Brakelite
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The same universal covenant that was made to all those who believe... To the Jew first and also even to New Zealanders.
Why do Catholics…
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Illuminator
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Then produce some evidence that "sola scriptura" existed in the early church. Here's a clue: there isn't any.
Yes, that is why the historic Church had councils, to refute heresies. You are forced to deny the legitimacy of all councils, which makes no sense.
SDA propaganda. The Apostles adopted Sunday as a sacred day because the Resurrection occurred on Sunday; too bad you don't know what "first day of the week" means.
False SDA history.
Yes, and you never identify ONE of them by name. Fictitious generalities don't cut it.
But you are complacent with the false prophetess Ellen G. White, and are afraid of historical context that support your headless chicken comments. You are forced to accept the distorted exaggerations of SDA false histories that don't make sense.
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Jim B
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So you're saying that the Catholic church follows the Old Testament sacrificial law. We agree -- for once.
Mark 12:33, "And to love him with all your heart, with all your mind, and with all your strength and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
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What if God said don’t make them?
What if the very thing God said to NOT make, and a man does, and then puts it a Church “supposedly” dedicated to God?
How’s that sound? You like? You think that a good idea?
Good to keep to local church simplicity in its activities: Acts 2.42....."And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."
Maybe not in your book, but in the Holy Bible...
Jews are mentioned over 370 times.
Gentiles are mentioned over 150 times.
Seems we have different books from which we derive the Truth.
Not news. Not disputed. It’s called joined.
I am Joined IN Christ Jesus’ Church.
You are Joined IN the Catholic’s Church.
heresy is treason against God!
And treason is punishable by death.
I don’t have a church, only Christ has authority to found the one true church on Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18 eph 2:20
the is the word of God, but never the Bible alone, and not limited to 66 books.
The word of God is not limited to scripture alone.
the church existed before the New Testament.
The church Exercised the authority of Christ before the NT was penned.
the church wrote the NT.
Only the church has authority to say what is and what is not scripture and approve translations.
Dan 13 for example.
salvation by grace thru faith and sacraments.
Mk 16:16
faith and works (prayer, penance, practice of virtue, fasting, alms)
1 cor 13:2 Phil 1:29 James 2
Jesus is the only savior and mediator but all graces come thru Mary.
we believe in the power of the risen Lord and the spirit but must conform to the passion death crucifixion and precious blood until He returns. Gal 3:1
second coming not rapture
priesthood of Christians: royal priesthood but also the low priests of the order of melchisedec of which Christ is high priest
believers are only catechumens and not Christians
Faith and baptism are required for Christians Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38
Brakelite
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Please, carefully define your meaning of each noun in that post so as to communicate your meaning as correctly as possible:
universal:
catholic:
covenant:
Thank you!
no that was the livitical priesthood
we offer the New Testament sacrifice of Christ
low priests under Christ the high priest in the order of melchisedec
are images forbidden?
no that was decided by a council of the holy church in the 8th century against the iconoclastim
Images are not forbidden, such as the cherubim on the ark of the covenant exod 25:18 and the bronze serpent num 21:9 and Jn 3:14 are not forbidden but even commanded, graven or worshiped as a god then these images are forbidden such as the golden calf!
Bowing down or posture does not equal worship or adoration!
Worship requires intent!
You must have the intent to worship God properly!
Worship requires intent, offering of sacrifice, a ordained priesthood, adoration, reparation, thanksgiving, and petition!
Bowing or posture does not equal worship! Kneeling next to your bed to pray is that worshiping your bed?
Genesis 23:12
And Abraham bowed down himself before the people of the land.
Genesis 42:6
And Joseph was the governor over the land, and he it was that sold to all the people of the land: and Joseph's brethren came, and bowed down themselves before him with their faces to the earth.
Bowing a sign of obedience!
Genesis 43:28
And they answered, Thy servant our father is in good health, he is yet alive. And they bowed down their heads, and made obeisance.
1 Kings 1:53
So king Solomon sent, and they brought him down from the altar. And he came and bowed himself to king Solomon: and Solomon said unto him, Go to thine house.
1 Kings 2:19
Bathsheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her
If you kneel next to your bed to say your prayers at night are you worshiping your bed? No!
I have been a catholic all my life and I’m 60 and I have never worshiped Mary or the saints or a statute!
Reverence, veneration, love and devotion yes! Worship no!
Imitation of the the life and virtues of the saints! Yes a husband and father should imitate Saint Joseph, his life of godliness and virtue, patience and obedience and faithfulness! The family should imitate the holy family of Nazareth!
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