[Luk 24:44 KJV] 44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.

It could be he didn't want to be known until all things were fulfilled in scripture.

[1Co 2:7-8 KJV] 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

If the rulers in Acts 13:27 knew by the scriptures who he was, they would not have crucified him.

The mystery that Paul speaks of in the above verse was not found in the law and the prophets, so they could not know what God purposed by the cross.

[Luk 18:31-34 KJV] 31 Then he took [unto him] the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. 32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: 33 And they shall scourge [him], and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. 34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

The prophetic scriptures that foretold his death and resurrection were hid from the disciples. Could the scriptures have been hid from Israel's rulers as well?

The reason is that "today, tomorrow...and the third day"--the three days of Christ (Luke 13:32), was a summary of all time from the beginning to the end, and also a foreshadowing of what was to come.

"Today" was unto the house of Israel; "tomorrow" was and is unto the gentiles; and "the third day" is unto God. "First to the Jew, and also to the Greek (gentiles).​

Therefore, during that first day ("today") Jesus gave word not to tell those of Israel who He was, for their times were of "the natural" ("and afterward the spiritual"). "However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual" (1 Corinthians 15:46). And the spiritual was and is unto the gentiles, and unto God, for "God is spirit". For which He also said, "So the last will be first, and the first last" (Matthew 20:16).

As a foreshadowing of things to come--even among the gentiles, many among the church would also not know that the coming of the Spirit was and is His return. Of which they too were not to be told until the times were fulfilled. This is that time.

 

[PS95]

[Mat 16:20 KJV] 20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

Why did Jesus charge his disciples to tell no one that he was Christ?

[Act 13:27 KJV] 27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled [them] in condemning [him].

There is no clear answer in scripture that I know of, but in the verse above we are told that the rulers of Israel did not know Jesus was Christ. The prophets foretold the sufferings, the death, and the resurrection of Christ Jesus. The prophets were read every sabbath day, but yet they didn't comprehend scripture to recognize him.

[Mat 17:9 KJV] 9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

When Jesus was transfigured, he charged his disciples to tell no one of the vision until he was risen.

[Luk 24:44 KJV] 44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.

It could be he didn't want to be known until all things were fulfilled in scripture.

[1Co 2:7-8 KJV] 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

If the rulers in Acts 13:27 knew by the scriptures who he was, they would not have crucified him.

The mystery that Paul speaks of in the above verse was not found in the law and the prophets, so they could not know what God purposed by the cross.

[Luk 18:31-34 KJV] 31 Then he took [unto him] the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. 32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: 33 And they shall scourge [him], and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. 34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

The prophetic scriptures that foretold his death and resurrection were hid from the disciples. Could the scriptures have been hid from Israel's rulers as well?

I've always thought that if he was made known early they would have killed Him. His time had not come yet for that. Once he was made known, they did kill Him.

 

[Muna]

This is what I have on this,

Doug ever notice the similarlity between the mount with Moses (where Moses was shown a pattern to build the tabernacle) and how Peter responds to what he was shown on the mount?

Because out of seemingly nowhere Peter starts asking about building tabernacles according to what was being shown him/them on the mount with Jesus.

For example

Moses

Exodus 24:16 And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud.

As it was later spoken concerning the building of the tabernacle

Exodus 25:40 And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount.

Jesus likewise with his disciples

Mark 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

Mark 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

Whereas of Moses in the law it says,

Hebrews 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Now when the disciples are being shown some things on this mount and Moses and Elias appeared with him

Peter appears to reccognize this as some sort of experience for the possibility of building tabernacles ( according to what he is being shown on this mount)

Mark 9:5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

And not just one tabernacle, but three of them

And as God called out unto Moses from the midst of the cloud on the mount,

There come a voice out of the same here to them

Mark 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

And because we are told that

Hebrews 3:5 Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after

Okay, so Moses was for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after

For whom, Jesus Christ

Mark 9:8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.

Because this would be a tabernacle the Lord (who is now raised from the dead) would pitch (and not man)

Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Hebrews 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

After the vision they saw of Moses and Elijah (who I would regard as the vision of all, or the law and the prophets) which spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. Which he did (and entered his glory) Now knowing we have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

They still did not know what to make of it and Jesus says again to them

Luke 9:44 Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men.

Luke 9:45 But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.

This was what was hid from them

Then after he arose from the dead he reproves them again beginning at Moses concerning these things

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

So he says

Matt 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

Because it says,

Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

And so wait until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

Which vision includes what Peter later tells us after he arose from the dead here

2 Peter 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2 Peter 1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

Luke 9:45 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

Mark 9:8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.

Similarly pointing the same thing out here

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds

So God says, This is my beloved Son: hear him. And they no longer see Moses and Elias

Jesus said, "Moses wrote of me" the Son of God is come, Moses being a servant for a testimony of things that were to be spoken after, and God has spoken by the Son.

When Jesus was raised from the dead is where he is also where he declares the decree concerning the Son of God by His resurection (Psalm 2:7, Acts 13:33, Romans 1:4, Heb 5:5 just to name a few)

And so now we could say,

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested,
being witnessed by the law and the prophets (See also Luke 16:16)

For through the law come the knowledge of sin

Jesus is the lamb which takes away the sin of the world

2 Cr 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Might be getting a tad bit long, but thats how I am catching these things speaking .

 

[MatthewG]

I've always thought that if he was made known early they would have killed Him. His time had not come yet for that. Once he was made known, they did kill Him.

Same, thing that I think.

 

[Doug]

I've always thought that if he was made known early they would have killed Him. His time had not come yet for that. Once he was made known, they did kill Him.

Jesus was in total control of when he would die.........it was however determined by him to be when all scripture about him was fulfilled

 

[Webers_Home]

Mat 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the
Christ. Why did Jesus charge his disciples to tell no one that he was Christ?

From what I gather, the timing of that particular announcement was
important to Jesus' safety and the completion of his ministry. Were he to
claim his status too early on, Jesus' enemies might've crucified him before
God had everything all set in place and ready to go.

* I was brought up in a religion that emphasized Jesus was a victim of
unfortunate circumstances. I had no clue whatsoever that he was designated
and scheduled for the cross even before construction of the cosmos was
begun. (1Pet 1:20 & Rev 13:8)
_

 

[Doug]

From what I gather, the timing of that particular announcement was
important to Jesus' safety and the completion of his ministry. Were he to
claim his status too early on, Jesus' enemies might've crucified him before
God had everything all set in place and ready to go.

* I was brought up in a religion that emphasized Jesus was a victim of
unfortunate circumstances. I had no clue whatsoever that he was designated
and scheduled for the cross even before construction of the cosmos was
begun. (1Pet 1:20 & Rev 13:8)
_

I dont know if I can express it properly........ Jesus was in total control of all that occurred. Before his death on the cross, he would fulfill all that was written of him......the rulers didnt know who he was in spite of the scriptures describing his death and resurrection.......he prohibited his disciples to make him known to the rulers

 

[PS95]

Jesus was in total control of when he would die.........it was however determined by him to be when all scripture about him was fulfilled

My point is- He had a ministry to fulfill. Had they known beforehand they would have tried to make that more difficult. We know that Jesus knew ultimately what they would do, but He also knew they would have been a hindrance to His ministry - which is the only reason why He didn't want them to know. I assumed you knew what I was referring to..

 

[Doug]

My point is- He had a ministry to fulfill. Had they known beforehand they would have tried to make that more difficult. We know that Jesus knew ultimately what they would do, but He also knew they would have been a hindrance to His ministry - which is the only reason why He didn't want them to know. I assumed you knew what I was referring to..

I dont see that

[Mar 15:10 KJV] 10 For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy.

The rulers saw the miracles, they envied him

 

[Webers_Home]

I've always thought that if he was made known early they would have killed Him.

It's also quite possible that God would've been forced to take appropriate
steps to keep Jesus' enemies out of his way; which would've resulted in a
number of preventable deaths and crippling injuries.
_

 

[Lambano]

[Mat 16:20 KJV] 20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

Why did Jesus charge his disciples to tell no one that he was Christ?

Knowing human nature, He knew that if He told them not to do something, they would be much more inclined to do it anyway.

 

[Hiddenthings]

The reason is that "today, tomorrow...and the third day"--the three days of Christ (Luke 13:32), was a summary of all time from the beginning to the end, and also a foreshadowing of what was to come.

"Today" was unto the house of Israel; "tomorrow" was and is unto the gentiles; and "the third day" is unto God. "First to the Jew, and also to the Greek (gentiles).​

Therefore, during that first day ("today") Jesus gave word not to tell those of Israel who He was, for their times were of "the natural" ("and afterward the spiritual"). "However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual" (1 Corinthians 15:46). And the spiritual was and is unto the gentiles, and unto God, for "God is spirit". For which He also said, "So the last will be first, and the first last" (Matthew 20:16).

As a foreshadowing of things to come--even among the gentiles, many among the church would also not know that the coming of the Spirit was and is His return. Of which they too were not to be told until the times were fulfilled. This is that time.

The first shall be last - the Jews are the third day!

What did the disciples ask before his departure?

Recall it was a time question and a time answer...

 

[Fred J]

Dough, have a very strong point there, that no one can do anything to Jesus unless the FATHER in Heaven allows.

So they couldn't have Him crucified if His time had not come, for many times He escaped by divine intervention.

The fulfillment of the scriptures will indeed come to pass, and no one can a lay a hand on Him before His time.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

Another pointer brethren, this is what Jesus Himself said,

John 10:
17. Therefore doth My FATHER love Me, because I lay down My life, that I might take it again.
18. No man taketh it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have the power to lay it down, and I have the power to take it again. This commandment have I received of My FATHER.

Shalom in the name of Christ Jesus our Lord

 

[soberxp]

Another pointer brethren, this is what Jesus Himself said,

John 10:
17. Therefore doth My FATHER love Me, because I lay down My life, that I might take it again.
18. No man taketh it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have the power to lay it down, and I have the power to take it again. This commandment have I received of My FATHER.

Shalom in the name of Christ Jesus our Lord

Maybe those people who know that Jesus is the word of Christ, they will be crazy to test Jesus and stop Jesus' mission, They may even want to cross Jesus and think that Jesus may not be the Christ, And with all kinds of obstacles and temptations to prove that Jesus whether the Christ, you have to believe that some people can be crazy enough to have a split personality.

 

[ScottA]

The first shall be last - the Jews are the third day!

What did the disciples ask before his departure?

Recall it was a time question and a time answer...

No, Jesus had come for the house of Israel, and "It is finished" for them. After which He had an "other fold" (of the gentiles) He "must also bring", "tomorrow."

But "the third day" was when Jesus himself would "be perfected", meaning the time of his ascension...making the gentiles "first" by the Spirit, but "last" to come. "Each one in his own order", Israel before the fact, and the gentiles after the fact...all being crucified and raised up "with Christ"--"but each one in his own order."

Such is the truth from God after "time no longer." This is that time.

 

[Fred J]

Maybe those people who know that Jesus is the word of Christ, they will be crazy to test Jesus and stop Jesus' mission, They may even want to cross Jesus and think that Jesus may not be the Christ, And with all kinds of obstacles and temptations to prove that Jesus whether the Christ, you have to believe that some people can be crazy enough to have a split personality.

So, according to the New Testament scripture, what personality is said of them?

 

[soberxp]

So, according to the New Testament scripture, what personality is said of them?

23:28
Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

 

[Taken]

WHY DID JESUS SAY NOT TO MAKE HIM KNOWN?

I would say:
Same as with Simon Barjona, it Is Gods Authority, Place, to Reveal Jesus’ supernatural Identity to individuals.

Glory to God
Taken